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robnowExcept that Shifts outsell Dukes by 50:1 so obviously there's going to be a few more.
Not sure where you live but I can 100% in my area Shifts most definitely do not outsell Duke PTs 50:1, it’s more like 5:1. People who want something that’s fucking beefy, who don’t care about weight, and who don’t want a frame binding, almost always go for the PT in my experience. That said, there’s not as many people like that, as there are people who want a binding that they can tour on occasionally, and aren’t taking any risks or doing high impact things on their skis
FWIW after a couple of seasons on Shifts/BC 120s using them they way it sounds like most people are using them - touring a couple of times per season and spending the rest in the resort - I'm definitely leaning Cast for my next setup. It's already a beefy setup, and I'd appreciate the added security and, presumably, lifespan of the Pivots as a worthwhile tradeoff for an extra 200 grams or so. If I wanted a lighter, backcountry-only setup that still skis well I'd be fine with something like an ATK or Kingpin.
That said, I've found day-to-day resort use of the Shifts comparable to any other non-metal alpine binding aside from the finicky AFD and forward pressure setup.
robnowExcept that Shifts outsell Dukes by 50:1 so obviously there's going to be a few more.
I talked with some industry people and friends, and duke has been super popular and selling WELL, I have more friends buying duke Pt 16s than shifts for 2021 gear.. by far as 0 bought the shift.
getting the duke and stock was more of a concern (as was shift though)
anders_aI talked with some industry people and friends, and duke has been super popular and selling WELL, I have more friends buying duke Pt 16s than shifts for 2021 gear.. by far as 0 bought the shift.
getting the duke and stock was more of a concern (as was shift though)
People have heard all about the durablity issues shift has had. Duke PT hasn't been out a long time, but damn does the binding look secure AF. It's heavy, burly and something I feel I could trust. Shift is something I will never buy because if I blow out of my binding going the speeds I'm going, it can end very poorly.
Fun Fact for the group...The original graphic designer of the Merlin ski, Chester Grays, who is my boss and the VP of Design for K2 Sports did these. While he doesn't have the time to design too many skis with us on the regular, we tapped him in to design the new Mindbender 108TI with Pettit. We had to re-do the files because when this original graphic was made all of the processes and computers that we have now did not exist. No copying old designs here, this is straight from the original artist himself.
“When asked for his design ideas, Pettit suggested they make a super wide single ski and mount the bindings sideways on on it. After a few tweaks and input from the other designers. K2 settled on this!”
tomPietrowski
Incase you guys had not seen this yet.
Are these the same as the regular Mindbenders? I thought they were a really stiff directional ski but I've seen a bunch of swervy park guys like Ez Pvnda and Peter Christensen riding them
Mindbenders were designed to be playful freeride skis. That’s not to say they can’t charge but you can also get all swervy on them if that’s your thing.
RichKidAre these the same as the regular Mindbenders? I thought they were a really stiff directional ski but I've seen a bunch of swervy park guys like Ez Pvnda and Peter Christensen riding them
tomPietrowskiMindbenders were designed to be playful freeride skis. That’s not to say they can’t charge but you can also get all swervy on them if that’s your thing.
I have found quite a huge difference in the Ti vs C models though (obviously enough). Was telling my local rep it’d be amazing if the 108 was a carbon layup like the 116. With how well the carbon models ski as a damper playful option, I honestly don’t see much use for the Tit Anal in the 108’s.
.nastyI have found quite a huge difference in the Ti vs C models though (obviously enough). Was telling my local rep it’d be amazing if the 108 was a carbon layup like the 116. With how well the carbon models ski as a damper playful option, I honestly don’t see much use for the Tit Anal in the 108’s.
two words... East Coast. We get ice and firm conditions and still want something a little wide. My vision 108 hate harder pack days while my rustler 10 charges like no other.
Mindbender 108C in fat boy sizes (186+193) and a Mindbender 116 Ti would both be good options. A 193 Mindbender 116Ti might be enough to replace my Rustlers... Mindbender and Vision are the decent shapes/skis in that garage. A MB 116Ti sounds like a better idea than a Vision 108 with a Blade backbone slapped on.
.nastyI have found quite a huge difference in the Ti vs C models though (obviously enough). Was telling my local rep it’d be amazing if the 108 was a carbon layup like the 116. With how well the carbon models ski as a damper playful option, I honestly don’t see much use for the Tit Anal in the 108’s.
cobra_commanderMindbender 108C in fat boy sizes (186+193) and a Mindbender 116 Ti would both be good options. A 193 Mindbender 116Ti might be enough to replace my Rustlers... Mindbender and Vision are the decent shapes/skis in that garage. A MB 116Ti sounds like a better idea than a Vision 108 with a Blade backbone slapped on.
Yeah I would agree with both, I would love a 108C for sure. I know there are things in the works but I try to keep out of the ski stuff for the most part.
I would rock an ombre boot so hard. If it fit it might even be enough to get me out of three-piece boots haha. I really want to try that Mindbender boot at some point.
cydwhitI would rock an ombre boot so hard. If it fit it might even be enough to get me out of three-piece boots haha. I really want to try that Mindbender boot at some point.
If you like the R3 Cy, I think the MB 130 could potentially work. Ive talked to Tom about this but Ive had probably... 7 or 8 pairs of boots in the last 365 days, because I want something that fits right out of the box (I can do work to them but Im too lazy). So far, the R3 works best for me with a quick liner mold. BUT, I did ski the MB130 and its a fantastic ski boot that is definitely more generous in its volume than the numbers would indicate. The only issue I could potentially see 3-piece loves run in to is the instep, because its definitely not as roomy as an FT or Roxa. But I think K2 has done a fantastic job overhauling their boots, the MB series is one of the best selling at the shop I work at!
cobra_commanderMindbender 108C in fat boy sizes (186+193) and a Mindbender 116 Ti would both be good options. A 193 Mindbender 116Ti might be enough to replace my Rustlers... Mindbender and Vision are the decent shapes/skis in that garage. A MB 116Ti sounds like a better idea than a Vision 108 with a Blade backbone slapped on.
I also agree on the 116ti, it would be such a good ski. That shape is dialed, just not the best inbounds ski due to the construction.
