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Fischer Ranger 94fr ?

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daveSpaghetski
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Hi I'm an Italian 16 years old intermediate skier.
Next season, I'd like to buy a new pair of skis, and I need your help.

For three years now, I fell in love with freeride skiing, so when I go skiing I'm always looking for fresh snow (generally there isn't more than 20/25 centimetres of pow) and doing stuff like manuals, tail drags, taps etc... but I ski mostly on piste.
Even if I can't do any trick, next seasons I'd like to learn small tricks like 360s, 540s, butters...

For 3 years now I owned a pair of Volkl Alley 2012 but I found them too stiff and freestyle oriented.

I found the Rangers 94fr at a good price, would they be good for me?

I have also a doubt: I'm a light skier (174cm and 64kg), are the Rangers enough playful for learning butters/manuals? I heard that they're very stiff but they also have a long Rocker.

Thanks and sorry for the long thread.
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Nov 19 2020 8:24PM
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Celery
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I've never heard anything about the 94, but I've only heard praise of the 102.

A friend of mine has them, and they are pretty light, and easy to throw around while not getting bucked around in chop. It also had some rise in the tails, so it's possible to land switch.

Another good option may be the Atomic bentchetler 100. It has aa reputation as a kind of jack of all trades ski. I know guys who use it mounted at center for park or like at +2 or +3 for all mountain along with one person who uses it for touring. I think stomp it tutorials did a long term review on youtube if you're interested.

And finally, if you can afford it, there's the jeffery 96 and 102 which would both be awesome freeride/all mountain/ park skis. Probably the most recommend ski on this site.
Nov 19 2020 9:19PM
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Bended_Toenail
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CeleryI've never heard anything about the 94, but I've only heard praise of the 102.

A friend of mine has them, and they are pretty light, and easy to throw around while not getting bucked around in chop. It also had some rise in the tails, so it's possible to land switch.

Another good option may be the Atomic bentchetler 100. It has aa reputation as a kind of jack of all trades ski. I know guys who use it mounted at center for park or like at +2 or +3 for all mountain along with one person who uses it for touring. I think stomp it tutorials did a long term review on youtube if you're interested.

And finally, if you can afford it, there's the jeffery 96 and 102 which would both be awesome freeride/all mountain/ park skis. Probably the most recommend ski on this site.


+1 for Bentchetler 100. Fabulous ski, handles pow and groomers stellarly.
Nov 19 2020 9:23PM
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anders_a
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Your so light the 94FR would probably work out great, but I just favour the 102Fr more, here in europe you should also find pretty insane deals on the 102FR as well. mount like +3
Nov 19 2020 9:40PM
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animator
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anders_aYour so light the 94FR would probably work out great, but I just favour the 102Fr more, here in europe you should also find pretty insane deals on the 102FR as well. mount like +3


94 and 102 FR are pretty stiff so be sure you’re a confident enough skier to ride them if that makes sense. They do not reward lazy skiers and you need to be on them all the time to get the best out of them. Bent Chetler 100 sounds like a great option for what you’re looking for
Nov 19 2020 10:00PM
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anders_a
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I might not be the best guy to comment, but I find the 102FR to be super friendly to ski, doesn't punish lazyness, doesn't hook lets you bleed speed, tips doesnt chatter, and you can ski it pretty fast/hard. heck, even got them for christmas for my girl. dont tell her)

The BC100 is pretty good for sure though, especially for lighter skiers, I just dont like the tails on the BC100.
Nov 19 2020 10:12PM
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animator
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anders_aI might not be the best guy to comment, but I find the 102FR to be super friendly to ski, doesn't punish lazyness, doesn't hook lets you bleed speed, tips doesnt chatter, and you can ski it pretty fast/hard. heck, even got them for christmas for my girl. dont tell her)

The BC100 is pretty good for sure though, especially for lighter skiers, I just dont like the tails on the BC100.


Aren’t you also like 6 foot and 190 pounds?
Nov 19 2020 10:41PM
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anders_a
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More like 6'3 and 215-235lbs :p I'm petite viking size.

I still find the tails on the 188cm BC100 too stiff vs shovels/underfoot. But yes its a very very good ski.
Nov 19 2020 11:04PM
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daveSpaghetski
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Thank you all guys for the advices, I really appreciate them.

So the answer could be: the Rangers could work but there are some better options (like the bc100) that without sacrificing too on-groomers performance would make learning tricks much easier.

I excluded the 100mm category because of my light weight and the fairly small amount of fresh snow, so I tought I didn't need those mm of extra waist.
What about the mounting point? Is for the rangers +3cm from the recommended (as @anders_a said) good?
What about the bc? +1cm as @Bended_Toenail said?

thanks again for the help.

**This post was edited on Nov 20th 2020 at 4:56:27am
Nov 20 2020 4:53AM
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Celery
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DavTheSpaghetskiThank you all guys for the advices, I really appreciate them.

So the answer could be: the Rangers could work but there are some better options (like the bc100) that without sacrificing too on-groomers performance would make learning tricks much easier.

