Utah Ski area postponing opening dates - TBD opening - Covid Related?

“Claiming” snowmaking system issues on their IG.

Let this go over for a day. See what else comes of it. See if any other resorts try to pull some shit.

Yeah we got 2' of snow on top of dirt dude, we need about 3-4 more of those storms before places like solitude (minimal snow making) will be opened, especially since they are owned by Deer Valley now, who historically doesn't open their resort until they can open like 80% of their runs.

SkiBum.“Claiming” snowmaking system issues on their IG.

Let this go over for a day. See what else comes of it. See if any other resorts try to pull some shit.

You're taking a way too aggressive standpoint here dude, like I said in my other post, solitude has minimal snowmaking and if theyre having system issues then ya, they probably wont open til later. Hell, solitude was the last resort in the cottonwoods open last year, things changed when DV bought them.

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Meh, most their trails are well maintained and mowed, like PC/DV. Their GPM for snowmaking is low but more then enough for their opening rollout with the natural, forecast natural, and temps.

Unless they had a catastrophic snowmaking failure, shit smells funny.

We are in the days and reason to speculate and worry

eheathYou're taking a way too aggressive standpoint here dude, like I said in my other post, solitude has minimal snowmaking and if theyre having system issues then ya, they probably wont open til later. Hell, solitude was the last resort in the cottonwoods open last year, things changed when DV bought them.

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SkiBum.Meh, most their trails are well maintained and mowed, like PC/DV. Their GPM for snowmaking is low but more then enough for their opening rollout with the natural, forecast natural, and temps.

Unless they had a catastrophic snowmaking failure, shit smells funny.

We are in the days and reason to speculate and worry

You're being straight up paranoid right now brother, Solitude is gonna be the last resort open anyway, you knew what you signed up for.

I think its a pretty big stretch to relate this to the new covid restrictions, did you read them? Basically business are required for employees to wear mask and strongly encourage patrons to use masks (not require, which is weird but whatever) and this will have zero effect on how the ski resorts operate, all resorts were going to have mask rules already.

The only other part of the order was for people to not gather with anyone they don't live with for 2 weeks (until nov 23) but after that, I imagine this will change. Even so, I would argue a rule like this will have no effect on ski resorts either, as it is a business, operating outdoor recreation that is inherently distanced.

Utah is going to tow the line with covid, as a conservative state that desperately needs tourism and outdoor recreation to fuel the economy, I believe that the Utah government is going to do everything they can to avoid shutting down any businesses and will continue to enforce stricter guidelines (which they are doing now) as part of that process.

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Gov dropped the hammer last night

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/979289/YouTube

I think the ones that can open will open, A big issue is that most places want to open with more than one base area to avoid major crowds, that's why bird is opening Nov 30 and not earlier methinks.

IIRC, opening weekend last year for a lot of places minus PC/Brighton was like Dec 1st or right around that weekend, which we had a good pattern of storms that dropped a few feet just before everything opened, so it just feels like either an actual snowmaking issue or just waiting the weather out cuz it looks decent rn, but i wouldnt be surprised to see dates pushed back.....but i mean everything was practically still dirt last week and temps in like the 60s

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DeebieSkeebiesIIRC, opening weekend last year for a lot of places minus PC/Brighton was like Dec 1st or right around that weekend, which we had a good pattern of storms that dropped a few feet just before everything opened, so it just feels like either an actual snowmaking issue or just waiting the weather out cuz it looks decent rn, but i wouldnt be surprised to see dates pushed back.....but i mean everything was practically still dirt last week and temps in like the 60s

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Yeah there’s no reason resorts here couldn’t make enough to open by December right now, plus it wasn’t even like the off piste stuff was really going opening weekend anyways. Just kinda hope it stays locals only for a while considering slc is a shit show for covid right now, starting back up in PC shop next week so preparing for the worst still.

Why would they try to cover up covid? Its not like it's a secret that covid exists or anything.

If they were delaying due to covid, then they'd straight up say it's due to covid. They gain nothing by trying to hide it as "lack of snow."

My home resort, which has always opened thanksgiving no matter the snow, pushed back 2 weeks due to wanting to open with all 3 base areas to spread people out for covid

Fuck COVID let the people ski. Delaying open just to spread people out isn’t going to do anything.

ski season is cancelled....dont know how people are not grasping this. Non essential business and service, not going to be open...just a prediction. 90% of these resorts rely on cheap employees who live in dormitory style housing which work in shared buildings across departments. There is zero way to do any sort of valuable contract tracing at these places. Meaning an employ gets sick they are quarantining multiple employees across multiple departments. Combined with the stark downturn in the economy for most means people dropping big bucks on ski vacations isn't happening, because there is no guarantee there vacation will even be a success or have a resort to go to. One employee gets sick, whole resort closes for 2 weeks...just logistically this is no
t happening folks.

hippystinxski season is cancelled....dont know how people are not grasping this. Non essential business and service, not going to be open...just a prediction. 90% of these resorts rely on cheap employees who live in dormitory style housing which work in shared buildings across departments. There is zero way to do any sort of valuable contract tracing at these places. Meaning an employ gets sick they are quarantining multiple employees across multiple departments. Combined with the stark downturn in the economy for most means people dropping big bucks on ski vacations isn't happening, because there is no guarantee there vacation will even be a success or have a resort to go to. One employee gets sick, whole resort closes for 2 weeks...just logistically this is no
t happening folks.

if only the hippies had sticks that could go uphill
and ski down
anywhere there was snow and mountains
i bet they do it all "ski season"
you should sit home though

This is more off the deep end then my little assumption up there.

