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jrob.
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So I'm about to pick up a pair of 181 Sakanas for daily resort ripping.

The mount point looks super far back. I typically mount 2-3cm back from center, or 2-3cm forward of traditional, depending on factory recommended. I've just found that works best for a more balanced feel. Not much switch stuff for me these days, and this is by no means the ski for that anyway, but we do have some fairly tight trees and I find swing and pivot to improve a little closer to center (obviously).

Line recommends almost -11cm from center/80cm from tail, which seems insanely back seat.
My initial thought is 5-6cm forward of that point, putting 85-86 out back, and still -5cm+ from center I feel like this will be better for popping rollers, and just overall more stable.
My only hesitation is not to fuck with Mr. Pollards design, but I really don't want to drill holes that far aft.

Has anyone played with the mount position on these boards?

Any experienced feedback would be great.

Cheers!
Nov 16 2020 3:29AM
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CatdickBojangles
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I would not mess with the mount point on them what so ever. The ski is literally designed around that mount point. You'll be fighting the side cut if you move it up at all. Mount it on the line.
Nov 16 2020 7:47AM
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anders_a
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"that park dude" moved them up a bit I know. Also the blade has like -7? so its feasable. -2 from center is not however.

I have the sakana and blade side by side here looking at them, Id say you can go maybe 1-2 cm forward if your a light skier

I just mounted the blades at reccomended -7 something , but havent mounted the sakans, wondering the same thing, if I was lighter... Id for sure go forward, but at 250lbs and 6'3 Im still a bit unsure myself :p
Nov 16 2020 8:23AM
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jrob.
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CatdickBojanglesI would not mess with the mount point on them what so ever. The ski is literally designed around that mount point. You'll be fighting the side cut if you move it up at all. Mount it on the line.

Copy, didn't realize the side cut and mount were that closely intertwined. I'm seeing a difference in numbers between lines website and some ski tests, so maybe I'll just contact line directly to clarify.
anders_a"that park dude" moved them up a bit I know. Also the blade has like -7? so its feasable. -2 from center is not however.

I have the sakana and blade side by side here looking at them, Id say you can go maybe 1-2 cm forward if your a light skier

I just mounted the blades at reccomended -7 something , but havent mounted the sakans, wondering the same thing, if I was lighter... Id for sure go forward, but at 250lbs and 6'3 Im still a bit unsure myself :p

I'm 5'11" and 145, so definitely on the lighter side. Just double checked Lines website and they're saying -8cm from center. I had been going off blister reviews test which has them at -10.9cm. not sure what the disparity is there. I don't have the skis yet, so once I have them in my hand and can compare against others maybe it will be more apparent.
Nov 16 2020 8:54AM
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anders_a
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Ill grab a tape measure and calipers later today, remember the tail construction is way different than a freestyle ski though, so it will support you to the very end. Literally.



Asking line is never bad though, they told me on line for blade as well, heck they are even on this forum, tagging @Cascara
Nov 16 2020 8:59AM
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Shmayd
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I have been skiing the sakanas for some time last winter, went recommended and wouldn't go either back or forth from that point. I have spent most of my time on park skis and close to center mounted all mountain skis. I am 185 cm long (6 foot 1???) and roughly 67 kg light (150lbs??) skiing the 181. Moving forward could possibly make butters and jumping easier but would ruin the signature feel of the ski. However butters are perfectly possible as is and jumping you get used to. As already mentioned the skis are literally designed around the sidecut and I wouldn't consider moving forward or backwards. Hope I could help! :)
Nov 16 2020 2:00PM
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Cascara
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Heyo,

@anders_a Thanks for pulling me in. I do not recommend going forward on the Sakana even though the mount point is pretty far back (for Line standards). If you were to push the mount point forward the ski will become less stable, more pivoty and more twitchy. As said above, the mount point location is directly related to the sidecut and waist of the ski. Rocker profile is also designed around the waist. Some skis are designed to be more tolerant of moving the mount point whereas others are not. The Sakana definitely falls more into the later category.

The discrepancy with mount point between Blister and us has to do with the way that it is measured. We spec the "center" of outr ski as the middle of the forward and aft contact points (FCP and ACP respectively) and not the overall length of the ski. Blister uses a tip-tail measurement to find center. For us, anything in front of FCP is outside the running surface and is in the "tip section" and anything behind ACP is "the tail section". Twin tips have identical (or almost identical) tip and tail lengths so the blister measurement will match ours more closely. I know this is confusing but there is a long history and good reason for it.

Sorry for the rant. Hope that helps.
anders_aIll grab a tape measure and calipers later today, remember the tail construction is way different than a freestyle ski though, so it will support you to the very end. Literally.



Asking line is never bad though, they told me on line for blade as well, heck they are even on this forum, tagging @Cascara
Nov 16 2020 2:01PM
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jrob.
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samhydI have been skiing the sakanas for some time last winter, went recommended and wouldn't go either back or forth from that point. I have spent most of my time on park skis and close to center mounted all mountain skis. I am 185 cm long (6 foot 1???) and roughly 67 kg light (150lbs??) skiing the 181. Moving forward could possibly make butters and jumping easier but would ruin the signature feel of the ski. However butters are perfectly possible as is and jumping you get used to. As already mentioned the skis are literally designed around the sidecut and I wouldn't consider moving forward or backwards. Hope I could help! :)

Thanks for the solid feedback homie! We are roughly the same size and weight, so that helps a lot.
LINE_EnginerdHeyo,

@anders_a Thanks for pulling me in. I do not recommend going forward on the Sakana even though the mount point is pretty far back (for Line standards). If you were to push the mount point forward the ski will become less stable, more pivoty and more twitchy. As said above, the mount point location is directly related to the sidecut and waist of the ski. Rocker profile is also designed around the waist. Some skis are designed to be more tolerant of moving the mount point whereas others are not. The Sakana definitely falls more into the later category.

The discrepancy with mount point between Blister and us has to do with the way that it is measured. We spec the "center" of outr ski as the middle of the forward and aft contact points (FCP and ACP respectively) and not the overall length of the ski. Blister uses a tip-tail measurement to find center. For us, anything in front of FCP is outside the running surface and is in the "tip section" and anything behind ACP is "the tail section". Twin tips have identical (or almost identical) tip and tail lengths so the blister measurement will match ours more closely. I know this is confusing but there is a long history and good reason for it.

Sorry for the rant. Hope that helps.


Thanks for the detailed input! That actually makes perfect sense, and I feel a lot better about the seemingly backseat mounting.
Not one to think I know better than the designers, so I'll def go with line spec.
Thank you for clarifying the discrepancy in numbers as well.
Stoked to get these set up.

Cheers!
Nov 16 2020 2:40PM
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mountaindewgirl
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Don't fuck with the intended mount. Not on a ski like this.
Nov 16 2020 2:55PM
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zaghombre
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@ Line_Skis + @Cascara:
In the latest pictures of the Sakana the binding is mounted up to approx. +7 from the recommended point by Liam Baxter!?!...what do you say about that???


I don't know where I (190cm 85kg) should mount my 181 sakana!?!
Nov 5 2024 2:11PM
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zaghombre
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