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t-man152
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I hate Truth so much they keep on making these commercials to try to stop people from smoking. when they do so they give us facts like 'Big Tobaco spends millions to get kids hooked onto their cigarettes' I doubt thats true tobaco companies cant advertise on TV or on school property or anything, and buying cigs when your under 18 is not that easy. I dont ever get a Malboro add telling me that I should smoke yet I have some people telling me how mean the people who run tobaco companies are. they have a relatively recent add campaign where these people set up a stage in front of a tobaco building and then they screem out questions like 'why do you sell a product that kills your customers?' and then they show a stage where the people who should answer the question should be and its empty. if someone had come down and spoken on behalf of the tobaco company they wouldnt have been able to show them on TV because it would have been a pro-tabaco response.

I find this extremely unfair one side is allowed to bad mouth the other side and give information that they pulled out of their asses or changed to fit their needs yet the side that is being talked about is not aloud to defend themselves.

I guess what im trying to say is that tobaco companies are not to blame if someone smokes and dies because of smoking its not their fault. they sell a product for those who want to use it they know the risks its been beeten into them senslicely since a very young age and if they die the tobaco company is not to blame in the same way that gun companies are not responsible for murders
Mar 10 2005 6:14PM
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t-man152
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smog is definitly worst than second hand smoke and personally I more often accidentally inhale smog than second hand smoke. and people who inhale polution and smog have lungs that would look identical to second hand smokers. I understand and respect your opinion but this discussion is not going to be able to continue in a constructive way since you think I am an idiot and do not respect any of my opinions.

Its fine to dissagree with someone infact thats what makes life so interesting but considering people who dont have the same view as you and dont beleive in the same things as you idiots is very childish and close minded.
Mar 10 2005 10:51PM
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Sharpy
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I do not agree with you, but that is not why I am calling you an idiot. I am calling you an idiot because you do not observe facts. You make shit up and then anything that disproves your point you just make up something else.

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Mar 10 2005 10:53PM
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t-man152
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I made none of the things In my arguments up. if the reason you are calling me an idiot is because you do not beleive me just post whatever you dont beleive and I will site some sources which you can beleive or not but they do not come from the top of my head.

so just tell me what you need cleared up and I will give you the source.

as for me not beleiving in second hand smoking causing all those deaths its the same thing as global warming you will find some sources saying it is fact others saying it is fiction
Mar 10 2005 10:58PM
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Sharpy
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'Mcdonalds is addictive check out 'Supersize me' The guy got addicted and even went through withdrawal.'

not true


'personally I dont beleive in second hand smoke I mean people dying of lung cancer when they dont smoke could be tons of reasons:
1-they could be lying about not smoking for one,
2-They could be breathing in smog from cars. im sure theres alot more of that than smoking
3they could be breathing in any of the other thousands of fucked up things in our air.'

prove any of this


'smog is definitly worst than second hand smoke'

'people who inhale polution and smog have lungs that would look identical to second hand smokers'

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Mar 10 2005 11:04PM
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jarossamdb7
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everyones an idiot in this case. big tobacco companies are bullshit and should go out of buisness, but on the other hand, if your stupid enough to smoke a sig, you can die and its not gonna be a big suprise. the deal here is it is cheaper for the goverment to pay for commercials to tell people not to smoke then pay for madicare and all that shit for them. people should be able to smoke a sig if they want. smaller natural cig companies arnt nearly as bad. they dont have fiberglass and chemicals that make you more addicted but are bad for you in them.
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Mar 10 2005 11:24PM
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jarossamdb7
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oh ya, and i dont smoke, and never have, so if you want to call me a fucking idiot go ahead.
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Mar 10 2005 11:25PM
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t-man152
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as for the Mcdonalds remark I have sited my source it was the documentary made by Morgan Spurlock where he eats Mcdonalds for a whole month (not eating anything other than Mcdonalds) during this expirement he is closely followed by a group of doctors and during a segment a doctor points out that his body is reacting to the Mcdonalds the same way an addicts body reacts to the drug they are addicted too. (I am not a doctor just reporting what I heard)Movie Site Link

as for me not beleiving the Truth campaigns claim that 53,000 people die of Lung cancer this is meirly a personal opinion I dont see how anyone can acuratly determine that these people are dying of second hand smoke. although I beleive that some of these may be related to second hand smoking other factors do exist smoking is not the only thing that causes lung cancer
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he did not become mentally addicted, he became physically dependant, thats what the 'withdrawl' signs were. His liver and other organs had addapted to processing the crap he was eating.

Cigs have chemicals in the mthat can be traced i nthe tissue of the lung and blood stream. These chemicals are not found in high amounts in the atmosphere. That is how they know if someone died prematurely from second hand smoke or smoking. Of course there are other factors that cause cancer, but smoking is the number one cause of lung cancer in North America, by far.