People are still buying passes and $20k a week vacations. Could resorts have limited openings/areas/lifts due to employees, I think so (aka what Solitude may or may not be doing). But they will do anything possible not to shut down again, unless the state or government says so.

hippystinxski season is cancelled....dont know how people are not grasping this. Non essential business and service, not going to be open...just a prediction. 90% of these resorts rely on cheap employees who live in dormitory style housing which work in shared buildings across departments. There is zero way to do any sort of valuable contract tracing at these places. Meaning an employ gets sick they are quarantining multiple employees across multiple departments. Combined with the stark downturn in the economy for most means people dropping big bucks on ski vacations isn't happening, because there is no guarantee there vacation will even be a success or have a resort to go to. One employee gets sick, whole resort closes for 2 weeks...just logistically this is no
t happening folks.

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hippystinxski season is cancelled....dont know how people are not grasping this. Non essential business and service, not going to be open...just a prediction. 90% of these resorts rely on cheap employees who live in dormitory style housing which work in shared buildings across departments. There is zero way to do any sort of valuable contract tracing at these places. Meaning an employ gets sick they are quarantining multiple employees across multiple departments. Combined with the stark downturn in the economy for most means people dropping big bucks on ski vacations isn't happening, because there is no guarantee there vacation will even be a success or have a resort to go to. One employee gets sick, whole resort closes for 2 weeks...just logistically this is no
t happening folks.

Colleges have remained open with students living in dorms just fine. The trick is regular testing; I assume resorts where most employees live in dorms already know this, and are taking cues from how colleges are handling things.

Just a reminder that as far as activities go with respect to COVID risk, skiing is one of the safest — 100% outdoors, mostly socially distanced, everyone's already wearing some kind of mask. It's the après scene that causes the superspreading events, and indoor restaurants/bars will likely long already have been closed by the state by the time the season really gets going, so I'm not too worried about Superspreader Jerry.

1080noscopeColleges have remained open with students living in dorms just fine. The trick is regular testing; I assume resorts where most employees live in dorms already know this, and are taking cues from how colleges are handling things.

Just a reminder that as far as activities go with respect to COVID risk, skiing is one of the safest — 100% outdoors, mostly socially distanced, everyone's already wearing some kind of mask. It's the après scene that causes the superspreading events, and indoor restaurants/bars will likely long already have been closed by the state by the time the season really gets going, so I'm not too worried about Superspreader Jerry.

Its not so much your personal exposure risk as it is the mountain employees risk. 70% of resorts I have ever worked for, house people in dormitories as tightly as they can. 6 people to a common living space is the norm for vail resorts. Then those 6 people go to multiple departments. Maybe this year they will switch it so that different aspects of mountain ops live in different rooms. But we are talking park crew, with lifites, with ski lessons, with hospitality's, with dining, with ski patrol. Then those people have to actually go into work, where 90% of the time lift ops is right next to snow making, which is right next to ski lessons, which is right next to ski patrol, which is right next to park crew. The logistics of keeping mountain staff in a way which they can social distance and still work, isn't really feasible. For a resort to function every department would have to be in a separate building, and every employee would have to be in separate spaces. The minute one person gets tested positive in the employee housing or a department, the resort will have to shut down to do contact tracing.
Side note I know air bnb is already limiting capacity. My friends were trying to book a air bnb for thanksgiving which slept 18 people which was perfect for their whole family. The host called and said they were forced to limit it to 25% capacity which reduced occupancy from the 19 they were going to bring, to 8 people. Combine this with, ski resorts are essentially non essential businesses. We dot need ski resorts to be open for society to function. At least in colorado they are operating on a reservation system, which in the first weekend of a ski resort being open, left 150,000 people without a spot to go skiing for the day. Do you really think people from europe, south america, russia are booking vacations for december-febuary if they are not even sure they will be able to ski, or if the resort will be open by then. This year is going to be a hit for the ski industry. Colorado announced last week closure of all non essential businesses and a return to stage 3 closures. Those were the government mandates which made ski resorts close in the first place. Maybe utahs slightly more republican leadership will change things, but their is still lift lines, public bathrooms, bars, resturaunts, lodges, etc a whole infrastructure for the sport which 80% of people going to the mountain want to be able to use. All I am saying is wait a month for the official closure of these places.

hippystinxski season is cancelled....dont know how people are not grasping this. Non essential business and service, not going to be open...just a prediction. 90% of these resorts rely on cheap employees who live in dormitory style housing which work in shared buildings across departments. There is zero way to do any sort of valuable contract tracing at these places. Meaning an employ gets sick they are quarantining multiple employees across multiple departments. Combined with the stark downturn in the economy for most means people dropping big bucks on ski vacations isn't happening, because there is no guarantee there vacation will even be a success or have a resort to go to. One employee gets sick, whole resort closes for 2 weeks...just logistically this is no
t happening folks.

