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What I don't understand if you have that much cash, why go with a hybrid setup? I guess storage can be an issue - especially if your significant other get annoyed by piles on money leaning on the wall...
I went with hybrid style boots because I needed new resort boots too, but otherwise it seems like the obvious choice was pin bindings and a lighter ski.
skiingskisI basically did the same thing this year.
What I don't understand if you have that much cash, why go with a hybrid setup? I guess storage can be an issue - especially if your significant other get annoyed by piles on money leaning on the wall...
I went with hybrid style boots because I needed new resort boots too, but otherwise it seems like the obvious choice was pin bindings and a lighter ski.
oh that's easy. It's because this guy will go touring maybe once this year, but needs to look like he's ready at all times
Ski jackets are the piece of gear that confuses me the most. I feel like they are kind of a scam unless you live in a place where it rains all the time (New England / PNW) in which case they are pretty important. CO is always like sunny and beautiful and everyone is out there in $500 3L hardshells sweating uncomfortable. I feel like some UA + random flannel I had since 9th grade + a hoodie on top is just way more functional, comfortable, breathable, and costs $0 with the one downside of it sucks if the lift stops and its 40mph winds. Even in like 80% of our storms its a dry 4 inches - you don't need some super fancy jacket.
I don't *think* people like spending money to make their lives worse but I just don't get it.
BigPurpleSkiSuitRetail that is probably about 5k at least.
I feel like if the cash isn't a big issue its kind of whatever. I know people who spend 5k on hotels for a week long trip.
I think we're at ~3-4k on equipment before the season starts, but that's for two people. I get way more out of having nice equipment than a nice hotel and not much traveling to do this year anyway.
Besides, people are honestly crazy stupid about money. Like $600 on new boots is too much, but a 20k car payment is nothing. I'll take fresh equipment and my craigslist cars anyday.
ericformanSki jackets are the piece of gear that confuses me the most. I feel like they are kind of a scam unless you live in a place where it rains all the time (New England / PNW) in which case they are pretty important. CO is always like sunny and beautiful and everyone is out there in $500 3L hardshells sweating uncomfortable. I feel like some UA + random flannel I had since 9th grade + a hoodie on top is just way more functional, comfortable, breathable, and costs $0 with the one downside of it sucks if the lift stops and its 40mph winds. Even in like 80% of our storms its a dry 4 inches - you don't need some super fancy jacket.
I don't *think* people like spending money to make their lives worse but I just don't get it.
I actually wear a hoodie most days now instead of a full jacket.
ericformanSki jackets are the piece of gear that confuses me the most. I feel like they are kind of a scam unless you live in a place where it rains all the time (New England / PNW) in which case they are pretty important. CO is always like sunny and beautiful and everyone is out there in $500 3L hardshells sweating uncomfortable. I feel like some UA + random flannel I had since 9th grade + a hoodie on top is just way more functional, comfortable, breathable, and costs $0 with the one downside of it sucks if the lift stops and its 40mph winds. Even in like 80% of our storms its a dry 4 inches - you don't need some super fancy jacket.
I don't *think* people like spending money to make their lives worse but I just don't get it.
I kinda agree, I typically forgo the shell on the way up when I'm touring and just pace myself to stay warm enough but not get sweaty and then throw on the shell at the top after I've cooled down a bit. But having a shell that breathes well as well as being waterproof enough is super nice when you are doing lift accessed hiking laps or sidecountry, or just don't wanna fuss with strapping your shell to your pack and having another thing to do in the transition or lose all of your warmth every time you stop.
No.QuarterI kinda agree, I typically forgo the shell on the way up when I'm touring and just pace myself to stay warm enough but not get sweaty and then throw on the shell at the top after I've cooled down a bit. But having a shell that breathes well as well as being waterproof enough is super nice when you are doing lift accessed hiking laps or sidecountry, or just don't wanna fuss with strapping your shell to your pack and having another thing to do in the transition or lose all of your warmth every time you stop.
That is fair. Also, having a waterproof shell and puffy is pretty important if you are out of the resort and could end up spending the night in the woods. I was more talking about the generic resorter riding lifts in nice weather wearing a $300 800 fill down and a $500 3L jacket that are not super comfortable.
ericformanThat is fair. Also, having a waterproof shell and puffy is pretty important if you are out of the resort and could end up spending the night in the woods. I was more talking about the generic resorter riding lifts in nice weather wearing a $300 800 fill down and a $500 3L jacket that are not super comfortable.
if you are shredding pow you are gonna stay plenty warm anyway! a light fleece under a light shell is plenty, as long as the waterproofing is sufficient.
ericformanSki jackets are the piece of gear that confuses me the most. I feel like they are kind of a scam unless you live in a place where it rains all the time (New England / PNW) in which case they are pretty important. CO is always like sunny and beautiful and everyone is out there in $500 3L hardshells sweating uncomfortable. I feel like some UA + random flannel I had since 9th grade + a hoodie on top is just way more functional, comfortable, breathable, and costs $0 with the one downside of it sucks if the lift stops and its 40mph winds. Even in like 80% of our storms its a dry 4 inches - you don't need some super fancy jacket.
I don't *think* people like spending money to make their lives worse but I just don't get it.
Damn I wish I could get away with just hoodie.. Any canadian rockies guys out there?? Shit gets coooold real quick
eheathChange what? There will always be gapers buying nice gear, its not an issue unless you've got some serious self esteem problems.
