little1337Yeah! Why don't cops just shoot the addicts when they seem them ODing? They should put them out of their misery!
Lol that's not what I'm saying. I should've known that any disagreement with the use of narcan would be interpreted as me thinking that addicts should just die.
DolanReloadedSo youd rather have 5 abstinent ppl alive and 5 addicts dead than 10 addicts alive?
come on man, drugs cost almost nothing when they are made above board on an industrial level. If you had one industrial chemistry plant making pure fentanyl it could make enough to keep the entire worlds population of addicts high for a year for less than a million dollars and a couple months use of the plant.
industrial chemistry is like real life alchemy.
turning cheap chemicals into fentanyl makes you like 1000 times more money than you could make as a successful alchemist turning lead into gold.
just like in breaking bad, except the real walter whites are in china and mexico making fentanyl and carfentanyl and they are earning like 100 times as much money as walter was making in breaking bad. If you make a batch of fentanyl the same size of the batches of meth that walter and jesse made in gus frings lab on breaking bad, it would be worth about 200 million dollars per batch.
Id rather have 5 abstinent people alive and 5 addicts being educated and/or treated by medical and mental health professionals. Or 10, or whatever.
I do think our biggest obstacle with the opiate crisis in our country is drugs like fentanyl being illegally imported and sold in the black market. That shit is fucked.
We are at least making major progress when it comes to holding large pharmaceutical companies accountable; I know that there are many class action lawsuits revolving around over-prescribed opiates. The county i live in is part of one with over 1000 plaintiffs. That's the first step to combating this. I guess narcan is maybe a temporary solution but we can't just narcan our way out of this.
theabortionatorYou're so fucking ignorant it hurts. Go hang out on the porch with old people and talk outdated political ideals.
Remember how we don't invest in treatment both for drugs and mental health?
Oh shit. Idk why people don't just magically get better. Remember when doctors over prescribed incredibly strong opiates then ended up getting everyone from teens with sports injuries to soccer moms addicted?
A lot of the issues woth overdoses stem from the drug war because the quality is a shitshow and now fentanyl crept in.
When some of your close friends die maybe you'll realize how dumb your point of view is. That said you probably won't and you'll keep spouting these bullshit beliefs all your life. Buy a time machine and go back to when you're stupid beliefs at least resinated more.
You're making a lot of wild assumptions about my opinions and personal experiences.
I'm all for treating addiction as a public health crisis rather than a crime problem; we all have a vested interest in a healthy society and I don't mind one bit if my tax dollars get spent on treatment programs for opiate addiction. Its just my personal opinion (I'm aware that it isn't a popular one) that increasing access to narcan decreases risk and consequently will make addicts more likely to continue using. If you talk to heroin addicts, at least where i live, they will tell you that they no longer have much caution when it comes to ODing because they either have narcan or can just call 911 and be saved.
I honestly haven't looked into this enough to know whether or not widespread access of narcan via police and EMTs has been beneficial or not. If someone shows me some data that reflects effectiveness of narcan in decreasing usage, I will happily admit I was dead wrong. But to be clear, im not talking about decreasing OD deaths, because it obviously does that on a short term scale, but who's to say it isn't just prolonging addictions and spreading out the OD deaths over a longer time period?
If you want to continue assuming that I think addicts are worthless and should just be left to die, thats fine (but you're wrong). Giving widespread access to narcan is like slapping a band-aid on a severed femoral artery.
Anyway, abortionator, it's a lot easier to call someone fucking ignorant and assume they don't have relevant life experience than it is to actually have a productive discussion. I hope you cherish your feel-good points for owning me on the interweb.