This statement could be reasonable if you assume ski resorts do *nothing* but the thing is, resorts have been planning for this for months, its gonna be fine.

J-1 employees have already been out of the picture for awhile, PCs grooming/snowmaking/mtn operations are doing just fine right now, my guess is that they will never have every lift open this year, but I think you underestimate the consequences of not having an entire ski season.

Titus69Yeah there’s no reason resorts here couldn’t make enough to open by December right now

That's a stretch dude, PC and DV are really the only resorts with the snowmaking capabilities to do this kind of thing. BCC/LCC are very depended on natural snow.

eheathThis statement could be reasonable if you assume ski resorts do *nothing* but the thing is, resorts have been planning for this for months, its gonna be fine.

J-1 employees have already been out of the picture for awhile, PCs grooming/snowmaking/mtn operations are doing just fine right now, my guess is that they will never have every lift open this year, but I think you underestimate the consequences of not having an entire ski season.

ski season is cancelled in the terms of both government mandated and financially. Vail resorts makes 70% of their money from lodging, vacation rentals, food and beverage, aka people making dedicated trips for a winter vacation at a ski resort, spending 14,000+ a week to do it. I don't personally see that aspect happening. Will ski resorts try their hardest to open, absolutely. Will they turn a profit from Yocal locals who have already purchased a season pass, just going skiing for the day, and avoiding all other goods and services of a resort.....absolutely not. I think a lot of ski resorts and more importantly ski resort towns are in a pickle. If a resort like say steamboat, or crested butte doesn't open for the season....people are loosing everything. So many business loose money all year except from December to march, at least here in Colorado. It isn't just the resorts, it is all the little bars, restaurants, ski shops, coffee shops, hotels, airbnbs etc that rely heavily on a high influx of vacationers to buy their over priced goods and services because they don't really have any other choice.

All I am saying is no matter what the ski industry will be hemorrhaging money this winter. The big spenders will not be booking vacations in the quantity they have in previous years, and meanwhile resorts still have all their operating costs to account for. Diesel hours alone for a cat is insane, not to mention keeping lifts running for 25% capacity. It is a numbers game. At least if your a locals game you might have the best season of your life if you can snag those registrations for a pow day. I personally know quite a few long time ski resort industry folks who have worked for resorts all their life, who have jumped ship this year because they just don't see it happening logistically. Which t.l would chime in here. Beaver creek, houses 70% of their employees in dorms, and snow making, grooming, parks, mountain ops, lift maintenance all share the same on hill building for operations. Higher level employees are jumping ship because the logistics are not there.

hippystinxski season is cancelled in the terms of both government mandated and financially. Vail resorts makes 70% of their money from lodging, vacation rentals, food and beverage, aka people making dedicated trips for a winter vacation at a ski resort, spending 14,000+ a week to do it. I don't personally see that aspect happening. Will ski resorts try their hardest to open, absolutely. Will they turn a profit from Yocal locals who have already purchased a season pass, just going skiing for the day, and avoiding all other goods and services of a resort.....absolutely not. I think a lot of ski resorts and more importantly ski resort towns are in a pickle. If a resort like say steamboat, or crested butte doesn't open for the season....people are loosing everything. So many business loose money all year except from December to march, at least here in Colorado. It isn't just the resorts, it is all the little bars, restaurants, ski shops, coffee shops, hotels, airbnbs etc that rely heavily on a high influx of vacationers to buy their over priced goods and services because they don't really have any other choice.

All I am saying is no matter what the ski industry will be hemorrhaging money this winter. The big spenders will not be booking vacations in the quantity they have in previous years, and meanwhile resorts still have all their operating costs to account for. Diesel hours alone for a cat is insane, not to mention keeping lifts running for 25% capacity. It is a numbers game. At least if your a locals game you might have the best season of your life if you can snag those registrations for a pow day. I personally know quite a few long time ski resort industry folks who have worked for resorts all their life, who have jumped ship this year because they just don't see it happening logistically. Which t.l would chime in here. Beaver creek, houses 70% of their employees in dorms, and snow making, grooming, parks, mountain ops, lift maintenance all share the same on hill building for operations. Higher level employees are jumping ship because the logistics are not there.

Thanks for telling me a bunch of stuff we all knew about months ago, guess what, the resorts are opening, people are booking trips and I'll tell you right now, Utah's government is not going to get in the way. Vail doesn't need to turn a profit, other smaller resorts will have a harder time, but at least in Utah, most resorts are gonna be fine with a down year, next season is gonna pay for it all anyway.

