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Vail sees 18% increase in pass sales for 2021 season

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Chunderface
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Vail: Sold 18% more passes so far this year... at a 4% drop in sales dollars.

"Season pass sales through September 18, 2020 for the upcoming 2020/2021 North American ski season increased approximately 18% in units and decreased approximately 4% in sales dollars as compared to the period in the prior year through September 20, 2019, with sales dollars for this year reduced by the value of the redeemed credits provided to 2019/2020 North American pass holders. Without deducting for the value of the redeemed credits, sales dollars increased approximately 24% compared to the prior year."

Fucking Vail man.

**This thread was edited on Sep 25th 2020 at 1:56:56am
Sep 25 2020 1:49AM
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graemechiltonn
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Are they planning just to keep one mountain open?
Sep 25 2020 1:51AM
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eheath
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What's the point of this thread? I would imagine more people are buying passes for their vacations because of the free pass insurance this year. In the past, some people wouldn't worry about their passes until they arrived, with covid more people are planning ahead of time so in turn they sold more passes.

Also, outdoor recreation has been growing since covid started, so not a surprise more people are interested in going outside this winter.
Sep 25 2020 10:46AM
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clorox
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eheathWhat's the point of this thread? I would imagine more people are buying passes for their vacations because of the free pass insurance this year. In the past, some people wouldn't worry about their passes until they arrived, with covid more people are planning ahead of time so in turn they sold more passes.

Also, outdoor recreation has been growing since covid started, so not a surprise more people are interested in going outside this winter.


And the fact that a huge number of people are able to work from home, it wouldn't surprise me if more people were living in ski towns for the winter.
Sep 25 2020 10:52AM
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SkiBum.
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It’s already happening. I live in Park City. Past 6 month home sales are skyrocketing. Second and third homes are now primary homes. I’d assume the same is happening in other ski and mountain towns.
finderAnd the fact that a huge number of people are able to work from home, it wouldn't surprise me if more people were living in ski towns for the winter.
Sep 25 2020 10:54AM
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clorox
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SkiBum.It’s already happening. I live in Park City. Past 6 month home sales are skyrocketing. Second and third homes are now primary homes. I’d assume the same is happening in other ski and mountain towns.

Yeah I barely secured a place to stay in Waterville for the winter. I wasn't really price gouged but I heard it was a bit higher than in past years.
Sep 25 2020 11:01AM
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Chunderface
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Why are you always such an asshole? There's been a lot of discussion about this upcoming season and the changes we will see because of Covid, about reservations, about whether or not the numbers will be up or down, etc.
eheathWhat's the point of this thread? I would imagine more people are buying passes for their vacations because of the free pass insurance this year. In the past, some people wouldn't worry about their passes until they arrived, with covid more people are planning ahead of time so in turn they sold more passes.

Also, outdoor recreation has been growing since covid started, so not a surprise more people are interested in going outside this winter.
Sep 25 2020 11:15AM
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eheath
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skeirmanWhy are you always such an asshole? There's been a lot of discussion about this upcoming season and the changes we will see because of Covid, about reservations, about whether or not the numbers will be up or down, etc.


You're assuming I'm being an asshole, you didn't state anything but "fuck vail" in the body of your post, so I wanted to know what the point of this thread was, calm down bud.

You kind of answered my question but I'll just leave you alone.
Sep 25 2020 11:27AM
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skiminnesota
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I was too worried about not being able to get a reservation last minute at PC so even though i can see canyons from my window, no epic pass for me this year.
Sep 25 2020 12:05PM
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Chunderface
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Yeah, would think a lot of people would do same but nope.
skiminnesotaI was too worried about not being able to get a reservation last minute at PC so even though i can see canyons from my window, no epic pass for me this year.
Sep 25 2020 12:09PM
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GayWolf420
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SkiBum.It’s already happening. I live in Park City. Past 6 month home sales are skyrocketing. Second and third homes are now primary homes. I’d assume the same is happening in other ski and mountain towns.

This. I work for one of the private club developments and real estate + land sales are waaaay ahead of their anticipated forecast along with homes that are rarely occupied maybe a week out of the year being full-time residences now. Its like its own 2nd town up here, its crazy. And our golf course is essentially a municipal one though its pricey greens fees or membership only, so people are not looking to stop recreating any time soon up here. PCMR/Canyons are gonna be hella busy this season, and theyre workforce is fucked if they get a rush on top of that lol. Maybe they'll all go ski Deer Valley instead.
skiminnesotaI was too worried about not being able to get a reservation last minute at PC so even though i can see canyons from my window, no epic pass for me this year.


skeirmanYeah, would think a lot of people would do same but nope.

