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Also OP I think you will get different responses in March/April if you started the same post and were like 'this season has sucked fat ass VT says I shouldn't come still but is it worth it to drive to Killy.'
Yeah def stay in your state man. I know mass skiing is overpriced and really not that great, but priorities dawg. Next szn and more importantly, people's lives are at risk from this pandemic. Everyone's gotta get over themselves and just hunker down til this shit is over
animatorYeah apparently I’m xenophobic (again, not the correct term anyway) because I think that people should be taking things a little bit more seriously
Seriously? This silly virus is one of the biggest jokes played in human history
The Killington parking lot is around 80% out of state plates every day, if OP did drive up its just another drop in the bucket.
Its good to see that they are actually enforcing masks in the lift line now, earlier in the week half the people didn't have one on or have it on correctly and now they have workers making sure everyone is wearing one the right way. Hopefully the masks will be enough, because Killington clearly isn't going to turn away paying customers no matter where they're coming from
My brother told me his friend saw folks at Baker talking back to staff asking them to social distance... makes my fucking blood boil, imagine being able to go skiing after last season got cut short and having the gall not to follow the simplest asks that help mountains stay open
Half the restaurants at Sugarloaf (non mtn owned) are now closed or take out only because someone who was positive (and rumor has it knew about it and came anyways) came up and ate at a few places. So much for them making money.
If the mountains were that desperate for out of state money they simply wouldn't have opened. They've run the numbers. (hence why lift tickets are now $120 to compensate)
a_burgerHalf the restaurants at Sugarloaf (non mtn owned) are now closed or take out only because someone who was positive (and rumor has it knew about it and came anyways) came up and ate at a few places. So much for them making money.
If the mountains were that desperate for out of state money they simply wouldn't have opened. They've run the numbers. (hence why lift tickets are now $120 to compensate)
I’ve said it already but resorts aren’t making money this season anyway because of the capacity limits and lodge/restaurant closures. They’re doing the best they can in a very difficult situation to deliver a safe experience, which is not easy.
wyld_stallynsFor real man? tell that to the 265k people who lost their lives to this "joke"
I get that it’s incredibly unfortunate, but look man, it’s time to move on. In the same way it’s unfortunate To die of the flu or any other diseases the fact is it is statistically improbable
galardogodI get that it’s incredibly unfortunate, but look man, it’s time to move on. In the same way it’s unfortunate To die of the flu or any other diseases the fact is it is statistically improbable
It took the US 98 days to reach its first million positive cases. 1 million new cases have been reported in the last 6 days bringing the total to 13.2 million. its not unfortunate. its fucking absurdly idiotic. now is not the time to move on
yes, there may only be a 0.02% chance you could die from it
but guess what fuckhead, 0.02% of over 13 mil is still a shit ton of people. you cannot diminish the tragedy of thousands of needless deaths to "unfortunate" cuz you wanna ski
It is entirely possible to think it is not a 'hoax' and still think the response is incredibly dumb - which includes restrictions on interstate travel.
You don't end AIDS with abstinence education just like you don't 'end' COVID by closing small businesses and schools. You don't 'follow' science, like it is a religion.
People can and should make their own assessment of risks and make their own choices. If you want to go to Killington, you are more than free to do so. There is absolutely zero enforcement of ANY of these polices. Don't tell people what you're doing. Do what you want. As long as you wear a mask in grocery stores, people like you are satisfied and don't bother people like me.
skiindianaIt is entirely possible to think it is not a 'hoax' and still think the response is incredibly dumb - which includes restrictions on interstate travel.
You don't end AIDS with abstinence education just like you don't 'end' COVID by closing small businesses and schools. You don't 'follow' science, like it is a religion.
People can and should make their own assessment of risks and make their own choices. If you want to go to Killington, you are more than free to do so. There is absolutely zero enforcement of ANY of these polices. Don't tell people what you're doing. Do what you want. As long as you wear a mask in grocery stores, people like you are satisfied and don't bother people like me.