I think it would be cool if the ski industry valued die hard skiers like us instead of rich people, I guess that means I have self esteem problems though
pinkcamo1000I think it would be cool if the ski industry valued die hard skiers like us instead of rich people, I guess that means I have self esteem problems though
They do, it's called getting an job within the ski industry and utilizing the industry discounts.
pinkcamo1000I think it would be cool if the ski industry valued die hard skiers like us instead of rich people, I guess that means I have self esteem problems though
What do you mean "valued"? die hard skiers are one thing, but most people who ski park aren't spending a lot of money on gear, most people on NS buy used equipment/price point gear and dont have the cash to be "valued". Companies focus on rich people because that's who buys their gear, I'm not sure what you're looking for here.
eheathWhat do you mean "valued"? die hard skiers are one thing, but most people who ski park aren't spending a lot of money on gear, most people on NS buy used equipment/price point gear and dont have the cash to be "valued". Companies focus on rich people because that's who buys their gear, I'm not sure what you're looking for here.
Seems like capitalism is the problem to me, publicly owned rope tows are the way forward
pinkcamo1000Seems like capitalism is the problem to me, publicly owned rope tows are the way forward
i'm with you in that i wish skiing were more accessible and less expensive, i'm in the dirtbag skier category and i love the push toward cheaper takes on skiing by people like Vishnu
but in terms of gear, i don't see how else we'd have the things we do. the money and engineering that goes into ski equipment is fucking wild and i doubt it would be able to exist at at this level at decent prices if the only people that bought an item were people that pushed it to its limits
i'm def not the guy who's going to give you a milton friedman style speech on capitalism haha but i think aspects of skiing as a sport are somewhat unavoidably costly. i'm sure we're all envious of skateboarders being able to do their thing literally almost anywhere
I bought all new errything this year and idgaf what the rest of you bums are gonna say when I’m flexin my new kit in the lift line. Feels great to support an industry I really care about!
Titus69Are you asking us? Or did you not see the beacon on the lower right?
Yes, the question mark denotes a question. I have no idea what some of that stuff is. I need a chairlift! ;-)
Well, let's hope someone else will be able to find the beacon in time.
SofaKingSicki'm with you in that i wish skiing were more accessible and less expensive, i'm in the dirtbag skier category and i love the push toward cheaper takes on skiing by people like Vishnu
but in terms of gear, i don't see how else we'd have the things we do. the money and engineering that goes into ski equipment is fucking wild and i doubt it would be able to exist at at this level at decent prices if the only people that bought an item were people that pushed it to its limits
i'm def not the guy who's going to give you a milton friedman style speech on capitalism haha but i think aspects of skiing as a sport are somewhat unavoidably costly. i'm sure we're all envious of skateboarders being able to do their thing literally almost anywhere
I agree, I just think that if we want skiing to be more like skateboarding we need to actually try to make things change. Throwing up our hands and saying "rich tourists are the financial driver of the industry so it's totally fine for resorts to prioritize them!" isn't the way to change things.
pinkcamo1000I agree, I just think that if we want skiing to be more like skateboarding we need to actually try to make things change. Throwing up our hands and saying "rich tourists are the financial driver of the industry so it's totally fine for resorts to prioritize them!" isn't the way to change things.
while that would be the dream it will never happen like this in skiing. skateboarding is its own entity where all of the community has been supporting that same, shared sport since the beginning. meanwhile, us in skiing are a 20 year old minority offshoot of a sport that's existed for over 100 years. we will never be the pinnacle of skiing, we will never be that important to the ski market. and while that presents so many challenges to fostering a long term and sustainable community around the sport, it also is a dope opportunity to be able to be part of a niche community where we can all have a more significant role in the sport overall than if we were all, say, skateboarders.
If you go read the thread that pic was posted on the guy got all the equipment second hand or through pro deals and he acquired his outerwear over a couple years. Y’all gotta chill on calling people out just cause they have nice stuff
pinkcamo1000I agree, I just think that if we want skiing to be more like skateboarding we need to actually try to make things change. Throwing up our hands and saying "rich tourists are the financial driver of the industry so it's totally fine for resorts to prioritize them!" isn't the way to change things.
you’re changing the goalposts a bit here. this has gone from “we don’t care if people want to spend money on gear, spending money on gear funds ski brands and allows the industry to make money and survive” to “resorts should only cater to people rich enough to spend thousands on gear” - no one is saying this.
c0wb0y“resorts should only cater to people rich enough to spend thousands on gear” - no one is saying this.
To be fair eheath does make this argument pretty frequently (in good faith, saying that resorts need to do this to remain profitable as they currently are)
skiing could be super core underground and you’d still have people dumping $$$ on gear they don’t need, they aren’t the problem, it’s companies that target these people as their primary consumer instead of seeing them as a bonus to their bread&butter.
Core skiers may not be the most profitable market but ski companies need to look beyond profit and see that they are way better at advertising the sport then wealthy vacationers. Fuck it’s not like you have to ski 400 days a season and live in a hatchback to want affordable gear either, it’s honestly even more important to people who want to try skiing and don’t want to risk a lot of money on it. It’s a shame the industry can’t get its head out of its ass long enough to realize that long term they stand to make more money if skiing grows its participation, both through more core skiers spending there frugal amounts and wealthy people who aren’t just gonna flee the sport if it becomes even more popular
**This post was edited on Nov 6th 2020 at 8:39:59am
pinkcamo1000you're not wrong but to me these are both arguments for why we need to change the industry
There will always need to be money for the industry to function, most core skiers don't have it, most of these guys do. If they didn't exist neither would we
