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Economics question: why are specialized markets with plenty of manufacturers (like disco lights) not more competitively priced?

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dolanslebensraum
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Take this moving head light from martin.



it is a fantastic light, but its about 1000 times less complicated than a car for the same price. Even a 1000$ smart phone is orders of magnitude more complicated than this light and probably took thousands of times more engineering hours to design than the light.

The light literally consists of a powerful bulb, a few rotating wheels and movable lenses, and a powerful fan.

i understand that in niche markets the vendor can more easily pricerape the customer, but why dont the 10 or 15 disco light manufacturers in the world compete with eachother more on price?


i recently bought this puppy so i can have a dance party in my kitchen. Its pretty sweet and i got a pretty good deal bc these guys are usually 1400$.



https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/974212/RUSH-MH-5-Profile

I dont know if any of you guys used to enjoy going to Nightclubs to dance to techno under the lights but covid has me bouncing off the walls dying to get some good light effects going so i can break it down in my house.


i got a full refund via my credit card company for the last light i bought from china which was defective and the chinamen didnt even ask for it back so i got it for free.
Pm me if interested. Only thing that doesnt work is the soundactive mode. The light still runs great autoplay shows with tons of effects.


**This thread was edited on Sep 27th 2020 at 11:38:21pm
Sep 27 2020 11:32PM
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MoneyMakerMike
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Dolan loves disco
Sep 27 2020 11:33PM
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TheMoostafian
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rice.chexDolan loves disco

The plot thickens...
Sep 27 2020 11:47PM
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TheMoostafian
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What are the capability differences between the two lights? To me, and I'm assuming most people who haven't set up commercial lighting , they look the same.

Also, are there any rare metals or any other costly components involved in manufacturing?

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Sep 27 2020 11:49PM
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dolanslebensraum
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rice.chexDolan loves disco

I feel like alot of you newschoolers would be good dancers, bc park skiing requires coordination and athleticism, both of which are huge gas tanks for dancing. I think with good music that moves you (eg, not country) and some good flashing lights to make you feel out of your body more, dancing and improving at dancing is really easy and fun, even without molly.

I heard Evan knows how to afterbang on the dance floor. Ive never seen it, but ive heard stories from girls who creamed their pants when they saw it.
Sep 27 2020 11:58PM
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dolanslebensraum
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TheMoostafianWhat are the capability differences between the two lights? To me, and I'm assuming most people who haven't set up commercial lighting , they look the same.

Also, are there any rare metals or any other costly components involved in manufacturing?

**This post was edited on Sep 27th 2020 at 11:51:37pm

The more expensive professional lights just have more effects and colors and a brighter bulb but a 15,000$ light is not 15 times better than a 1000$ light. The prices just soar when you get towards the top end.
Sep 28 2020 12:01AM
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MoneyMakerMike
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DolanReloadedI feel like alot of you newschoolers would be good dancers, bc park skiing requires coordination and athleticism, both of which are huge gas tanks for dancing. I think with good music that moves you (eg, not country) and some good flashing lights to make you feel out of your body more, dancing and improving at dancing is really easy and fun, even without molly.

I heard Evan knows how to afterbang on the dance floor. Ive never seen it, but ive heard stories from girls who creamed their pants when they saw it.


not hating, dance parties can be lit
Sep 28 2020 12:06AM
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TheMoostafian
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DolanReloadedThe more expensive professional lights just have more effects and colors and a brighter bulb but a 15,000$ light is not 15 times better than a 1000$ light. The prices just soar when you get towards the top end.


Sounds like the high end lights are somewhat esoteric, kind of like a RED camera.
Sep 28 2020 12:23AM
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Casey
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Asking why about economics is kind of like asking why about evolution, if your analysis doesn’t match reality maybe rethink how you got there because it is what it is...
Sep 28 2020 12:39AM
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dolanslebensraum
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TheMoostafianSounds like the high end lights are somewhat esoteric, kind of like a RED camera.

Yeah i remember asking a similar question of why red cameras were so expensive. But in disco lighting its not like there is a functionally insane difference between a 1000$ light and a 15,000$ light. The engineering of disco lights is pretty ham fisted. Its not like an iphone with 2 billion transistors and thousands of parts. I dont get how theres such price gouging for top end lights when theres so much competition.
Sep 28 2020 12:52AM
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dolanslebensraum
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CaseyAsking why about economics is kind of like asking why about evolution, if your analysis doesn’t match reality maybe rethink how you got there because it is what it is...

