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Has a ski shop messed up your mount?

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cydwhit
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Thinking about writing about ski shops and how unacceptable it is that they mess up ski mounts so much. Has this happened to you? If so, how did they mess up, and how did they go about making their mistake right with you? And have you noticed a difference between local ski shops and big box stores?
Dec 7 2020 7:20PM
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overweightmastr
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https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/920788/Local-shop-vs-sportcheck.
Dec 7 2020 7:31PM
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Bended_Toenail
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I know a guy who used to work at my shop that was stoned and mounted a pivot toepiece backward on one ski and mounted the entire other ski (Volkl Mantra) at +13. He was "encouraged to quit".

At the bigger shops in my town I've heard that they mostly just mount wherever they think is best for the ski, without taking into consideration the skiers preference.
Dec 7 2020 7:37PM
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eheath
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Are you even a park skier if your mount hasn't gotten messed up/been scorned by shop techs for wanting certain mounts?

**This post was edited on Dec 7th 2020 at 7:43:22pm
Dec 7 2020 7:43PM
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Casey
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I brought my skis in to get mounted and I went to all the trouble to mark out with a sharpie and masking tape how I wanted the midsole line mounted, who was like up at core center give or take- and they mounted them way back at recommended. I was like wtf is this?! And the cashier was like oh well I’m sure it will be fine but our tech isn’t in again until next week.

I was like well this was the 3rd set of holes in this skis so thanks for fucking me. I had prepaid and was set to leave on a trip the next morning so I just put up with it and didn’t shed a tear when they went out of business. 🤷‍♂️
Dec 7 2020 7:46PM
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wyld_stallyns
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When I got my last park skis mounted I specifically told them I wanted a center mount. They didn't mess it up just straight up refused to. I was like wtf, I'll just go somewhere else then. Course the only other ski shop in the area was closed and I needed them mounted for the next day, so I had to just go back to the first place and bite the bullet. Dumbest ski shop experience I've ever had
Dec 7 2020 7:50PM
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LogoWart
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just put mine in to get center mounted like 5 min ago so wish me luck
Dec 7 2020 7:53PM
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theabortionator
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LogoWartjust put mine in to get center mounted like 5 min ago so wish me luck


Fingers crossed for you my dude
Dec 7 2020 7:59PM
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LogoWart
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theabortionatorFingers crossed for you my dude


thanks g
Dec 7 2020 8:01PM
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hi_vis360
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I've never had a shop mess up my mount but I still get nervous every time. Just got my new skis mounted at +2cm of rec and was so relieved to get them back properly done.
Dec 7 2020 8:08PM
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twerkphone64
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Is this more of a Midwest/east coast thing?
Dec 7 2020 8:09PM
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dant02
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the key to dealing with retards who don’t understand simple instruction is to tell them like 50 times you want your skis mounted at true center and tape something to the skis that says mount at true center.
Dec 7 2020 8:10PM
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cydwhit
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moist_velvetIs this more of a Midwest/east coast thing?

Nah, happens like crazy in the Tetons as well. Have even seen custom skis get messed up.
Dec 7 2020 8:16PM
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g_mort
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Had a brand new pair mounted a couple season back - one toe piece was a whole 1/2 inch too far forward. This was at the resort shop, I assumed they were pretty competent there. Guess I was wrong.
Dec 7 2020 9:08PM
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KCoCM
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moist_velvetIs this more of a Midwest/east coast thing?


The only issue ive ever had was in Frisco CO lol

The shop didnt do anything for me except for get a bad review on google, which is the first review ive ever left about a company, cuz I didnt find out they drilled my skis twice until 1-2 seasons later
Dec 7 2020 9:14PM
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CENTORE
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my local shop is notoriously biased against anything park/freestyle related..eg doesn’t carry full tilt anymore “because of durability problems”, tried to tell me a set of GOODE poles I was buying didn’t come with straps “because they were park poles”, borderline refuses to center mount, etc... Luckily the tech at the local hill is an absolute G so he gets all my work instead
Dec 7 2020 10:25PM
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profa_212
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I bought a jigarex and its the best decision I've made.

Worth it if you go through skis or buy/sell a ton. Or if you have a couple buddies that go in on it with you.
Dec 7 2020 10:26PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Does improper adjustment count? Two pairs of shifts with both forward pressure and AFD height way off, and a pair of attack 16s.

