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The babies tantrums are escalating, he’s trying to start a war with Iran , maybe you sheeple should be first in line for this fight since you voted for this coward instead of sitting behind your computers like little bitches while aoldiers fight to defend you bc you elected an insane psychopath
**This thread was edited on Nov 17th 2020 at 6:28:58am
I find it funny how the left tries to paint Trump as a violent war monger when in reality he has been anything but. Remember how you all thought he was going to nuke Korea or start ww3 with Iran? The opposite happened. Peace deals were made, tensions eased. Got to love it.
I wouldn't exactly say we made much headway with North Korea or Iran.
North Korea hasn't exactly stopped testing their missiles and Iran still is trying to develop nuclear capacity.
Furthermore, I'm willing to bet it was more Trump's advisors than Trump himself who prevented conflicts.
President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday (11/12/20) whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.
A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Mr. Trump’s presidency.
r00kieI find it funny how the left tries to paint Trump as a violent war monger when in reality he has been anything but. Remember how you all thought he was going to nuke Korea or start ww3 with Iran? The opposite happened. Peace deals were made, tensions eased. Got to love it.
They want it both ways...
Just heard this morning he’s pulling more troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and people are still upset (granted it’s more the GOP than the Dems).
Didnt he broker 3 peace deals? And he’s definitely done more than Obama in regards to getting our guys out of the Middle East. But no, he says stupid things so we can’t acknowledge that right?
**This post was edited on Nov 17th 2020 at 8:43:23am
.MASSHOLE.I wouldn't exactly say we made much headway with North Korea or Iran.
North Korea hasn't exactly stopped testing their missiles and Iran still is trying to develop nuclear capacity.
Furthermore, I'm willing to bet it was more Trump's advisors than Trump himself who prevented conflicts.
President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday (11/12/20) whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.
A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Mr. Trump’s presidency.
I mean to be fair asking you advisors for consensus is exactly what the president should be doing. A dictator is someone who makes decisions solely by themselves...
Just heard this morning he’s pulling more troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and people are still upset (granted it’s more the GOP than the Dems).
Didnt he broker 3 peace deals? And he’s definitely done more than Obama in regards to getting our guys out of the Middle East. But no, he says stupid things so we can’t acknowledge that right?
**This post was edited on Nov 17th 2020 at 8:43:23am
He brokered 3 deals, but they're not as impressive as one would believe.
Abraham Accords (the two "major" peace deals):
The UAE, Bahrain, and Israel were already engaging in conversations and were not involved in any conflicts prior to this agreement. Yes, this formalized it but it was more due to fear of Iran than desire to become cooperative partners for the greater good of their nations.
Serbian-Kosovo Agreement:
Again, more in name than reality. Serbia still doesn't recognize Kosovo's independence, and rather than do something new, the agreement just rehashed old infrastructure deals. More importantly, both left the meeting with their own statements rather than a joint one, indicating they cared more about appeasing the domestic situation than the international one. I mean, FFS, the Serbian PM basically laughed at Trump when he said Serbia would move their embassy to Jerusalem, because if Kosovo was there, they wouldn't do it.
r00kieI find it funny how the left tries to paint Trump as a violent war monger when in reality he has been anything but. Remember how you all thought he was going to nuke Korea or start ww3 with Iran? The opposite happened. Peace deals were made, tensions eased. Got to love it.
r00kieI find it funny how the left tries to paint Trump as a violent war monger when in reality he has been anything but. Remember how you all thought he was going to nuke Korea or start ww3 with Iran? The opposite happened. Peace deals were made, tensions eased. Got to love it.
No, don’t gotta love it , not at all , he is a war monger, if there weren’t generals and senate in his way, if there were a button he could push without someone else’s codes HE WOULD , period!
Charlie_KellyI mean to be fair asking you advisors for consensus is exactly what the president should be doing. A dictator is someone who makes decisions solely by themselves...
If he could, he would, he’s proven over and over again what a child he is, and anything his administration has done has been because of those that advised him, not his thoughts, or his plans, just his stealing of others ideas just like he’s trying to steal this election, cause he’s a fucking BABY
SavageBiffNo, don’t gotta love it , not at all , he is a war monger, if there weren’t generals and senate in his way, if there were a button he could push without someone else’s codes HE WOULD , period!
If he could, he would, he’s proven over and over again what a child he is, and anything his administration has done has been because of those that advised him, not his thoughts, or his plans, just his stealing of others ideas just like he’s trying to steal this election, cause he’s a fucking BABY
You do realize the president hires their advisors right? And that the advisors don't have any actual authority right? The president has to sign off and approve of it. If Trump is a war monger what would that make the last three administrations who actually lead our country into war and left office with no plan of getting out of the wars they started?
r00kieYou do realize the president hires their advisors right? And that the advisors don't have any actual authority right? The president has to sign off and approve of it. If Trump is a war monger what would that make the last three administrations who actually lead our country into war and left office with no plan of getting out of the wars they started?