Actually lodging numbers and ultra rich vacations are holding relatively steady from what I’ve seen late summer and fall. It’s the “get out of city and move to the mountains” deal happening.

My controversial thread title was more to spark convo, and that’s seemed to happen. I think the ski season will fall in a happy medium between your doom and gloom outlook and Evan’s positive outlook. If that’s the case, I’ll say it’s a win for all!

And if I were you, I’d invest in a cabin in the woods away from all

hippystinxski season is cancelled in the terms of both government mandated and financially. Vail resorts makes 70% of their money from lodging, vacation rentals, food and beverage, aka people making dedicated trips for a winter vacation at a ski resort, spending 14,000+ a week to do it. I don't personally see that aspect happening. Will ski resorts try their hardest to open, absolutely. Will they turn a profit from Yocal locals who have already purchased a season pass, just going skiing for the day, and avoiding all other goods and services of a resort.....absolutely not. I think a lot of ski resorts and more importantly ski resort towns are in a pickle. If a resort like say steamboat, or crested butte doesn't open for the season....people are loosing everything. So many business loose money all year except from December to march, at least here in Colorado. It isn't just the resorts, it is all the little bars, restaurants, ski shops, coffee shops, hotels, airbnbs etc that rely heavily on a high influx of vacationers to buy their over priced goods and services because they don't really have any other choice.

All I am saying is no matter what the ski industry will be hemorrhaging money this winter. The big spenders will not be booking vacations in the quantity they have in previous years, and meanwhile resorts still have all their operating costs to account for. Diesel hours alone for a cat is insane, not to mention keeping lifts running for 25% capacity. It is a numbers game. At least if your a locals game you might have the best season of your life if you can snag those registrations for a pow day. I personally know quite a few long time ski resort industry folks who have worked for resorts all their life, who have jumped ship this year because they just don't see it happening logistically. Which t.l would chime in here. Beaver creek, houses 70% of their employees in dorms, and snow making, grooming, parks, mountain ops, lift maintenance all share the same on hill building for operations. Higher level employees are jumping ship because the logistics are not there.

eheathThanks for telling me a bunch of stuff we all knew about months ago, guess what, the resorts are opening, people are booking trips and I'll tell you right now, Utah's government is not going to get in the way. Vail doesn't need to turn a profit, other smaller resorts will have a harder time, but at least in Utah, most resorts are gonna be fine with a down year, next season is gonna pay for it all anyway.

I would agree with you they will try to open. However the logistics of how a resort actually makes money will be affect. Will vail turn a profit this year? Thus far they are down 400 million of their 1.2 billion reserves. They at some point will have to be worried about making money. Can they take a hit for a year and still keep going, absolutely. However will smaller individually held resorts that are not part of a mega corp be able to survive a winter not turning a profit...? And that isn't even taking into account all the little shops and restaurants which comprise a ski village, and a mountain town in general which bank on making 90% of their yearly revenue in a 4 month period over the winter. As of this moment in time there are about 34,000,000 people facing evictions in America. Things might be good in your world, but for a lot of people they are on the cusp of loosing everything they have worked for their entire lives. Including myself, I run a business building infrastructure for music events...I haven't been allowed to work for 8 months in an industry which usually nets me 100k+ a year. I am personally fortunate that I have a diversified portfolio of other investments which are paying my bills and allowing me to have food on the table. But I can tell you for certain that a lot of my fellow industry folks who were not as diversified are hemorrhaging money.

SkiBum.Actually lodging numbers and ultra rich vacations are holding relatively steady from what I’ve seen late summer and fall. It’s the “get out of city and move to the mountains” deal happening.

My controversial thread title was more to spark convo, and that’s seemed to happen. I think the ski season will fall in a happy medium between your doom and gloom outlook and Evan’s positive outlook. If that’s the case, I’ll say it’s a win for all!

And if I were you, I’d invest in a cabin in the woods away from all

Yes this summer was the busiest summit county has ever been. I would suggest however that summer mountain town life and winter mountain town life are much different. Summer allows for dispersal, with people coming up to the mountains for camping and adventuring, and coming in once in a while to town for brunch, or something. However winter life, concentrates people to a couple of spots. In summit county at least there are a couple of different towns and mountains to choose from. Utah is in a similar boat, however your either staying in park city or salt lake. I personally think as infection rates keep getting worse as the fall and winter progress something will be done by local townships and councils to limit tourism into their areas, because they don't have the local infrastructure to deal with "outbreaks" Summit county has one rather small hospital for copper, vail, breck, keystone, abasin, dillion, silverthorne and frisco. I don't personally know about park city's hospital infrastructure and I would assume salt lake would have a couple. If townships start limiting tourism into their areas that is going to effect business as usual.

hippystinx has a few fair points about housing and businesses being impacted but idk, Utah has kinda blown up during this whole thing, has it not? Real estate is insane right now, hard to find housing anywhere worthwhile, passholder sales for locals at PC might have gone up (from what ive been told by friends/peers who work there), ski team enrollments through the roof for local programs due to kids being homeschooled, etc. We have a huge 2nd homeower crowd that came into town thats definitely going to keep some places busier than expected on top people who sent it to the west after school or for school or whatever. we're not Denver by any means yet but it feels like Utah will be a bit busy this season, just judging from all the other outdoor activities this summer. Trailheads were pretty slammed at all the go-to spots for a lot of stuff.