I always use masking tape and measure + mark, even if I'm mounting at recommended, mostly just to double check the marks are the same on both skis though.
Dec 7 2020 10:59PM
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katrina
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Jigarex. Works pretty good, for those who have the means to buy it and ability to use it properly it's 100% worth it.
Dec 7 2020 11:13PM
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elm.
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Never had mainly cause I usually mount them myself with a paper jig because it's easy, free, and faster than a shop. I usually practice on a 2x4 beforehand which settles my nerves and reduces mistakes.

When I have brought them to the shop I always end up having a ten minute conversation with the tech to make sure they know exactly what I'm asking for.
Dec 7 2020 11:37PM
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lil.Boye
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Backmounted 2 pairs on different occasions
Dec 8 2020 3:28AM
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anders_a
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quite a few times, hence I mount my own, now I messed up myself recently, new jig, which was off, and so was topsheet! damnit!

my local big box had a pretty insane deal during spring time, basicly 10 cent SPX 12 with 200USD enforcer, so I jumped on it, yeah... way different heal adjustments to get forward pressure right, not a big thing, but.. yeah meh

The Jigarex is pretty cool, but has a few drawbacks, it doesnt flex with ski profile, so depending on camber profile and ski width, you will need to put a piece of flatbar at each end, to get proper centering.

Also the holes sit up high, and are floating.



With that said I have mounted a ton of skis with jigarex. but for like a CAST freetour toe with inserts I'll take a normal pivot jig


I think my favorite was a pair of skis I went 2 different places with, and BOTH mounted them on wrong lines, even I had a damn note taped to each ski, and the line drawn with permanent marker on topsheet AND sidewall. The instruction for 2nd mount was "if there is hole overlap or issues, go forward"... so yeah I got the BC100s mounted +1 instead of +4 or +5 for some reason, with that instruction. Note also said please call me! (didnt have jig for shifts)

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 4:34:58am
Dec 8 2020 4:28AM
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hi_vis360
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CENTOREmy local shop is notoriously biased against anything park/freestyle related..eg doesn’t carry full tilt anymore “because of durability problems”, tried to tell me a set of GOODE poles I was buying didn’t come with straps “because they were park poles”, borderline refuses to center mount, etc... Luckily the tech at the local hill is an absolute G so he gets all my work instead


To be fair a lot of the old full tilts did have durability issues. The buckles would just fly off those things. And you don't need a park boot to ski park.
Dec 8 2020 6:01AM
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WisconsinDogfart
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Have you or a loved one had your skis fucked up by a stoned/retarded shop tech? You may be entitled to a FREE PAIR OF SKIS! Call the NS BlueName Legal Team at 1-800-956-1042, we will fight for you.
Dec 8 2020 8:07AM
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jjdsteeze
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Back in HS had two friends take their new skis into the shop at the same time and the shop swapped the bindings so each person had the other persons bindings mounted on their skis. The only solution offered was a remount to put the correct bindings on the skis they should have been on initially.
Dec 8 2020 8:14AM
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partyandBS
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I wanna be part of this complaining thread but everytime i get a mount im stuck with some competent ass shredder who asks me if i want them mounted suggested or if i want true center or if i have a specific preference.

I wish they would just fuck up so i could be cool on the internet and trash their profession.
Dec 8 2020 8:36AM
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ericforman
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I’ve only been to bentgate recently and as far as I can tell they never mess up, call you if there are any possible idiosyncrasies to your mount, and generally do a spectacular job.
Dec 8 2020 8:51AM
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CatdickBojangles
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Shop ran a screw too far on my hellbents and left a dimple on the base, barely noticeable but still.
Dec 8 2020 8:53AM
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anders_a
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how is that even possible? didnt drill deep enough? didnt clear out hole?
Dec 8 2020 8:58AM
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piss.boy
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One time when I bought new skis my dad mounted them for me for christmas(hes a rental technician) and instead of using my better bindings from my last pair he used a pair of spare rentals...
Dec 8 2020 9:14AM
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katrina
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anders_ahow is that even possible? didnt drill deep enough? didnt clear out hole?