A large reason this ski season is ruined and will likely continue to be ruined is self-righteous asses such as yourself. for once in your life try to have some empathy for those affected by this pandemic
I don't even know how to respond to anything you said as it is just too retarded and if you genuinely believe the things you said, there is literally nothing that will help you understand just how idiotic and harmful you are
Freedom is important but when your freedom jeopardizes the health and safety of others, it is no longer a viable reason to act like an absolute cunt (excuse my language but couldn't find a better fitting word)
skiindianaIt is entirely possible to think it is not a 'hoax' and still think the response is incredibly dumb - which includes restrictions on interstate travel.
You don't end AIDS with abstinence education just like you don't 'end' COVID by closing small businesses and schools. You don't 'follow' science, like it is a religion.
People can and should make their own assessment of risks and make their own choices. If you want to go to Killington, you are more than free to do so. There is absolutely zero enforcement of ANY of these polices. Don't tell people what you're doing. Do what you want. As long as you wear a mask in grocery stores, people like you are satisfied and don't bother people like me.
This exactly, that is what I am referring to as the biggest joke (the response) . I understand the virus is real, I work in a testing facility believe me, I see it and am around it all the time. But at the end of the day people should be solely responsible for their own risk management, which statistically it is improbable that they will be harmed as afore mentioned. It is awful that people die. I understand that and I wish it didn’t have to happen. I really do wish this thing would just go away. I wish the flu would go away and cancer and AIDS . But unfortunately that simply may not ever happen. So why live your life in a restricted way for the foreseeable future? Protect those at risk , and just move on . We are getting closer to that point in the general public to be honest. People still traveled in mass numbers for thanksgiving, the mall was packed on Black Friday. I really do think people are over it.
wyld_stallynsA large reason this ski season is ruined and will likely continue to be ruined is self-righteous asses such as yourself. for once in your life try to have some empathy for those affected by this pandemic
I don't even know how to respond to anything you said as it is just too retarded and if you genuinely believe the things you said, there is literally nothing that will help you understand just how idiotic and harmful you are
Freedom is important but when your freedom jeopardizes the health and safety of others, it is no longer a viable reason to act like an absolute cunt (excuse my language but couldn't find a better fitting word)
Nah, you're just creating scapegoats without any evidence.
Life is full of risks. If you don't understand the risks of COVID after 10 months of non-stop coverage, then that your own fault. I am not saying you 'should' be free to make your own choices, I'm saying none of this is being enforced whatsoever. Because of this, people ARE free to make their own choices.
Have some empathy for the people killed by car crashes, that killed more people under 55 than COVID this year. Don't drive anywhere and just sit in your home until I tell you it is acceptable to go outside right?
No one is forced to go to Killington to go ski, especially people who are high-risk, and literally no one will stop you if you just act normal and do your own thing. Outdoor transmission is unlikely. Do you own thing. I have no interest in people like you who are generally focused on things that don't matter, like bitching about masks in grocery stores where transmission is unlikely while hanging out maskless in high-risk environments with people you know when convenient...
galardogodThis exactly, that is what I am referring to as the biggest joke (the response) . I understand the virus is real, I work in a testing facility believe me, I see it and am around it all the time. But at the end of the day people should be solely responsible for their own risk management, which statistically it is improbable that they will be harmed as afore mentioned. It is awful that people die. I understand that and I wish it didn’t have to happen. I really do wish this thing would just go away. I wish the flu would go away and cancer and AIDS . But unfortunately that simply may not ever happen. So why live your life in a restricted way for the foreseeable future? Protect those at risk , and just move on . We are getting closer to that point in the general public to be honest. People still traveled in mass numbers for thanksgiving, the mall was packed on Black Friday. I really do think people are over it.
Yep, I agree. Earlier I was trying to convince people. Now I've realized the only thing to do is just go back to normal yourself and ignore the rest. Everyone I know who is 'following the rules' or 'being careful' hangs out with friends and family indoors for hours without masks or any precautions... People who say they are being careful are doing the exact opposite in the highest risk environment. Clearly most people are not afraid. I also 'follow the rules' but on this site I'm a bad person because talk shit about the response. They care about having you think like them, not the actual actions.