I think most people who just moved here for whatever reason or the many 2nd/3rd homeowners who are now permanent residences are going to buy passes, along with some already-existing full time residents, but atleast for me, ive been here a while and have had plenty of good winters already so its NBD sitting this one out a little bit and skiing the resorts a few times a month maybe w/ a 10-pack or something. some skiing is better than none but at least at the other resorts, its still absurd what theyre charging even with pass insurance and a refund option. thats a deposit that can be used for touring gear or other things. Maybe theyll offer late-season pass options which would be cool. Skiing from Nov-Jan is going to be wack anyways

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2020 at 2:09:14pm
Sep 25 2020 2:06PM
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hi_vis360
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skeirmanWhy are you always such an asshole? There's been a lot of discussion about this upcoming season and the changes we will see because of Covid, about reservations, about whether or not the numbers will be up or down, etc.

eheath: is moderator of skiing website
Skeirman: makes thread about skiing
eheath: WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS THREAD???
Sep 25 2020 5:11PM
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Paul.
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eheathWhat's the point of this thread?


Maybe to discuss skiing related topics with other skiers on a skiing forum? Of course you already know how everything will pan out this year so why should anyone else try to discuss it...
Sep 25 2020 5:17PM
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eheath
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pinkcamo1000eheath: is moderator of skiing website
Skeirman: makes thread about skiing
eheath: WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS THREAD???


Thats not the actual skierman
Sep 25 2020 5:24PM
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eheath
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Paul.Maybe to discuss skiing related topics with other skiers on a skiing forum? Of course you already know how everything will pan out this year so why should anyone else try to discuss it...


Which we did discuss it, i just asked a question, why do people like you come out of nowhere and try to shit on me? miss me with that shit
Sep 25 2020 5:25PM
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hi_vis360
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eheathThats not the actual skierman


lol I know that dude this isn't my first time on here
Sep 25 2020 5:48PM
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warm_diet_coke
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eheathWhich we did discuss it, i just asked a question, why do people like you come out of nowhere and try to shit on me? miss me with that shit

probably because you’re unnecessarily rude to people bro
Sep 25 2020 6:29PM
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eheath
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pinkcamo1000lol I know that dude this isn't my first time on here


Haha gotcha, alot of people think/thought he was at first
Sep 25 2020 6:38PM
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eheath
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SwitchPizza69probably because you’re unnecessarily rude to people bro

Member Since: January 2020

Huh?
Sep 25 2020 6:39PM
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Paul.
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eheathwhy do people like you come out of nowhere and try to shit on me? miss me with that shit



eheathMember Since: January 2020

Huh?


Maybe it’s cause you say shit like this. Idk, people like me probably expect the head moderator to be friendly and welcoming, rather than treating people that make threads like idiots and making fun of new members cause they havent had an account for as long as you
Sep 25 2020 8:29PM
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f100prerunner
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pinkcamo1000eheath: is moderator of skiing website
Skeirman: makes thread about skiing
eheath: WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS THREAD???

Dude hates threads on his own website lol
Sep 25 2020 8:40PM
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eheath
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Paul.Maybe it’s cause you say shit like this. Idk, people like me probably expect the head moderator to be friendly and welcoming, rather than treating people that make threads like idiots and making fun of new members cause they havent had an account for as long as you

So if someone talks shit to me, I'm not support to respond in a negative way because I'm a mod? C'mon bro, you've been on this site long enough. I'm perfectly nice to people who are nice to me, I certainly have times of stirring the pot and trolling, but trying to call me out for not being welcoming to new members is a stretch dude.
Sep 25 2020 8:49PM
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PeppermillReno
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People who support covid restrictions (because they benefit from them and are absolute liars when they claim fear or valuing life) but go skiing this winter are absolute scum.

We are on the brink of societal collapse and these pieces of shit want to keep the nonsense going so they don't have to return to an office.
Sep 25 2020 11:20PM
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blazeonyia
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Anyone who received a credit from last season had to use it or lose it. With VR extending the cancel date to December 6th it was a no-brainer to renew your pass. A lot of people have done this though they will cancel if VR sticks with the reservation system.

That also goes for families getting the pass for a vacation this season--if they can't get the week they need ahead of time they will not get the hotel, ski school, etc. they will just cancel their pass. My friend has two little kids and he said he can't even plan a couple of days in advance to get them on the mountain because one of them will get sick or something will come up.