Never underestimate someone's ability to fuck your shit up
Dec 8 2020 9:43AM
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anders_a
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katrinaNever underestimate someone's ability to fuck your shit up


My current job is as CTO, I've seen so much stupid stuff its amazing, I was just wondering how you would do it from a technical perspective ;)



The people I manage give me all sorts of interesting scenarioes.
Dec 8 2020 10:13AM
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cydwhit
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Guy_SkiOne time when I bought new skis my dad mounted them for me for christmas(hes a rental technician) and instead of using my better bindings from my last pair he used a pair of spare rentals...


This is one of the most brutal abs hilarious things I’ve ever read on this website. Thank you for sharing.
Dec 8 2020 10:17AM
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AJ.Normand
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They could’ve fucked it up if he has a really big boot on a smaller ski. This would mean on the heel piece if you screw through it would be on a thinner part of the ski. There for causing the dimples.
anders_aMy current job is as CTO, I've seen so much stupid stuff its amazing, I was just wondering how you would do it from a technical perspective ;)



The people I manage give me all sorts of interesting scenarioes.
Dec 8 2020 10:18AM
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No.Quarter
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I've had a couple of skis where they didn't chamfer the hole and there is a little bit of volcano-ing causing the binding to be lifted off the ski a couple mm. Never worth actually making them fix it as it doesn't really have a noticeable affect and the only time it was really bad I just unscrewed the bindings, removed the excess material, and carefully re-installed with wood glue. Also have had a mount where the holes were either not pre-drilled deep enough or not cleaned out before installing the screws causing a little bit of mounding showing at the base material, but they were rock skis so I just dealt with it myself.

Pretty shitty how common ski mount fuckups are when a mount is $50-$75 at most shops. I mount skis myself now with paper templates.
Dec 8 2020 10:41AM
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cydwhit
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That's a solid record!

And to be clear, I think it's generally the shop's fault, not necessarily a specific tech's fault. For some reason the whole infrastructure is not as dialed as it should be.
Dec 8 2020 10:44AM
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Emma_Watson
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before u complain to your shop about your vishnu wacks 154cm being mounted a few cm back remember to specify to your tech whether you want "true" and "core" center.

oh shit? There's more than one type of center mount? comment section on instagram just told me to tell the scary basement ski tech man to ask for center mount and i'll be a better skier. okay so whats the difference?

True center means 50% of the ski is to the front of your binding and 50% of ski is behind your binding. This is good for symmetrical skis where you want the ski to be perfectly balanced.

Core center is the center of the skis carving arc / the center of the sidecut. If the ski is non symmetrical core center will be a bit further back from the true dead center of the ski - imo you will be able to carve better / have a better feel and traction of the snow and your skis turning radius at the core center of the ski.

from my experience working in shops - if you don't specify that you want true center mounts the tech will air on the side of caution and mount core center, or towards the factory recommended mounting position.


gear and tech heads correct me if i'm wrong + add ur wisdom

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 10:58:47am
Dec 8 2020 10:46AM
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GayWolf420
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been thankful in this regard to work with shops locally who do good work for us and our ski team kids. Only time I had issues at my local shop was with a newer inexperienced ski tech who fucked up a remount on a pair of skis i needed to change out the pivots on and went a size too small and my heel didn't fit in binding at all. It was an "oh shit" moment for them when he eventually realized it as I was picking the skis up but he felt terrible. No need for scolding him cuz the dude he works under that I normally get stuff mounted with probably gave him a good talking too on how not to fuck up. Wasn't a massive deal for me cuz they were a used pair of skis mostly but I can imagine some Dad from Dallas or racer parents absolutely coming unglued on those guys for that.
Dec 8 2020 10:51AM
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No.Quarter
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mystery3Does improper adjustment count? Two pairs of shifts with both forward pressure and AFD height way off, and a pair of attack 16s.

I always use masking tape and measure + mark, even if I'm mounting at recommended, mostly just to double check the marks are the same on both skis though.