Fair point. I think it could be because disco lights have been a thing since the 80s and making a good disco light with 80s technology might have been really hard and led to high prices that equate with 15k today.



but look at it like smart phones. A good smartphone costs 800-1000$. The top of the line phones from samsung are 1500$. 1500$ is not 15 times higher than 800$.

i got good answers from other econ related questions from guys here and i thought id ask them again assuming they all dont hate me by now and are plotting to kill me.
Sep 28 2020 1:02AM
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MiIfHunter
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Don’t you have any friends in real life to talk to, hang out with, or text?

Honestly, I feel bad for you kid, like you are just sad and pathetic, and you are looking for something or trying to get something out of this site that I don’t think has the means to support you or offer you.

Ask your broke ass parents if you got any to help you out with the finding counselling or therapy resources in your local area.
Sep 28 2020 8:07AM
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Sep 28 2020 11:56AM
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abar.
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Is Dolan beginning to lose his faith in our lord and savior capitalism?
Sep 28 2020 4:04PM
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dolanslebensraum
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abar.Is Dolan beginning to lose his faith in our lord and savior capitalism?

Adding socialism to your problem is like spraying agent orange on your garden to kill weeds.



your garden dies, and you get cancer.
Sep 28 2020 8:04PM
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TOAST.
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Less of a market for the features it has? Low quantity produced so not as much saved in manufacturing? Does the company offer better support/warranty?
The industry that I work in is nowhere near the technology level that is in cars today, but our prices are way higher. It's pretty fricken impressive that cars are as cheap as they are.
Sep 28 2020 9:08PM
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armchair_skier
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WHO ARE YOU?
Sep 28 2020 9:22PM
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vibecheck
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ah I see you are a man of culture as well
Sep 28 2020 9:27PM
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little1337
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This sounds like a homework question
Sep 29 2020 12:00AM
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clindblomskier
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Less of a market for disco lights so less competition/more monopolized market and price gouging pretty simple
Sep 29 2020 10:45PM
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Ur weird
Sep 30 2020 3:17AM
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dolanslebensraum
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clindblomskierLess of a market for disco lights so less competition/more monopolized market and price gouging pretty simple

There seems to be loads of competition though, at least from all the researching ive been doing lately.
Oct 7 2020 12:42AM
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dolanslebensraum
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TOAST.Less of a market for the features it has? Low quantity produced so not as much saved in manufacturing? Does the company offer better support/warranty?
The industry that I work in is nowhere near the technology level that is in cars today, but our prices are way higher. It's pretty fricken impressive that cars are as cheap as they are.

What industry do u work in good sir or madam?
Oct 7 2020 12:44AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Also, an update, the light i got (martin rush mh5 profile) is a fucking festival of pwnage. Its led engine is bright as fuck and the effects are pure eye candy. More than enough power and quality.

here are some pics






Its like the engineering equivalent of molly.
Oct 7 2020 12:53AM
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MiIfHunter
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Ur a fucking loser
DolanReloadedAlso, an update, the light i got (martin rush mh5 profile) is a fucking festival of pwnage. Its led engine is bright as fuck and the effects are pure eye candy. More than enough power and quality.

here are some pics






Its like the engineering equivalent of molly.
Oct 7 2020 7:49AM
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Dougie_Fresh
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TheMoostafianWhat are the capability differences between the two lights? To me, and I'm assuming most people who haven't set up commercial lighting , they look the same.

Also, are there any rare metals or any other costly components involved in manufacturing?

**This post was edited on Sep 27th 2020 at 11:51:37pm


the $15,000 dollar lights are meant to be coded and structured into a rhythm for massive dance festivals with lighting budgets topping off around a few million, they use computers to move and sync the lights with the music along with pyrotechnics, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoyhaQ196Nk.
Oct 7 2020 8:26AM
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MiIfHunter
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The guy in that video doesn’t even understand the technology he is trying to teach
Dougie_Freshthe $15,000 dollar lights are meant to be coded and structured into a rhythm for massive dance festivals with lighting budgets topping off around a few million, they use computers to move and sync the lights with the music along with pyrotechnics, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoyhaQ196Nk.
Oct 7 2020 12:23PM
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samslax
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I'm talking out of my ass but:

specialized market = small volume of sales = higher cost per unit
Oct 9 2020 12:54AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Dougie_Freshthe $15,000 dollar lights are meant to be coded and structured into a rhythm for massive dance festivals with lighting budgets topping off around a few million, they use computers to move and sync the lights with the music along with pyrotechnics, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoyhaQ196Nk.

Nice derail attempt.



im just going to ask this question- how would it look if a honda crv cost 25k and a tesla cost 375 thousand minimum?

to me that would seem weird, even considering lights and cars are very different markets.
Oct 10 2020 3:00AM
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