Aside from everything else, this nonsense is unenforceable - other than closing businesses with fines. I think businesses need to practice more civil disobedience and I happily have tried to support the ones that do. For individuals though, just wear a mask when required and do whatever you want otherwise. These are not laws passed by any legislative body and they only exists to satisfy people who want to control others.
skiindianaYep, I agree. Earlier I was trying to convince people. Now I've realized the only thing to do is just go back to normal yourself and ignore the rest. Everyone I know who is 'following the rules' or 'being careful' hangs out with friends and family indoors for hours without masks or any precautions... People who say they are being careful are doing the exact opposite in the highest risk environment. Clearly most people are not afraid. I also 'follow the rules' but on this site I'm a bad person because talk shit about the response. They care about having you think like them, not the actual actions.
Aside from everything else, this nonsense is unenforceable - other than closing businesses with fines. I think businesses need to practice more civil disobedience and I happily have tried to support the ones that do. For individuals though, just wear a mask when required and do whatever you want otherwise. These are not laws passed by any legislative body and they only exists to satisfy people who want to control others.
wow. fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you.
I am done dealing with people like you. Please don’t take it seriously, let’s just hope that 0.02% shows you your mistake
Organguawow. fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you.
I am done dealing with people like you. Please don’t take it seriously, let’s just hope that 0.02% shows you your mistake
I know man. People thinking differently than you is cause to wish death on others... Totally acceptable and commendable behavior.
If you don't want to get COVID, stay home. This is an endemic. The facts about who is at risk is clear. People can do what they want, because again, none of this nonsense is enforced. People like you decided masks in grocery stores were the hill to die on. The majority of people are doing what they want otherwise.
skiindianaI know man. People thinking differently than you is cause to wish death on others... Totally acceptable and commendable behavior.
If you don't want to get COVID, stay home. This is an endemic. The facts about who is at risk is clear. People can do what they want, because again, none of this nonsense is enforced. People like you decided masks in grocery stores were the hill to die on. The majority of people are doing what they want otherwise.
just stay home man. please don’t make it harder for our country. we’ve already had more than enough
Look, I don’t give a fuck if you feel like it’s unfair, it is. It’s most unfair to Vermont... the guidelines here are so strict right now you’re not suppose to hangout with anyone outside your household except 1 person distanced in an outdoor setting. Shit is out of control everywhere rn and traveling across boarders for a day for your own pleasure isn’t okay when there’s so much covid everywhere and there’s no easy way to know if you have it. I just got back from school in Montana and I drove cross country with no stops for food, bathrooms, etc. all I did was got gas and stayed in my car... now I’m quarantined in VT, not skiing, with hopes I can soon. Please stay the fuck away unless you listen to the guidelines. They’re unfair and fucked up but especially out of state you need to respect that because it’s ruining it for everyone living here.
dwt802Look, I don’t give a fuck if you feel like it’s unfair, it is. It’s most unfair to Vermont... the guidelines here are so strict right now you’re not suppose to hangout with anyone outside your household except 1 person distanced in an outdoor setting. Shit is out of control everywhere rn and traveling across boarders for a day for your own pleasure isn’t okay when there’s so much covid everywhere and there’s no easy way to know if you have it. I just got back from school in Montana and I drove cross country with no stops for food, bathrooms, etc. all I did was got gas and stayed in my car... now I’m quarantined in VT, not skiing, with hopes I can soon. Please stay the fuck away unless you listen to the guidelines. They’re unfair and fucked up but especially out of state you need to respect that because it’s ruining it for everyone living here.
EVERYONE I'M BEING VERY REASONABLE! PLEASE STAY IN YOUR HOME AND DO NOT TRAVEL EVER! THERE IS COVID EVERYWHERE! I'M HEALTHY AND YOUNG BUT MY OBSESSION IS JUSTIFIED!
skiindianaEVERYONE I'M BEING VERY REASONABLE! PLEASE STAY IN YOUR HOME AND DO NOT TRAVEL EVER! THERE IS COVID EVERYWHERE! I'M HEALTHY AND YOUNG BUT MY OBSESSION IS JUSTIFIED!