Factor in the probability that the majority of international travel will still be locked down, and you can see these numbers are grossly inflated. VR just had their first bad quarter in a while and they're trying to drum up some good press (via BS pass numbers) around their money-losing reservation system.
Sep 26 2020 2:25AM
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little1337
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PeppermillRenoPeople who support covid restrictions (because they benefit from them and are absolute liars when they claim fear or valuing life) but go skiing this winter are absolute scum.

We are on the brink of societal collapse and these pieces of shit want to keep the nonsense going so they don't have to return to an office.


Or because being in an office sitting 3 feet from other people is way more of a risk than being outside skiing
Sep 26 2020 7:17AM
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PeppermillReno
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little1337Or because being in an office sitting 3 feet from other people is way more of a risk than being outside skiing


Its not about risk. You are pushing for economic collapse with the virus lockdown nonsense and widespread homelessness and unemployment... while you WFH and roll up to the ski hill.

Stay the fuck home if that is the side you are on in this. Covid is fucking nonsense and poses virtually zero risk to anyone healthy enough to ski.
Sep 26 2020 11:34AM
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hi_vis360
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PeppermillRenoIts not about risk. You are pushing for economic collapse with the virus lockdown nonsense and widespread homelessness and unemployment... while you WFH and roll up to the ski hill.

Stay the fuck home if that is the side you are on in this. Covid is fucking nonsense and poses virtually zero risk to anyone healthy enough to ski.


dude I'm an essential worker and I have been working 40 to 50 hours a week through the whole pandemic and I support social distancing measures and mask wearing. Skiing is one of the easiest sports to social distance and everybody wears a face mask anyway. It's nowhere near as risky as going to a bar or a dine-in restaurant.

I think there is some truth to what you're saying though, a whole lot of white collar WFH people are completely disconnected from the reality that most people don't have a choice between going to work and staying at home. But saying that everyone who supports measures to curb the spread of the virus is working from home is just false.
Sep 26 2020 11:46AM
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PeppermillReno
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pinkcamo1000dude I'm an essential worker and I have been working 40 to 50 hours a week through the whole pandemic and I support social distancing measures and mask wearing. Skiing is one of the easiest sports to social distance and everybody wears a face mask anyway. It's nowhere near as risky as going to a bar or a dine-in restaurant.

I think there is some truth to what you're saying though, a whole lot of white collar WFH people are completely disconnected from the reality that most people don't have a choice between going to work and staying at home. But saying that everyone who supports measures to curb the spread of the virus is working from home is just false.


Yeah.

But its a slippery slope.

'Let me get first chair but don't open the bar keep those people out of work covid could spread' etc etc.
Sep 26 2020 12:42PM
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VT_scratch
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PeppermillRenoYeah.

But its a slippery slope.

'Let me get first chair but don't open the bar keep those people out of work covid could spread' etc etc.


im sure resorts already have plans to modify setups for outdoor bars this season. by no means can they replace all on-hill restairants etc but im sure ppl will still get their apres fixes one way or another.
Sep 26 2020 1:20PM
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VT_scratch
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oh damn!
Sep 26 2020 3:54PM
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skiminnesota
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DeebieSkeebiesThis. I work for one of the private club developments and real estate + land sales are waaaay ahead of their anticipated forecast along with homes that are rarely occupied maybe a week out of the year being full-time residences now. Its like its own 2nd town up here, its crazy. And our golf course is essentially a municipal one though its pricey greens fees or membership only, so people are not looking to stop recreating any time soon up here. PCMR/Canyons are gonna be hella busy this season, and theyre workforce is fucked if they get a rush on top of that lol. Maybe they'll all go ski Deer Valley instead.



I think most people who just moved here for whatever reason or the many 2nd/3rd homeowners who are now permanent residences are going to buy passes, along with some already-existing full time residents, but atleast for me, ive been here a while and have had plenty of good winters already so its NBD sitting this one out a little bit and skiing the resorts a few times a month maybe w/ a 10-pack or something. some skiing is better than none but at least at the other resorts, its still absurd what theyre charging even with pass insurance and a refund option. thats a deposit that can be used for touring gear or other things. Maybe theyll offer late-season pass options which would be cool. Skiing from Nov-Jan is going to be wack anyways

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2020 at 2:09:14pm


oh totally ive got a sled / bc gear / no shortage of winter fun but canyons has always been my "lazy sunday"
Sep 30 2020 2:30AM
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Fuck boys
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