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TRVP_ANGELused pieps beacons are about to be real cheap real soon
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
ConesForBreakfastAn airbag won't help you find your friends at all
Profahoben_212Welp this might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
CrunnchyVanManI also rly don't have more than 300 to spend on one.
soupThis question always makes me mad. Don't be a cheapskate to save $100.
Cade2You are a fucking idiot, I hope u don’t end up killing your friends one day
Young_pattyCalm down kid he said he only had $300 to spend on one, it’s a fair question when people don’t have the financial leeway for gear that you do.
soupThis question always makes me mad. Its a device that not only saaves your life, but saves your riding partners lives as well. It shouldn't even be a question on price. You will have the thing for me to five years and you will want it to be top notch every day you go out.
Pipes was the inexpensive beacon choice and look what's happening with them now. Don't be a cheapskate to save $100.
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
broken_skier0An airbag has a better chance of saving your life than a beacon. According to a Canadian study, most completely buried avalanche victims will be dead within 10 minutes.
https://earnyourturns.com/9079/avalanche-survival-time-reduced/
broken_skier0As I posted above, in a completely buried avalanche, your friends will probably be dead within 10-18 minutes. Let's split the difference between the Canadian and Swiss studies and call it 14 minutes before death. Even if they have a beacon, can you locate them and dig out access to air in under 14 minutes? Unless, you are highly trained, the answer is probably not. The science shows airbags work. If your friends don't ski with an airbag and die, that's on them for going out without proper safety equipment.
**This post was edited on Oct 18th 2020 at 10:10:58pm
**This post was edited on Oct 18th 2020 at 10:13:37pm
broken_skier0As I posted above, in a completely buried avalanche, your friends will probably be dead within 10-18 minutes. Let's split the difference between the Canadian and Swiss studies and call it 14 minutes before death. Even if they have a beacon, can you locate them and dig out access to air in under 14 minutes? Unless, you are highly trained, the answer is probably not. The science shows airbags work. If your friends don't ski with an airbag and die, that's on them for going out without proper safety equipment.
**This post was edited on Oct 18th 2020 at 10:10:58pm
**This post was edited on Oct 18th 2020 at 10:13:37pm
broken_skier0As I posted above, in a completely buried avalanche, your friends will probably be dead within 10-18 minutes. Let's split the difference between the Canadian and Swiss studies and call it 14 minutes before death. Even if they have a beacon, can you locate them and dig out access to air in under 14 minutes? Unless, you are highly trained, the answer is probably not. The science shows airbags work. If your friends don't ski with an airbag and die, that's on them for going out without proper safety equipment.
**This post was edited on Oct 18th 2020 at 10:10:58pm
**This post was edited on Oct 18th 2020 at 10:13:37pm
soupAs you suggest him two beacons also out of his budget? I stand by my post man it's a serious problem in the industry. Buy a nice beacon, a great probe, and the best shovel. Those three items alone tell me so much about a ski partner. I've bailed on days based on gear choices because I can not trust you in a rescue situation.
Young_pattyCalm down kid he said he only had $300 to spend on one, it’s a fair question when people don’t have the financial leeway for gear that you do.
OP checkout the BCA tracker 3 package, you get a shovel, probe and beacon for $360. Ik it’s out of your budget but it’s an all around good beacon and you’ll need a probe and shovel too so peep the bundle
https://www.snowinn.com/ski-store/bca-t3-rescue-package/137742625/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=11607999&country=us&gclid=CjwKCAjwz6_8BRBkEiwA3p02VZQzkKUDCgsDzqQDK1zmu5-IErtSzkfAf9b37GuKpskeo8PuXfVf7xoCOboQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
or there’s the Tracker S but it’s more $$ but it’s the more current tech
https://www.rei.com/product/138361/backcountry-access-t-s-transceiver-probe-shovel-rescue-package-2019?CAWELAID=120217890007989243&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=100913262917&CATCI=pla-447612906405&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_1383610001%7C92700053582162051%7CTOF%7C71700000066692708&gclid=CjwKCAjwz6_8BRBkEiwA3p02VbOUepN_t7NYJkvalEZNFOcGN_x30at6gmLD9MFsW6dZCZYye67hWhoCSl4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
soupAs you suggest him two beacons also out of his budget? I stand by my post man it's a serious problem in the industry. Buy a nice beacon, a great probe, and the best shovel. Those three items alone tell me so much about a ski partner. I've bailed on days based on gear choices because I can not trust you in a rescue situation.
SkibumsmithThe absolute best use of your money when it comes to avy gear is educating yourself. Whether it's through literature or taking courses, there is no substitute for bettering your knowledge about what's going on under your feet.
As a rule you should not be going into the backcountry without a beacon/shovel/probe. The data does show that an airbag is also a worthy investment, and you can debate which piece of equipment saves more lives, but the avalanche community has decided that at the very least you must carry the equipment that will allow you to locate each other in a burial situation.