Stainrcant wait for ur post on "fuck why are gas prices so high" thread next fall.
gas prices are low due to covid and people traveling less, which means excess amounts of gas. Also the gas prices dropped during the Obama era and flowed into the Trump term.
The title of the article itself is "Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop It's Growing Nuclear Program"
Let's dissect this title... He "Sought Options". To me, that sounds reasonable. Seeking options to solve a problem is exactly what any president would do. I don't want to see any more conflict in the middle east but what are we supposed to do when a belligerent regime chants death to America while creating mock US aircraft carriers to practice attacking?
What options did he seek? "Mr. Trump asked his top national security aides what options were available and how to respond, officials said."
Again, "officials said" so.. grain of salt, naturally because this leaker to the NYT is likely a low or mid level staffer that saw some sort of meeting minutes and not someone that was actually in the room of this top secret briefing. But i still don't see anything wrong yet.
"After Mr. Pompeo and General Milley described the potential risks of military escalation, officials left the meeting believing a missile attack inside Iran was off the table, according to administration officials with knowledge of the meeting."
This is what a good manager does. Give me every option, no matter the cost, and lets whittle them away one by one to find the best option. It's just a basic review process.
"The episode underscored how Mr. Trump still faces an array of global threats in his final weeks in office. A strike on Iran may not play well to his base, which is largely opposed to a deeper American conflict in the Middle East, but it could poison relations with Tehran so that it would be much harder for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. to revive the 2015 Iran nuclear accord, as he has promised"
/\ And that's where the "facts" of the meeting in question stop and the narrative begins to shift to see the bias of the author clear as day. He refers to the meeting where Trump was seeking options as a "episode" and speculates wildly that Trump is trying to poison relations with Iran before he leaves so that it's harder on joe biden. wut?!?!
So lets review... Trump has a meeting with top advisors where he asked what options were on the table to deal with Iran. His advisors laid out the options and they concluded a missile strike was off the table. That's it. That's the meat. That's the juice.
This is disgusting and dishonest and a poor example of a journalist with good sources. There's no substance. The classic Trump era of journalism where they pick a incendiary title to get clicks with wild speculation in the article that steers the readers towards there own biased narrative.
snowfinder2021 cant come soon enough. so over that clown.
Can’t wait until 2021 so we can get Biden into office only to see him leave and have Harris take over with her own VP pick (because fuck democracy, am I right??)
it’s almost like the Democrats don’t realize the irony of talking about Trump being a war monger, meanwhile Obama put us into more wars than Trump did.
snowfindergas prices are low due to covid and people traveling less, which means excess amounts of gas. Also the gas prices dropped during the Obama era and flowed into the Trump term.
It appears prices raised from the start to end of the Obama administration, holding a long peak much higher than they have ever been during Trumps term.
r00kieIt appears prices raised from the start to end of the Obama administration, holding a long peak much higher than they have ever been during Trumps term.
Mtuhockey33Can’t wait until 2021 so we can get Biden into office only to see him leave and have Harris take over with her own VP pick (because fuck democracy, am I right??)
it’s almost like the Democrats don’t realize the irony of talking about Trump being a war monger, meanwhile Obama put us into more wars than Trump did.
trump doesn't like war, him dodging the draft is evidence of that. what a true american hero.
r00kieBack to calling people you disagree with trolls eh?
You, Zues, Mtu and skiinianda literally post bullshit in every political thread to stir the pot. You. Are. A. Troll. Nobody thinks what you say is genuine and nobody listens to anything you say.
eheathYou, Zues, Mtu and skiinianda literally post bullshit in every political thread to stir the pot. You. Are. A. Troll. Nobody thinks what you say is genuine and nobody listens to anything you say.
I'll give you skiindaina and at times zeus. But to attempt to discredit everyone you disagree with as a troll is bullshit. I would expect more from a grown adult.
r00kieI'll give you skiindaina and at times zeus. But to attempt to discredit everyone you disagree with as a troll is bullshit. I would expect more from a grown adult.
Bro you're trying to argue about gas prices fuck off.
Stainrcant wait for ur post on "fuck why are gas prices so high" thread next fall.
Buy a bike if you can’t afford gas
Mtuhockey33Can’t wait until 2021 so we can get Biden into office only to see him leave and have Harris take over with her own VP pick (because fuck democracy, am I right??)
it’s almost like the Democrats don’t realize the irony of talking about Trump being a war monger, meanwhile Obama put us into more wars than Trump did.
What’s not democratic about that? And oh ya no need to say it but your a dumbASS
snowfindercalling em as he sees em
Bingo
eheathYou, Zues, Mtu and skiinianda literally post bullshit in every political thread to stir the pot. You. Are. A. Troll. Nobody thinks what you say is genuine and nobody listens to anything you say.