I excluded the 100mm category because of my light weight and the fairly small amount of fresh snow, so I tought I didn't need those mm of extra waist.
What about the mounting point? Is for the rangers +3cm from the recommended (as @anders_a said) good?
What about the bc? +1cm as @Bended_Toenail said?

thanks again for the help.

**This post was edited on Nov 20th 2020 at 4:56:27am


I'd say don't be afraid of the wider waist skis. I ski on the east coast and I ride blends which are 100mm in the waist, and I've got some RMU Apostle 98's coming next week. They still carve pretty well even at that width.
Nov 20 2020 7:57AM
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Greg_K
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Agree with others here that the Ranger 94 wouldn’t be the best ski for you with your lighter weight especially if you think the Volkl Alley was stiff. Like @anders_a mentioned, the Fisher 102 is a better ski as it’s the same stiffness as the 94FR but has about 200 grams more weight behind it, so it’s more damp and stable. More of a “serious” ski than a playful one though so I’d look elsewhere.

All mountain freestyle skis that have a solid weight to be stable yet have forgiving tips/tails for learning butters and rigid underfoot for on piste use. Dynastar Menace 98, Black Crows Camox, Volkl Revolt 95, Nordica Soul Rider 97 all come to mind along with the Bent 100. Many of these would come at deals for last years models which haven’t changed except the top sheet.
Nov 20 2020 8:16AM
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anders_a
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I hate that they are 100+ mm myself, but.... they dont ski like 100+

on ice/firm they ski like a 80-90 someting ski, quick edge to edge, good edgehold etc.



Skiing in italy, I'd bring the 102FR on my travel for sure.



As for mounting, +3 is easy, you could probably even go +4, since your lighter.



the Volkl you have is basicly a stiff skinny ski to land weird shit when your a tad off balance on jumps iirc.



greg_k got me on them, and damn I love them.
Nov 20 2020 8:23AM
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daveSpaghetski
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Thank you guys!! I appreciate it a lot.
This is my first thread here in Newschoolers, glad to see such knowledgeable and helpful people.
See you around the forum (or on the slopes if coronavirus allows us)

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**This post was edited on Nov 20th 2020 at 9:15:37am
Nov 20 2020 9:14AM
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anders_a
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yay! we are ski nerds ;)

To make it harder, you really do need to look at the revolt 104 2021, and the ARV 96 , 2020
Nov 20 2020 11:41AM
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daveSpaghetski
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anders_ayay! we are ski nerds ;)

To make it harder, you really do need to look at the revolt 104 2021, and the ARV 96 , 2020

Yeah, actually I had taken a look also at the revolts 104 but I was kinda doubtful regarding their performance on groomers.
I saw that they've a long rocker (more than the bc) with pretty soft tips and tails, but I also remember that when I asked skiessentials if there were some differences in terms of stability between those and the bc, they replied me saying that, despite the more playful look, they were even more stable.
Quite strange I'd say
Nov 20 2020 12:06PM
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anders_a
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DavTheSpaghetskiYeah, actually I had taken a look also at the revolts 104 but I was kinda doubtful regarding their performance on groomers.
I saw that they've a long rocker (more than the bc) with pretty soft tips and tails, but I also remember that when I asked skiessentials if there were some differences in terms of stability between those and the bc, they replied me saying that, despite the more playful look, they were even more stable.
Quite strange I'd say


I own the revolt 104s, they are a AWESOME, the rocker profile fools you a bit, the easy butter initation etc makes them feel like noodles, but they are stiff, just clever rocker design, so when you lay them on edge, the rocker works as a long contact surface with backbone. I landed with all my 235lbs on a single ski, rear wardjust last ski day on a fucked jump, and skied away from it!? so surprised. I've also been able to go 100% charging at our indoor place and they just feel solid. I think this will be able to handle 50mph (80kmh) range on carve, I dont think it will be a 60mph+(100kmh) ski like the 102 FR

its more playful than the 102FR. Both are super skis.
Nov 20 2020 12:13PM
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daveSpaghetski
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anders_aI own the revolt 104s, they are a AWESOME, the rocker profile fools you a bit, the easy butter initation etc makes them feel like noodles, but they are stiff, just clever rocker design, so when you lay them on edge, the rocker works as a long contact surface with backbone. I landed with all my 235lbs on a single ski, rear wardjust last ski day on a fucked jump, and skied away from it!? so surprised. I've also been able to go 100% charging at our indoor place and they just feel solid. I think this will be able to handle 50mph (80kmh) range on carve, I dont think it will be a 60mph+(100kmh) ski like the 102 FR

its more playful than the 102FR. Both are super skis.

Damn those skis sounds incredible! The top sheet graphic is beautiful too. The only problem is the price that go over my budget... I'll see if I could find a good deal for buy them
Nov 20 2020 2:27PM
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anders_a
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there are deals to be had on the revolt 104 for sure, like 400-500 euros should be easy (including EU tax

sale on sport conrad in a few hours as an example, -30%

But just going to local favorite store should be able to help you
Nov 20 2020 2:50PM
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