The last time I got skis mounted in a shop they didn't adjust the AFD height and I didn't notice until I was standing on top of the ridge and could rock my toe up and down in the binding, made it down the sketchy early season chute and got to a bench with a screwdriver and saw that the FP was incorrect as well.
Dec 8 2020 10:52AM
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cydwhit
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Emma_Watsonbefore u complain to your shop about your vishnu wacks 154cm being mounted a few cm back remember to specify to your tech whether you want "true" and "core" center.
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gear and tech heads correct me if i'm wrong + add ur wisdom

**This post was edited on Dec 8th 2020 at 10:58:47am


Sorta. This used to be way more of a thing, but shouldn't ever have been. If you ask for a center mount, that always means "true" center. Put the line in the middle of your boot over the line in the middle of the ski. Ski brands will often mark what you're calling "core" center as the "recommended" line. Which, also, don't trust markings on topsheets, only trust lines on sidewalls, topsheets can shift and be inaccurate. I had a pair of icelantics where the topsheet marks were 1.5 cm off from each other on the two skis.

It only should get complicated if you're asking for a mount in front of or behind either of those lines, then you need to specify which line you want to measure off of. Either way, it's on you, as the customer, to clearly mark on the ski where you want the middle of your boot. What's wild to me is when people do that and still get messed up mounts.
Dec 8 2020 11:21AM
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j_oski
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Bought my first pair of park skis as a young lad, took em to the local ski shop and asked to have them mounted core center. Ya know, because they're park skis. They mounted them somewhere around -5 behind the center of the ski, not super ideal for a park ski. I had never gotten skis mounted before so I was a little naive and didn't say anything, ended up having to pay to get them remounted correctly.

In terms of local/big box stores, can't say I notice much of a difference when it comes to mounting/tuning skis in my experience. Local stores are more inclined to give you some deals if you go in there alot, plus I think its important to support local, but it does seem like big box stores have their stuff figured out more when it comes to processing orders and general business professionalism.
Dec 8 2020 11:25AM
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j_oski
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cydwhitNah, happens like crazy in the Tetons as well. Have even seen custom skis get messed up.


Yep ^ my mounting misshap happened in driggs
Dec 8 2020 11:28AM
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hoodratz47
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Yes. Had one boot mounted center an the other 2cm back. I was pissed. But I was young and I just let them re drill it . Looking back I should have demanded a new set of skis.
Dec 8 2020 11:30AM
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Emma_Watson
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cydwhitEither way, it's on you, as the customer, to clearly mark on the ski where you want the middle of your boot. What's wild to me is when people do that and still get messed up mounts.


this
Dec 8 2020 11:31AM
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CENTORE
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pinkcamo1000To be fair a lot of the old full tilts did have durability issues. The buckles would just fly off those things. And you don't need a park boot to ski park.


You're totally right, and i mean as my 85+ year old grampa is fond of saying it's not the arrow it's the Indian. Those were just a few examples of comments I've heard over the years. Told my younger cousin a couple weeks ago he wouldn't be able to hit rails if he got head attack bindings.
Dec 8 2020 11:47AM
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Burrito
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A few years ago I moved to a town (Santa Cruz, CA) with a single shop that I absolutely do not trust with my gear. It's one of those weird, bargain-basement spots that sells patio furniture in the summer. With no other option I did my first paper template self-mount that season. It's a little nerve racking at first, but at the end of the day it's not that hard...and you'll only have yourself to blame if you fuck it up.
Dec 8 2020 12:15PM
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WisconsinDogfart
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Go to ERIKs. mine called me asking if i wanted my honeybadgers center or recomended. they did a great job mounting the binding too, no volcanoeing.
Dec 8 2020 12:22PM
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yhprum1720
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No.QuarterI've had a couple of skis where they didn't chamfer the hole and there is a little bit of volcano-ing causing the binding to be lifted off the ski a couple mm.


This has happened to me too. It makes me nervous, epecially on Pivots (which have a short mouting pattern), that the binding being further off the ski can get more leverage and create more torque on the screws and possibly pull out easier. I did get it fixed for free but not without hearing a bunch of grumbling and explanations about "mm level tolerances" and whatnot
Dec 8 2020 12:59PM
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wyld_stallyns
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Can someone sticky this as the official "Messed of Binding Mount" thread? Been seeing so many different threads about this
Dec 8 2020 1:41PM
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iced
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wyld_stallynsWhen I got my last park skis mounted I specifically told them I wanted a center mount. They didn't mess it up just straight up refused to. I was like wtf, I'll just go somewhere else then. Course the only other ski shop in the area was closed and I needed them mounted for the next day, so I had to just go back to the first place and bite the bullet. Dumbest ski shop experience I've ever had


it would be hilarious if they were a high cost pair of racing skis
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