Nah man, you're just living in pure hysteria. If you're afraid of spreading the virus, stay inside. If you're afraid of getting ill from COVID, seek out a mental health professional. Imagine someone acting this why about the flu, for which you're at a higher risk.
If you want to ban people from coming into a state, feel free to pass a law. It'll be stuck down as unconstitutional.
We're 10 months into this. The risks are clear. Do whatever you want and stop trying to control other people.
skiindianaNah man, you're just living in pure hysteria. If you're afraid of spreading the virus, stay inside. If you're afraid of getting ill from COVID, seek out a mental health professional. Imagine someone acting this why about the flu, for which you're at a higher risk.
If you want to ban people from coming into a state, feel free to pass a law. It'll be stuck down as unconstitutional.
We're 10 months into this. The risks are clear. Do whatever you want and stop trying to control other people.
bruh. nobody is afraid of actually getting ill from covid, unless they're high-risk, in which case they should be scared cuz jackasses like you have zero empathy and cannot act while thinking of the well-being of others. you think its a personal decision to stay in or not, but its not personal when it affects all these other people
wyld_stallynsbruh. nobody is afraid of actually getting ill from covid, unless they're high-risk, in which case they should be scared cuz jackasses like you have zero empathy and cannot act while thinking of the well-being of others. you think its a personal decision to stay in or not, but its not personal when it affects all these other people
stop being wack
Nah, again, you gotta stop living in hysteria. We're 10 months in, this is not week one.
You cannot reasonably expect people to limit travel between states for 10 months. If that is your strategy, you will always fail. People have free will and they're going to do what they do. These things are not laws and they will never become laws.
If people are high-risk hanging out at a ski resort, do you know what that means? They decided they are going to do what they want. They have accepted life as including risk. You expect people who are 60 to spend a year hiding indoors? That's potentially 5-10% of their remaining life...
You people have giant expectations of people to change their behavior for months and months and months. This kind of policy is stupid and makes no sense. See you on the slopes!
skiindianaNah man, you're just living in pure hysteria. If you're afraid of spreading the virus, stay inside. If you're afraid of getting ill from COVID, seek out a mental health professional. Imagine someone acting this why about the flu, for which you're at a higher risk.
If you want to ban people from coming into a state, feel free to pass a law. It'll be stuck down as unconstitutional.
We're 10 months into this. The risks are clear. Do whatever you want and stop trying to control other people.
Oh how ironic it would be if you break your leg real bad while skiing and get denied at the hospital because it is over capacity resulting in an infection that ultimately leads to death. If the healthcare system is overloaded it does not end well for anyone in need of care.
skiindianaNah man, you're just living in pure hysteria. If you're afraid of spreading the virus, stay inside. If you're afraid of getting ill from COVID, seek out a mental health professional. Imagine someone acting this why about the flu, for which you're at a higher risk.
If you want to ban people from coming into a state, feel free to pass a law. It'll be stuck down as unconstitutional.
We're 10 months into this. The risks are clear. Do whatever you want and stop trying to control other people.
we’re not hysterical, we’re actually just calmly following the fucking rules
DrailOh how ironic it would be if you break your leg real bad while skiing and get denied at the hospital because it is over capacity resulting in an infection that ultimately leads to death. If the healthcare system is overloaded it does not end well for anyone in need of care.
Well not a single patient in the united states has been denied care due to 'overloaded' hospitals.
But yeah, wishing ill on others is totally not hysteria.
The point is, I'm already right. People are doing their thing. 1 million people per day are flying all over the country. The nonsense already lost.
doomquasarwe’re not hysterical, we’re actually just calmly following the fucking rules
Well lots of people are not, so continuing to scream about 'stay home' or 'get out of my state' is just complete and total nonsense. People are not following the bullshit.