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hippystinxI would agree with you they will try to open. However the logistics of how a resort actually makes money will be affect. Will vail turn a profit this year? Thus far they are down 400 million of their 1.2 billion reserves. They at some point will have to be worried about making money. Can they take a hit for a year and still keep going, absolutely. However will smaller individually held resorts that are not part of a mega corp be able to survive a winter not turning a profit...? And that isn't even taking into account all the little shops and restaurants which comprise a ski village, and a mountain town in general which bank on making 90% of their yearly revenue in a 4 month period over the winter. As of this moment in time there are about 34,000,000 people facing evictions in America. Things might be good in your world, but for a lot of people they are on the cusp of loosing everything they have worked for their entire lives. Including myself, I run a business building infrastructure for music events...I haven't been allowed to work for 8 months in an industry which usually nets me 100k+ a year. I am personally fortunate that I have a diversified portfolio of other investments which are paying my bills and allowing me to have food on the table. But I can tell you for certain that a lot of my fellow industry folks who were not as diversified are hemorrhaging money.

Did you even read my post? I said small resorts will have issues, the big resorts will be fine, they will take a loss and make 2x next year. Do you realize how big 2021 and 2022 are going to be for the US economy? Most people are doing fine, I'm sorry to hear about your job and the people you know within the industry, but thats not comparable to the ski industry.

We all know how vail makes money, but with less accommodations means less employees and as far as I know, most ski towns are doing fine. But, this is only going to be a thing this season and next year skiing and other actives are going to be so popular man, everyone is gonna get out and spend money after the pandemic is over. We're talking about an industry that is fueled by the middle class and the wealthy, those groups are doing just fine right now and most will likely still make a vacation to their favorite resort this year.

eheathDid you even read my post? I said small resorts will have issues, the big resorts will be fine, they will take a loss and make 2x next year. Do you realize how big 2021 and 2022 are going to be for the US economy? Most people are doing fine, I'm sorry to hear about your job and the people you know within the industry, but thats not comparable to the ski industry.

We all know how vail makes money, but with less accommodations means less employees and as far as I know, most ski towns are doing fine. But, this is only going to be a thing this season and next year skiing and other actives are going to be so popular man, everyone is gonna get out and spend money after the pandemic is over. We're talking about an industry that is fueled by the middle class and the wealthy, those groups are doing just fine right now and most will likely still make a vacation to their favorite resort this year.

did you even read my post? Smaller resorts are already struggling with the effects of climate change, let alone a pandemic. Colorado alone sees 30% less snow than it used too. My local ski hill I am from in Pennsylvania bear creek, can't even stay open all winter regularly because it has started to rain so bad it literally turns everything into an un groomable sheet of ice, and they don't have temps for snow-making. That resort used to bank on making 80% of its yearly income over the 2 week Christmas into new years holiday.

I am a betting man, and have done alright investing and predicting futures, I am hedged right now that 2021 will bring its own challenges into the picture which will continue to effect the economy for most in a negative manner.

Burning man is not happening next year and that is in august, and their a pretty loose bunch. No electric forest as of now , no edc, no ultra, no Miami music week, no movement, no coachella, etc. I would expect this condition of life for society to continue for an indefinite foreseeable future, compounded with other factors...things are not looking good for the ski industry as a whole. It is literally a matter of time before the government forces yet another non essential business and service to close for the safety of society.

Side note this is my first year not buying a ski pass since I was 15. 16 years straight of having a season pass every year, this will be my first year just saying fuck it. I don't know if Utah will be implementing a lottery system for passes, but that is what made me say nope in Colorado. The few days I now have off a month to go drive 3 and a half hours to and from Denver to go shred, might not even happen because I don't get the reservation for the day. I used to ski 100-150 days a year, for years, I am just saying the writing is on the wall for the ski industry.

That's a lawsuit waiting to happened...selling season passes people can't even use when the opportunity arises barbecue of the reservation system.

eheathThat's a stretch dude, PC and DV are really the only resorts with the snowmaking capabilities to do this kind of thing. BCC/LCC are very depended on natural snow.

Well yes for the massive amounts of natural terrain they have, I just mean groomers at least. Certainly they don’t have as many machines to make snow like PC or DV but the weather up there is better for blowing.

Titus69Well yes for the massive amounts of natural terrain they have, I just mean groomers at least. Certainly they don’t have as many machines to make snow like PC or DV but the weather up there is better for blowing.

