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Ice-Is-Scary
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So anyway less than a week ago I bought some alpine trekkers and skins, cut them to my skis. A few hours later they got stolen out of my car outside my house. This asshole deceides to rob my car again two nights ago. I don't have an alarm system and I won't be getting one.

So my plan is to leave a bear trap out in my car. My car will be locked, I will cover the bear trap with newspaper and but my wallet in the middle. I was wondering what laws I was breaking by setting this thing up on private property. I've tried calling the cops they said they dont care and won't even look into it. And I just don't have the time to stand outside in a bush with my machinegun everynight. Any input on legal implications of my actions would be helpful.


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Feb 28 2005 10:58AM
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Markman
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Video tape that, that would be frickin funny
Feb 28 2005 11:00AM
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J.D.
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Yeah, there's a law against placing traps on your own property. Here in Canada, there's even a subsection that specifically talks about bear traps. Sorry, you're going to prison if you catch the guy. It sucks, I know. I wish I could bear trap people...

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Feb 28 2005 11:05AM
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Apple
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yah, setting traps is quite illegale. Its mostly because traps dont discriminate against who they catch or kill.
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Feb 28 2005 11:08AM
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acc
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definitely videotape that.

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Feb 28 2005 11:11AM
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Edorf
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use needles with deadly poison instead of bear trap. then you stab him with a knife and pore som antidote in his wound...
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Feb 28 2005 11:26AM
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J.D.
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Actually, you are allowed to set animal traps provided they're actually FOR animals, and you take steps to ensure that no humans will be caught unawares (putting up signs next to all of them). Then, if someone got nailed, you'd only have a negligence suit on your hands and a not a criminal charge for posessing and employing man-traps. Which would suck. But I'm guessing the signs and so on would defeat the purpose. Plus, it'd be hard to explain to a judge that you were attempting to catch a bear in your car.

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Feb 28 2005 11:33AM
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mwhahaha
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just do it!
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Feb 28 2005 12:37PM
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lipen69
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o man that sucks.
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Feb 28 2005 12:43PM
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couchskier
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I would put a sign in there that says 'smile fucker your on camera!' and also write if you return my shit in 24 hours no qeustions...no cops.
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Feb 28 2005 3:13PM
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friday01
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yeah deffanatly do it, you will get yer shit back
Feb 28 2005 3:31PM
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mikee
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ahaha, thast the funniest idea I have ever heard.

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Feb 28 2005 3:35PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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use lots of mousetraps wired to your car battery so that when he steps on them they electrocute him too
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Feb 28 2005 3:38PM
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Apple
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hahah that camera idea is great. you should try it.
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Feb 28 2005 4:11PM
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Raoul_Duke
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How can you not do it?… lets weigh some pros and cons.

Con: go to jail
Pro: Have the eternal satisfaction that the motherfucker that stole your shit is now permanently crippled from a bear trap

I encourage others to add this list.



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Feb 28 2005 11:08PM
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*BeckyK*
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what are you thinking?? asking legal advice on NS??? come on

although I do think its a pretty good idea... highly illegal i think, but a good idea notheless
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Feb 28 2005 11:12PM
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mr.ski
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aha shit man that is so orignal!
but what if the guy has NS ?




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Feb 28 2005 11:29PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Revenge is inevitable, I do not let people fuck me over. I am currently in the development stages of my plan of action, I need to maximize his suffering while minimizing mine. I am not willing to commit felonious crimes because that will ruin some of my hobbies. If anyone has any suggestions on revenge, the criteria is simple.
1.Cheap
2.Effective
3.Diabolical



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Feb 28 2005 11:33PM
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PowderCanuck
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If you have a friend who knows electronics and can get your hands on some HUGE capacitors and stuff, you could turn your entire into a giant taser. It wouldn't cost a whole lot eather, just take alot of work. I thought up a design for it in my electronics class at college last year and it could work.
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Mar 1 2005 1:08AM
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PowderCanuck
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'turn your entire car into a giant taser'
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Mar 1 2005 1:08AM
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WONTON
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^thats pretty hardcore man



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Mar 1 2005 1:23AM
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trevorwoulddoit
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I'm still a fan of the bear trap...


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Mar 1 2005 3:21AM
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t-man152
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yeah dont do that you wil be getting in so much trouble if the trap actually gets him. The only legal way for you to do it would be to put a sign in plain view that says caution bear trap. and since most people dont set bear traps in their cars it could be considered as a joke.