Makeup whatever rules you want. You have hysterical expectations of people though. No country in the world is just staying at home or 'stopping the spread'. That was never going to happen.
Not accounting for human behavior is your problem. Not the problem of other people.
@skiindiana the point is that ur opinion does not matter. Regardless of what you believe, if covid continues to worsen, ski areas will be forced to close. Simple as that. If we all want to be able to ski past Christmas this season, it's in ur best interest to stay home. even if you probably will not become severely ill if you catch covid. even if you really want to go skiing. I can't tell you what to do, but if you want to ski more than three shitty days on the white ribbon of death, you should probably stay home. If all the mountains close in three weeks, you have nobody to blame but yourself and others participating in similar behavior.
dant02@skiindiana the point is that ur opinion does not matter. Regardless of what you believe, if covid continues to worsen, ski areas will be forced to close. Simple as that. If we all want to be able to ski past Christmas this season, it's in ur best interest to stay home. even if you probably will not become severely ill if you catch covid. even if you really want to go skiing. I can't tell you what to do, but if you want to ski more than three shitty days on the white ribbon of death, you should probably stay home. If all the mountains close in three weeks, you have nobody to blame but yourself and others participating in similar behavior.
My point is your opinion doesn't matter either. These are not laws and people are not following them. This is absolutely the case and will continue to be, not matter what you say. You cannot have public policy that doesn't account for human behavior. People are not going to follow arbitrary nonsense for months and months and months.
All this doesn't even account for the fact that skiing has literally nothing to do with spreading COVID, but hey I live in a place with an outdoor mask mandate. Science!
Also I ski BC and resort so if you wanna follow the governor dictatorship more power to you
skiindianaMy point is your opinion doesn't matter either. These are not laws and people are not following them. This is absolutely the case and will continue to be, not matter what you say. You cannot have public policy that doesn't account for human behavior. People are not going to follow arbitrary nonsense for months and months and months.
All this doesn't even account for the fact that skiing has literally nothing to do with spreading COVID, but hey I live in a place with an outdoor mask mandate. Science!
Also I ski BC and resort so if you wanna follow the governor dictatorship more power to you
I would agree that skiing has very little to do with the spread of covid, the one instance of skiing being a covid spreader I can think of is a crowded lift line, a situation that can be easily avoided if resorts are smart.
however, breaking could guidelines, regardless of their effectiveness is very short-sighted. this will only be met with repercussions from state governments, especially in ski states (run by democrats primarily). I would be willing to bet that people who break travel guidelines are more likely to break covid guidelines in other, more effective areas.
I guess what I am trying to say is, regardless if ski areas spread covid or not, they will be shut down if covid gets any worse or state regulations are clearly being broken at ski resorts. therefore, it is in the best interest of society, specifically everyone who wants to ski at a ski area, if everyone just follows the rules.
technically, you are correct. executive orders from governors are not technically laws. however, they are still enforced, hence why you get a ticket rather than going to jail for breaking covid guidelines.
if you ski in the BC all season this year, you are clearly not part of the problem and nobody ought to get pissed off at you.
how do you suggest we weigh both personal freedoms and societal health risks?
dant02I would agree that skiing has very little to do with the spread of covid, the one instance of skiing being a covid spreader I can think of is a crowded lift line, a situation that can be easily avoided if resorts are smart.
however, breaking could guidelines, regardless of their effectiveness is very short-sighted. this will only be met with repercussions from state governments, especially in ski states (run by democrats primarily). I would be willing to bet that people who break travel guidelines are more likely to break covid guidelines in other, more effective areas.
I guess what I am trying to say is, regardless if ski areas spread covid or not, they will be shut down if covid gets any worse or state regulations are clearly being broken at ski resorts. therefore, it is in the best interest of society, specifically everyone who wants to ski at a ski area, if everyone just follows the rules.
technically, you are correct. executive orders from governors are not technically laws. however, they are still enforced, hence why you get a ticket rather than going to jail for breaking covid guidelines.
if you ski in the BC all season this year, you are clearly not part of the problem and nobody ought to get pissed off at you.
how do you suggest we weigh both personal freedoms and societal health risks?