Again, thats not how the BCC/LCC resorts operate, solitude and brighton are usually the first open and its all based on early season snow. Brighton now is the only resort that opens early and I don't think anyone expected it to be earlier this year, solitude is run by DV now and open later, there is no more race to be open anymore in Utah.

eheathAgain, thats not how the BCC/LCC resorts operate, solitude and brighton are usually the first open and its all based on early season snow. Brighton now is the only resort that opens early and I don't think anyone expected it to be earlier this year, solitude is run by DV now and open later, there is no more race to be open anymore in Utah.

Aight well I’m pretty positive I’ve skied Brighton opening weekend with basically a run or two of ice in early November and zero stuff on resort to ski that’s off piste.

Titus69Aight well I’m pretty positive I’ve skied Brighton opening weekend with basically a run or two of ice in early November and zero stuff on resort to ski that’s off piste.

I have skied there on Halloween, key word have. I'm saying they don't do that anymore because there's nobody to race, so they open whenever they're ready now. When they did this in the past, they had some natural snow too.

Mountain bike sales were fucking crazy this summer, people wanted to get out of their house and do something. Skiing will be no exception, I see long lines in the future

Hippy Stinx chill your shit. You're not any more certain than anyone else, and so far it just sounds like speculation on your end. Of course this season will run differently, and resorts worldwide will see a potential loss.. However I'm just not seeing what your point is? Are you trying to fear monger?

DensecloudsHippy Stinx chill your shit. You're not any more certain than anyone else, and so far it just sounds like speculation on your end. Of course this season will run differently, and resorts worldwide will see a potential loss.. However I'm just not seeing what your point is? Are you trying to fear monger?

My point is that ski resorts fall under the non essential business and services category of the economy, which our lovely government is forcing to close in various speeds and steps to fight a global pandemic. Colorado just entered into a stay at home lock down, you literally can get fined for having more than 6 people in your home. I personally have hedged that many service and event based industries will remain forced to close, including ski resorts opening for this winter. Watching what happened to the music event industry this spring and summer, which I follow a bit more closely, they already know this, so they are trying to take as much money from people before they surprise surprise don't open, or actually offer the good or service which people have paid for to appease shareholders and to pad the books as much as possible. I am going to even further more bet, that they will try to keep peoples money, when it becomes blatantly apparent ski season is not happening based on some dumb fine print. For the next couple of years global pandemics will affect businesses deemed non essential by the government and a population hit by a world wide pandemic and more importantly global financial depression.

Furthermore and more importantly for the distant, but rapidly approaching nearer future ski resorts will have a harder and harder time with operations as rapidly warming temps which have thus far exceed any estimate climate change scientists have been able to muster make it logistically harder to keep things running. In a distant but near future, this idea of "ski resorts" will be a thing of the past in most places as they are highly unsustainable.and will become generally unprofitable, with how much energy and effort it takes to keep them operational in the face of harsher business environments. Ski resorts don't really make money off running people up lifts on the ski slopes. Season pass sales represent a small fraction of the business model in the current corporation based industry. Most ski resorts make more money from real estate sales, vacation rentals, equipment rentals, food and beverage sales, and other hospitality related businesses. What everyone has failed to mention is the cascading effect on smaller independent businesses which support a ski resort, like vehicle rentals, private lodging, and mom and pop businesses which count on making 60-80% of their revenue in a short 4 month window over the winter. This is just much worse than anyone cares to admit.

There is a very valid point that many destination vacation spots at least here in Colorado have been busier than they have ever been and have seen tourism numbers thru the roof, and I do think that people will try to continue to get away from certain cities and locations. However the winter brings a whole other set of hurdles for some of these towns, where before people could occupy camping and other dispersed methods of recreation over the warmer months are now faced with trying to concentrate tourism in centrally located "ski villages". In addition the medical care infrastructure in many of these locations is slim to non, and there is already talks of counties and towns creating limits for tourism to help control the outbreak of deadly viruses in small mountain communities, which are ill equipped to cope with surges in plague laden people.

hippystinxdid you even read my post? Smaller resorts are already struggling with the effects of climate change, let alone a pandemic. Colorado alone sees 30% less snow than it used too. My local ski hill I am from in Pennsylvania bear creek, can't even stay open all winter regularly because it has started to rain so bad it literally turns everything into an un groomable sheet of ice, and they don't have temps for snow-making. That resort used to bank on making 80% of its yearly income over the 2 week Christmas into new years holiday.

I am a betting man, and have done alright investing and predicting futures, I am hedged right now that 2021 will bring its own challenges into the picture which will continue to effect the economy for most in a negative manner.

Burning man is not happening next year and that is in august, and their a pretty loose bunch. No electric forest as of now , no edc, no ultra, no Miami music week, no movement, no coachella, etc. I would expect this condition of life for society to continue for an indefinite foreseeable future, compounded with other factors...things are not looking good for the ski industry as a whole. It is literally a matter of time before the government forces yet another non essential business and service to close for the safety of society.

