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tyler1719How often are you touring? If your truly only touring a few times a season just get daymakers...that being said, I run the CAST and I don't think anything else beats it
EPfanboyYeah I’ve looked at the daymakers but i dont think they are right for me and is the cast system hard to use?
BigPurpleSkiSuitI'll be riding a Marker Duke PT 16 on a 70-30 Inbounds v touring setup with my reckoner 112s this year on deeper days when I want to skin for fresh tracks early morning and rip the resort the rest of the day. Cast looks like it's just a better option overall since you are essentially on the pivot 15/18, but I have to go with what's cheaper through a friend since I don't make Newschoolers moderator money.
snowmosexualHave you gotten the dukes yet? How do they look?
BigPurpleSkiSuitToepiece is huge
snowmosexualsexy or nah
.nastyI'm more intrigued on the duke pt than I thought I would be once I got my hands on it. I do like how if you're so inclined, you could even ski downhill in the tech toe/uphill mode, not that that's probably the ultimate goal for the market it's for but it is cool. I'm honestly not surprised that a big brand made something similar to the CAST being that the CAST is gaining popularity and there are people out there who simply want something a more established brand makes. It definitely seems sturdy and strong so I'm excited to try it out.
We all know the CAST is a great system (although can be a bit finicky switching out the toe piece when its balls cold and iced up) so I like that there is a competing option. Even if the duke pt fails, at least it can give the CAST system an opportunity to learn from competition and get even better.
animatorCorrect me if I’m wrong but I’ve fiddled with one on my shop and the tech toe seems further forward than where the toe of the boot would go if it were in downhill mode, meaning that when in uphill mode the heel won’t click in. Did you find otherwise?
ThaLoraxAnybody want to take bets on how many Duke toe pieces get lost this season?
animatorWell like I said at the demo I went to last year I broke one and someone else lost one 😭😭 so it’s fair to say they’re gonna be found once the snow melts
ThaLoraxToo many removable parts. I'm not sure what MDV is thinking if they want people to use their whole cross-brand ecosystem. Between the removable tongues on the Lupo and the removable toe piece on the Duke. I already almost lost my tongue in the backcountry in a no fall zone on top of a couloir. It would have been disatrous had I not caught it. I cannot imagine losing both the toe piece AND the tongue of my boot in a situation like that.
animatorWell like I said at the demo I went to last year I broke one and someone else lost one 😭😭 so it’s fair to say they’re gonna be found once the snow melts
TwigHow did you break one? Just out of interest really, they seem chunky but pretty burly as a result. I'd like to avoid breaking mine if I can!
animatorWhen I was messing with it doing the downhill to uphill conversion I pushed the piece down to pop the toe off and when I went to remove the toe piece completely the metal clips broke. It was a pre production model so 🤷♂️🤷♂️
anders_aI've spent the last few hours playing with the duke pt 16, looks pretty damn solid, AFD sure wont be an issue at least.
TwigFrom memory, yes they are the same toes, visually at least. It's not impossible that there are some changes in materials but I think it's unlikely. @patagonialuke might know for sure.
animatorCorrect me if I’m wrong but I’ve fiddled with one on my shop and the tech toe seems further forward than where the toe of the boot would go if it were in downhill mode, meaning that when in uphill mode the heel won’t click in. Did you find otherwise?
TwigCan confirm that the tech toes are forward. I measure the difference to be 4.5cm. Which means I will be touring from ~2cm in front of true center.
anders_aGentlemen, I give you the marker duke Pt pro 18 hybrid
This means if you have binding freedom or similar you just need a few more holes up front to go touring on any ski. Also means you can save a few grams on griffon heels.
Also means you just need new tracks (fits crampon holder) and new brakes + toe pieces, Not sure they sell thoose separatly though.
Also means the heel is SOLID as it is just a jester 16 basicly, or.. 18 if you want.
New heel track has 60mm'ish of travel, means you can fit a a few 25-30 mondo? boot on same binding/ski.