Dude like I said you can say and believe whatever you want. All these rules are arbitrary and a lot of them make no sense at all. Expecting people to follow this stuff for month and months is just stupid.
I don't wear my mask outside even though it is mandated.
How do we weight the risks? Let people make their own assessment. My entire point is this is already happening. You cannot stop it. No on can. It's over.
dant02technically, you are correct. executive orders from governors are not technically laws. however, they are still enforced, hence why you get a ticket rather than going to jail for breaking covid guidelines.
And dude... no one is getting tickets for breaking COVID guideliness. Everyone wears masks in grocery stores. Otherwise there is literally nothing else enforced.
Self-quarantine is required in NYC. How many tickets have been issued? Last I checked it was like 5
dying from covid really isn’t the issue... if you are being safe you can largely control your own fate r.e catching covid... the larger issue is somebody with something like a heart attack or fractured femur dying cuz all the beds in that hospital are full of covid patients.
galardogodI get that it’s incredibly unfortunate, but look man, it’s time to move on. In the same way it’s unfortunate To die of the flu or any other diseases the fact is it is statistically improbable
that being said i think the generalization of don’t cross borders to ski is kinda nuts... cases are surging everywhere, you could catch it from someone from your own state very easily. it’s early season now so i understand why people say don’t make the trip, but as someone from the midwest i’m planning on driving west for sure once snow starts falling.
we’re all on this website cuz skiing is like all of our favorite thing to do...
IMO you can respect this virus and have been living the right and safe way, and continue to live the right and safe way, and also safely make it out to a hill
skiindianaWell not a single patient in the united states has been denied care due to 'overloaded' hospitals.
But yeah, wishing ill on others is totally not hysteria.
The point is, I'm already right. People are doing their thing. 1 million people per day are flying all over the country. The nonsense already lost.
that is absolutely not true. people may not have been "denied care", but having to be transported to the next closest hospital is fatal for a variety of reasons.
KCoCMthat is absolutely not true. people may not have been "denied care", but having to be transported to the next closest hospital is fatal for a variety of reasons.
As with the media, it seems you need to be reminded about what happens all the time. ICU capacity is normally anywhere between 70-80%. It can be 'overrun' during a normal flu season which usually leads to people who do not completely need ICU resources being transferred to somewhere else.
People being moved between hospitals is normal. It happens all the time.
There are no instances this year of someone dying due to the lack of access to medical resources from a hospital being overwhelmed. It has not happened.
COVID patients are not the majority of ICU population ANYWHERE.
DrailOh how ironic it would be if you break your leg real bad while skiing and get denied at the hospital because it is over capacity resulting in an infection that ultimately leads to death. If the healthcare system is overloaded it does not end well for anyone in need of care.
That's not how hospitals work, they have units for different injuries and illnesses. The only thing he might get denied would be a ventilator and you don't typically need those for a broken leg. a lot of hospital employees were out of work over the summer because of the lack of elective procedures being performed and a lower rate of injury due to people staying inside. The overall death rate in the US went way down when covid first hit.
Even if the number of people that have died directly or indirectly due to lack of beds/ resources is much smaller than the media claims, it's ludicrous that you are confidently repeating that claim that it hasn't happened.
skiindianaAs with the media, it seems you need to be reminded about what happens all the time. ICU capacity is normally anywhere between 70-80%. It can be 'overrun' during a normal flu season which usually leads to people who do not completely need ICU resources being transferred to somewhere else.
People being moved between hospitals is normal. It happens all the time.
There are no instances this year of someone dying due to the lack of access to medical resources from a hospital being overwhelmed. It has not happened.
COVID patients are not the majority of ICU population ANYWHERE.
Changing topic since neither of us are health experts so why even continue, where are good places to ski in Indiana? I live in chicago and am dying to find a place within 2 hours thats not a waste of my life to drive there.