Side note this is my first year not buying a ski pass since I was 15. 16 years straight of having a season pass every year, this will be my first year just saying fuck it. I don't know if Utah will be implementing a lottery system for passes, but that is what made me say nope in Colorado. The few days I now have off a month to go drive 3 and a half hours to and from Denver to go shred, might not even happen because I don't get the reservation for the day. I used to ski 100-150 days a year, for years, I am just saying the writing is on the wall for the ski industry.

That's a lawsuit waiting to happened...selling season passes people can't even use when the opportunity arises barbecue of the reservation system.

i laugh when some brolorado dumbfuck from the music bidness uses way to many words to let me know he dont know shit about utah and the ski industry
on a side note this will be my 25th pass they give me for free
id ask for an orange name but ill take $70,000 and a good 3000 days of skiing on someone elses dime to the bank
sillytudes main snowmakin water pumps toast and it will take a week or so to git a new one in and runnin
but chicken little conspericy on bros

SFBv420.0i laugh when some brolorado dumbfuck from the music bidness uses way to many words to let me know he dont know shit about utah and the ski industry
on a side note this will be my 25th pass they give me for free
id ask for an orange name but ill take $70,000 and a good 3000 days of skiing on someone elses dime to the bank
sillytudes main snowmakin water pumps toast and it will take a week or so to git a new one in and runnin
but chicken little conspericy on bros

This. Well minus the free pass part.



Trying to compare Colorado and Utah's demographic, geography and weather is like comparing ducks to fucking cows. Dude is talking about Salt Lake City like its the town of Eagle. Brah, Summit county and Utah are two complete different animals. This thread was about Utah and Utah resorts. If we wanted to know about sick house music, lots of pills and a 10:1 guy to girl ratio, we'll ask for your advice.

SFBv420.0i laugh when some brolorado dumbfuck from the music bidness uses way to many words to let me know he dont know shit about utah and the ski industry
on a side note this will be my 25th pass they give me for free
id ask for an orange name but ill take $70,000 and a good 3000 days of skiing on someone elses dime to the bank
sillytudes main snowmakin water pumps toast and it will take a week or so to git a new one in and runnin
but chicken little conspericy on bros

The ski industry is worth about 20 billion dollars globally. Music and live entertainment is worth about 100 billion. Thank you for insulting both me and my intelligence in your post, much appreciated. You might not know as much about the ski industry if you have been a low level mountain staff your entire life as you think you do. Ski resorts were shut down in the blink of an eye when this was just starting. Now that cases are skyrocketing thru the roof as winter hits, public officials hands will be forced. No one is telling you not to go skiing, strap on those skins, or get a sled and go for it. But the whole orchestrated profitable aspect of people concentrating around resort lift access skiing and apres life isn't happening.

skiers ski and will ski this season
hippyturds and
fuckin dumbfuck ravers suck
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thousands-utah-attended-halloween-rave-protest-coronavirus-rules-sheriff-says-n1245777

Build the wall around Utah county.

SFBv420.0skiers ski and will ski this season
hippyturds and
fuckin dumbfuck ravers suck
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thousands-utah-attended-halloween-rave-protest-coronavirus-rules-sheriff-says-n1245777

PBraunsteinThis. Well minus the free pass part.



Trying to compare Colorado and Utah's demographic, geography and weather is like comparing ducks to fucking cows. Dude is talking about Salt Lake City like its the town of Eagle. Brah, Summit county and Utah are two complete different animals. This thread was about Utah and Utah resorts. If we wanted to know about sick house music, lots of pills and a 10:1 guy to girl ratio, we'll ask for your advice.

I have never experienced a worse guy to girl ratio than being involved in the ski industry. I went to the u of u for two years. Lived in Tahoe for a year, and have been in Colorado for 6 years, with 4 of those years in scummit county. All those places frumpy alcoholic women with no real job love to act like they are gods because there is a 10.1 dude to female ratio and they generally have their pick of what ever douche nossel they so choose because said douche nossel just wants any puss they can get their grubby hands on. Even experienced men not being friendly to new commer's because it might impact their crews chances of scoring pussy if theirs more competition. The techno scene hasn't been that way for me personally, partying for Miami music week there was literally more ladies than men.....Sorry my recreational drug habits doesn't include consuming a 30 pack of shitty beer and a handle of fireball on a tuesday at some friends shitty apartment.

SFBv420.0skiers ski and will ski this season
hippyturds and
fuckin dumbfuck ravers suck
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thousands-utah-attended-halloween-rave-protest-coronavirus-rules-sheriff-says-n1245777

that video is like lumping in ski racing and slope syle, or comparing bump skiers to urban.

Logged in after like 5 years to bitch about this. This is 100% Covid-19, Vail, and profit related. I’m not in Utah but the Northeast, yesterday morning Killington cancelled their opening this weekend, by the afternoon mount snow had done the same, claiming warm conditions have made it so there won’t be enough room to socially distance on the mountain, pure bullshit.