Evidence says their mommies listen to them , probably still tie their shoes too, if they’ve moved beyond Velcro that is
eheathDid you know trolling is actually against the rules?
Dude whats the beef? This thread was good discussion focused on issues until you came in calling people trolls. Chill out and accept that someone mught think differently than you.
r00kieDude whats the beef? This thread was good discussion focused on issues until you came in calling people trolls. Chill out and accept that someone mught think differently than you.
He's just trollin ya big dog, you got got sorry to say
r00kieDude whats the beef? This thread was good discussion focused on issues until you came in calling people trolls. Chill out and accept that someone mught think differently than you.
r00kieYou're right. Been nice to see eheath put the superiority complex behind sometime.
Bro you post bullshit like your statement about gas prices ALL THE TIME what the fuck do you expect me to think? People are gonna think you're a troll when you make troll posts dude.
Maybe you're just an idiot and i'm giving you too much credit as a troll.
eheathBro you post bullshit like your statement about gas prices ALL THE TIME what the fuck do you expect me to think? People are gonna think you're a troll when you make troll posts dude.
Maybe you're just an idiot and i'm giving you too much credit as a troll.
r00kieDude whats the beef? This thread was good discussion focused on issues until you came in calling people trolls. Chill out and accept that someone mught think differently than you.
Savage & eHeath don’t know how to have civil discourse when their own ideals come under attack. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when this next administration gets us into more wars. Can’t wait to see Harris as president ✌🏼
Sounds like you can afford gas, if not sorry YOU fucked up , I don’t care about the price of gas., I do care that fat cats are lining their pockets with it, we’re waging wars over it, the laborer and driller get pennies, and I own 13 trucks and 3 personal vehicles, my fuel cost, is not small.
Stainrright.. because a 40 minute car ride to work with a bike would be logical....
eheathBro you post bullshit like your statement about gas prices ALL THE TIME what the fuck do you expect me to think? People are gonna think you're a troll when you make troll posts dude.
Maybe you're just an idiot and i'm giving you too much credit as a troll.
Damn I do love me some gas prices. Sometimes I just drive around just to look at gas prices. My favorite ones are the old school plastic card numbers. Love those prices.
StainrIf Trump started a team that cured cancer...
the Left would still find a way to hate this man.
sad.
how hard is it to hate such a piece of shit, a malignant narcissistic sociopath isn't exactly known as a very likeable person. he's a nasty, cruel, bully, that is very very un-likeable to any person that has a remote sense of character , this isn't a left right issue it's a personality issue.
Mtuhockey33Savage & eHeath don’t know how to have civil discourse when their own ideals come under attack. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when this next administration gets us into more wars. Can’t wait to see Harris as president ✌🏼
It’s not that we can’t respond in a civil manner, I’ve told you before some people don’t warrant civility or an intellectual response, you are one of these morally bankrupt morons I speak of you red karma fool
Pachankzhow hard is it to hate such a piece of shit, a malignant narcissistic sociopath isn't exactly known as a very likeable person. he's a nasty, cruel, bully, that is very very un-likeable to any person that has a remote sense of character , this isn't a left right issue it's a personality issue.
Ignorance is fiercely strong. Many people are cowardice, afraid to speak up and do the right thing, they are but a shriveled version of their fathers shriveled sacks and will produce sack less offspring, and more so unable to admit they’re wrong, or that they’re wrong for the current times whatever the situation may be
r00kieI find it funny how the left tries to paint Trump as a violent war monger when in reality he has been anything but. Remember how you all thought he was going to nuke Korea or start ww3 with Iran? The opposite happened. Peace deals were made, tensions eased. Got to love it.
LOL Trump is a draft-dodging pussy, I'll give you that but peace deals and tensions eased?
The following occurred under Trump's watch....
North Korea developed a cruise missile that can hit California and are close to arming it with a nuclear warhead.
China has taken complete control of the South China Sea and Beijing.
Russia invaded and annexed 1/4th of the Ukraine.
Iran has amassed 3x's the amount of Uranium they've ever had bringing them closer than ever to creating a nuclear weapon.
Iran accidentally shot down a commercial airliner during increased tensions created by Trump.
Russia supplied insurgents with a missile launcher which shot down an airliner, not a peep from Trump.
Russia put bounties on US solider's heads, not a peep from Trump.
Trump has continuously disparaged the U.N. and favored dictators and autocrats over our allies, weakening the U.S.' influence abroad.
Israel continues to illegally destory and displace Palestinians.
Trump told China he doesn't care and approves of them setting up concentration camps for millions of their own citizens.
Trump openly disparages and insults our democracy, giving power to Russia, China and other Communist countries to denounce democracy.
BUT YEAH BRO, SIGNING A FEW DEALS WITH MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES TO OPEN TRADE IS TOTALLY WORLD PEACE.