Your goal should not be to obtain the fanciest gear. It should be to obtain the most knowledge about avalanches and how to avoid them. If you ever find yourself if a situation where you're using your gear for anything other than practice, you've already fucked up.
broken_skier0An airbag has a better chance of saving your life than a beacon. According to a Canadian study, most completely buried avalanche victims will be dead within 10 minutes.
https://earnyourturns.com/9079/avalanche-survival-time-reduced/
CrunnchyVanManI'd rather have the necessary shit to save my buds than be that dumbass who gets an airbag and acts invincible, yes its a lifesaving piece of equipment but to place it on a priority over knowledge and rescue gear is ill advised, that shit is more expensive than almost any probe-shovel-beacon combo you could come up with too. like, say if my friend who couldn't afford an airbag and only has a beacon gets buried how am I supposed to help if all I have is an airbag and not rescue gear to get them out
Cade2Shut up and go take an avy class before you spew shit on the internet that could potentially kill people, we all know who you are voting for in November
broken_skier0If your friend can't afford an airbag, he has no business being in the backcountry, where there's avy danger.
**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2020 at 11:24:02am
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
TRVP_ANGELhttps://www.reddit.com/r/watchpeoplesurvive/comments/jdzaur/avalanche_rescue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Full burial even with avalanche bag deployed? HOW CAN THIS BE???
**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2020 at 2:13:24pm
ConesForBreakfastTo be fair, she was pretty close to the surface, and face up. The bag likely helped a lot with that. She was lucky she had friends who clearly knew what they were doing and had all the other required gear, not just air bags.
grantlewis_dntmwhat a lame ass response, leave politics out of irrelevant stuff like this. its extremely ignorant and childish to base somebody's party preferences on dumb stuff like this
SkiingNinjaTo be more helpful to the OP, here's some quick advice about beacons:
- Stay away from used. If you get a used beacon, send it to the manufacturer to check it out. They usually do it for free; you may have to pay shipping. It may need an upgrade on the firmware or may not be reading signals accurately. Better to know this now versus when you're in the field and your beacon an only go down to three meters (it happens).
- Get a beacon with three antennas. This is standard in this day and age.
- If you want more advanced features like flagging or signal suppression, price starts going up. This can be extremely valuable in a multiple burial situation. These are more advanced skills and require work to get competent with.
- Perhaps most importantly, make sure you learn how to use it. There are tons of resources that manufacturers have but actually practice. Every fall, I go to Boulder Reservoir and we bury beacons in the sand and practice honing in on signals. It's easy to do this when snow falls; some resorts or national even have beacon parks.
- Know how to do a proper trailhead check to reduce human error.
- Make sure you put alkaline batteries in there from name-brand battery companies. Don't cheap out here.
broken_skier0If you could only afford one, I would rather have an airbag than a beacon. An airbag prevents you from getting buried. A beacon helps your bros locate you faster.
broken_skier0If your friend can't afford an airbag, he has no business being in the backcountry, where there's avy danger.
**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2020 at 11:24:02am
TRVP_ANGELhttps://www.reddit.com/r/watchpeoplesurvive/comments/jdzaur/avalanche_rescue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Full burial even with avalanche bag deployed? HOW CAN THIS BE???
**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2020 at 2:13:24pm
freestyler540Airbags wont save you in hard pack slab slides. Airbags wont save you from hitting a tree on the way down, nor will it save you from falling off a cliff and getting burries afterwards. These are the most common ways to die in an avalanche. Airbags are more of a luxury item than an essential tool. They are expensive, bulky and goddamn heavy. Airbags can kill too. There was one case where the waist belt broke, flipped over the head and pressed down on his head and the guy suffocated after it was deployed.
The best tools in the backcountry is your brain; if there is a higher risk of a slide, you shouldnt be there in the first place. The best backcountry skiier is the one that is able to turn back on a project due to poor conditions, not by feeling invicible because of the gear they wear. Beacon, probe, shovel and course is the minimum. They save lives. If you cant afford that, you have no business in the BC.
In 9 years skiing 100+ days, Ive been skiing the Kootenays, Ive only experienced 2 slides, never being caught in one. None of my friends ever got buried when I was around.
broken_skier0They weren't fully buried. Their head was still above the snowpack. The airbag may have saved their life.
CrunnchyVanManI will buy all your Peips beacons and ill just wear them all, one of them has got to work right. right?
broken_skier0If your friend can't afford an airbag, he has no business being in the backcountry, where there's avy danger.
**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2020 at 11:24:02am
CrunnchyVanManAny good reccs on good reliable beacons that are on the inexpensive side? Like obviously I don't wanna spend too little and get something shitty that will get me fucked by an avvy cuz I know theres a price to safety threshold but I also rly don't have more than 300 to spend on one.
skeirmanSee this is the problem.
Please just skip the backcountry. Please.