They’ve got weeks of snow made, and any other year they would at least a park only. But Vail literally has nothing to lose by not opening until Dec 8th when early season pass holder only riding ends. They literally make no extra money opening until then, they’ve already made that money off the passes regardless of opening. I’ll be waiting to see how this goes, contemplating not using my pass and refunding it for the following year.

I think some of the doom and gloom scenarios here are maybe possible if not likely. Technically no one outside of Vermont is allowed in now without a 14 day quarantine (unless your county falls below a thread hold that none around Vermont currently do.) While they’re saying it’s the honor system, how long will that last? Can Vermont economically survive with a second winter with zero tourists? The resorts will, but the towns and people?

ohhbeckerLogged in after like 5 years to bitch about this. This is 100% Covid-19, Vail, and profit related. I’m not in Utah but the Northeast, yesterday morning Killington cancelled their opening this weekend, by the afternoon mount snow had done the same, claiming warm conditions have made it so there won’t be enough room to socially distance on the mountain, pure bullshit.


They’ve got weeks of snow made, and any other year they would at least a park only. But Vail literally has nothing to lose by not opening until Dec 8th when early season pass holder only riding ends. They literally make no extra money opening until then, they’ve already made that money off the passes regardless of opening. I’ll be waiting to see how this goes, contemplating not using my pass and refunding it for the following year.

I think some of the doom and gloom scenarios here are maybe possible if not likely. Technically no one outside of Vermont is allowed in now without a 14 day quarantine (unless your county falls below a thread hold that none around Vermont currently do.) While they’re saying it’s the honor system, how long will that last? Can Vermont economically survive with a second winter with zero tourists? The resorts will, but the towns and people?

Yeah no, this has nothing to do with COVID. It's been consistently in the 70s in VT this past week, and today it's in the 60s and raining. This is Killington's base as of two days ago, and I imagine it's even worse today:

(can't even get a clear shot in today's webcam because it's too drizzly out)

ohhbeckerLogged in after like 5 years to bitch about this. This is 100% Covid-19, Vail, and profit related.

Why does everyone just not trust anyone anymore? People we trusted last winter, we just don't trust now? C'mon

SFBv420.0i laugh when some brolorado dumbfuck from the music bidness uses way to many words to let me know he dont know shit about utah and the ski industry
on a side note this will be my 25th pass they give me for free
id ask for an orange name but ill take $70,000 and a good 3000 days of skiing on someone elses dime to the bank
sillytudes main snowmakin water pumps toast and it will take a week or so to git a new one in and runnin
but chicken little conspericy on bros

I really like this guy.

207I really like this guy.

same.

Hippy Stinx stop acting like you know whats going on in utah. Those of us who work in the industry inside utah know more than you. We arent Colo, barring a federal shutdown of USFS lands, Utah is gonna stay open. Herbert is an industry patsy and we just got a mask mandate after a year of this shit. Im not saying this is the smart way of going about it, but utah is obviously going the SD route of letting covid run rampant. I personally think Utah needs more stringent protocols as U of Us ICU is full but im not the Gov and im obviously in the minority thinking that in utah.

I spoke with snowbasins GM a month ago and they are expecting it busier than ever this year even with covid. they still have an insane waitlist for the expensive ski lockers and thats all in one large confined space. A lot of people here dont believe in the virus or think the mask mandate (without fines) is stepping on their freedoms, its wild.

hippystinxI have never experienced a worse guy to girl ratio than being involved in the ski industry. I went to the u of u for two years. Lived in Tahoe for a year, and have been in Colorado for 6 years, with 4 of those years in scummit county. All those places frumpy alcoholic women with no real job love to act like they are gods because there is a 10.1 dude to female ratio and they generally have their pick of what ever douche nossel they so choose because said douche nossel just wants any puss they can get their grubby hands on. Even experienced men not being friendly to new commer's because it might impact their crews chances of scoring pussy if theirs more competition. The techno scene hasn't been that way for me personally, partying for Miami music week there was literally more ladies than men.....Sorry my recreational drug habits doesn't include consuming a 30 pack of shitty beer and a handle of fireball on a tuesday at some friends shitty apartment.

The fact that you wrote (what should be) a multi paragraph response taking offence to my jokes aimed at summit county bros, speaks VOLUMES.

ugly dude that lives in a sausage town that thinks doing pills and house music is cool. again, why the fuck would we care about your opinion on ANY thing.

eheathWhy does everyone just not trust anyone anymore? People we trusted last winter, we just don't trust now? C'mon

Last winter is why.

jakeordieLast winter is why.

Alright brother, y'all need to get your heads on straight, last spring is never gonna happen again.

eheathYeah we got 2' of snow on top of dirt dude, we need about 3-4 more of those storms before places like solitude (minimal snow making) will be opened, especially since they are owned by Deer Valley now, who historically doesn't open their resort until they can open like 80% of their runs.

Also a lot of places are waiting till they have enough terrain to spread people out to open this year vs white ribbon of deathing it.