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Mar 10 2005 11:36PM
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Sharpy
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thsi thread is messed, how did my post go into your signature

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Mar 10 2005 11:38PM
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t-man152
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I was saying:
here are causes of cancer Link

as for my last coment I was overgeneralizing and I should not have and I apologize I do not know how it is in your area and smogg is different from place to place there are too many factors for me to say that smogg is worst than second hand smoke but that was the point I was trying to make, there are just too many facors to say that this one person died of such and such. so making a statement in any 1 way could be wrong.
Mar 11 2005 12:01AM
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t-man152
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ohh I forgot to post this shis is where I got that smogg can kill

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Mar 11 2005 12:08AM
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FASTPACE
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How bought the fucken gov just let us do what the fuck we want we wana smoke pot let us their fucken holden us down






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Mar 11 2005 11:01AM
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FASTPACE
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we wana kill ourselfs who cares






And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying,'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu--
Mar 11 2005 11:01AM
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Sharpy
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I want someone to answer my question, what is the point of smoking?

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Mar 11 2005 11:12AM
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Apple
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T-man: 3, Skibum_:5

Just incase someone wanted to keep track.
And as an aside, someone earlier say that alcohol is not physicaly addicting, and that is a fallacy. Alchohol is physicaly addicding, so is niccoteen and even charbohydtates.

Also, there is nothing i hate more than having to breath in someone elses used smoke. its disgusting and i hate the smell. It actually makes me cough. I cant wait till quebec passes a no smoking law for bars and resturants.
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Mar 11 2005 11:55AM
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arsenal601
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im with skibum. t-man, you are an idiot.

it would be fantastic if you could find it in your hear to forgive the TRUTH company for informing the public of the horrors of smoking. you argue that customers knew what they were getting into, well most of them did, but didnt the tobacco companies ALSO know what they were getting into? the know theyre products kill 440,000 people a year in the US, yet they keep on advertising with utter disregard for their customer and their loved ones.



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Mar 11 2005 9:55PM
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t-man152
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'The study, conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and published last March in the Journal of the American Medical Association, said that obesity-related deaths climbed between 1990 and 2000 to 400,000 a year - an increase of 100,000.

In Wednesday's issue of the journal, the government ran a correction, saying the increase was a more modest 65,000 deaths or so...

The original study put the number of tobacco-related deaths per year at just under 435,000, and contended that more Americans could soon be dying of obesity instead of smoking if current trends persisted.'

where is the Truth about Fast Food. did the people behind Mcdonalds know what they were ggetting themselves into? is it a companies responsibility to tell their customers what they can and cant do. as adults they should be responsible for their own actions.
I may be an idiot because of my beleifs but I sure as hell prefer to be stupid and reponsible for myself than smart and told what to do.
Mar 11 2005 10:23PM
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t-man152
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I think some of you think I am arguing that Tobacco is good or that people should smoke. I am in no way saying that. I am saying that smoking is bad everybody has known it for decades yet still want to do it. I am anoyed at Truth for not telling the Truth they give statistics that would be impossible to find as fact. I am all for people pushing their agendas but I hate it when people lie to push their agendas because they think that their cause is just. I agree with truth (and every other person in the world) that smoking is bad the same way I agree with some issues that michael Moore on alot of issues but the way both of these 'fact bringers' operate is what I dont agree with
Mar 11 2005 10:32PM
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french_fry
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You know what, after the age of 14 or 15, when kids usually start to smoke, you are the only person responsible for your choices. Make these choices, regret them, but do not complain. This truth thing is not so influent on people because its been said many and many times, and unless your a dumbass and don't know what a cigarette is before you smoke it, you cant be ignorant enough not to know that smoking screws up your lungs. However, the 'schocking' images of these adds might have an effect on younger kids, and I think thats the only positive effect of this campaign...



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Mar 11 2005 10:39PM
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freestyle_kyle
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i liked the truth ads in freeze. they were pretty funny. anyone who smokes is a dumbass. i also like the stupid.ca commercials that show in canada. theres one where this chick starts rolling in a pile of dog shit, then says 'y would anyone wanna smell like crap? 30 000 teens in ontario do everyday.'
or theres another one wher this kid is running through the woods with antlers on and say 'ya, its stupid running through the woods in the middle of hunting season.'
or a kid is standing on a ledge, and says 'if we beleive evrything we see in movies, i should be able to jump off this 20 story building, land in that dumpster and walk away, right?'
or one more wher ea kid starts pouring drain-o into his cereal and says 'seems stupid, but this is only like 30 chemicals. cigartettes contain this amount of chemicals. '
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Mar 11 2005 11:09PM
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