This one guy a couple of years ago put poisonous snakes in his warehouse for protection and he put a sgn outfront saying 'Caution poisonous Guard Snakes' 2 robbers disregarded the sign thinking it was a joke and found themselves face to face with snakes. one of them got bit and the other one climbed up onto a shelf where he called the police with his cell phone. both of them survived but they were pretty shook up. they both got minor breaking and entering charges plus they got pretty much all the money that the guy they were trying to rob had. their lawyers argued that as burglars they are not suposed to assume that a sign that says 'Caution Poisonous Guard Snakes' actually ment that poisonous snakes were guarding the property. The owner of the place got some time in jail he went bankrupt lost his buisness and his wife.

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Mar 1 2005 3:40AM
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JZ
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^ wow, that is stupid...i hate when dumb people take advantage of someone else because they were doing something wrong.

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Mar 1 2005 9:42AM
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michelle
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you could just put the signs around saying like 'no trespassing' and whatnot and have the beartrap right before the car door, not in the car, and keep a cooler filled with food in the back seat.

and if you're hardcore about this, scratch some marks on your car door.

then when the bitch gets his foot caught in the beartrap just be like 'i was leaving early in the morning for my weekly camping trip and there are usually bears trying to get into my cooler in my car. i pack the night before. see the marks from last week?'



just an idea. i had a lot of free time to think about that one.
Mar 1 2005 9:50AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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ok go buy the lego mindstorms kid. Then make a giant lego robot that will scare the crap out of the guy.

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Mar 1 2005 9:58AM
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back_woods
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just set up a camerac, and leave and empty wallted or some shit that looks pricey but isnt on the dash, then when he comes to snatch it you'll get him on film. Cuz if this guy keeps coming back it sounds like he might be from nearby...so then you know who he is, you find him, you track him to his house and then you know where he lives and you can really fuck him up


Mar 1 2005 9:59AM
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eastAR5
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hahaha please do it and video tape it it will be #1 video on the internet
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Mar 1 2005 10:09AM
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Skipig25
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Put your wallet on the dash with nothing in it. Park your car where you can see it from your window, Rig up a camera for evidence. Then get a laser pointer, duct tape it to the end of a vacuum, (he won't be able to tell what it is) and get a megaphone. When he comes around, put your 'laser sight' on his head, and yell through the megaphone to freeze. Tell him he's on camera and if he doesn't return your stuff, you'll hunt him down and shoot him.


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Mar 1 2005 12:01PM
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ECfreeski3
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the beartrap idea is awesome, and michelle's add-on makes it perfectly fine in my mind..
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Mar 1 2005 3:11PM
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Edorf
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the cheapest thing would be to cath a racoon(with rabies...!!!!) Lock it in ur car, so whn the burglar arrives he gets bit by the racoon!!!! that would scare his penis out of porportion(is that correct???) and out of your car... Def tape it!!!!
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Mar 1 2005 3:30PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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You know, as mentioned, if you actually put a sign up saying 'Caution: Bear Trap' chances are he wouldn't believe you anyways.

So it might worth a shot.


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Mar 1 2005 3:34PM
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ScratchFS
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Well 1st law student's can't give legal advice. That aside, even if you had a blinking neon sign that said 'no tresspassing wallet is guarded by a bear trap' you would still get in a bunch of trouble because you are only able to use deadly force when there is a threat of deadly force. Consult the police or an attorney in your area about the allowable preventive measures you are allowed to take.


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Mar 2 2005 10:53AM
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lineskier610
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^yup listen to this guy





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Mar 2 2005 1:49PM
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J.D.
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^No, don't. He's probably right in that you'd still get nailed for it for negligence (essentially, putting an animal trap in a stupid place, leading to injury), but the use of deadly force has nothing at all to do with it. Any case made against you, criminal or civil, would center around proving whether or not it was intended as a man-trap. If not, you're still responsible, just not to the same extent (they'll start measuring your negligence as far as having a dangerous item on your property is concerned). And yes, the fact that he's an uninvited guest with no reason to be on your property DOES make a difference there; there are different types of 'guests' under the law with different duties of care owed to each on the part of property owners. You wouldn't owe him very much. You'd still have to pay him something, almost certainly, though. It'd depend on the medical bills.

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Mar 2 2005 1:56PM
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lineskier610
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I'm talkin about consulting the police or an attorney, I'd definetly trust them over anyone on ns. The bear trap isn't being use for deadly force but you're still gonna get fucked either way. You might think it's right to catch the guy because he stole property from you but that's not how they're gonna look at it in court if it is brought there.





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Mar 2 2005 2:20PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Appreciate all the advice and suggestions, I don't think I'm going to do it although my dad thinks its a hilarious idea. I will find another way to screw this guy over


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Mar 2 2005 6:05PM
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rebel
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Catch him in the act then when he least expects it, throw it in his ass. Who's gonna admit that they got raped while trying to steal from a car. On a less retarded note the minimal nessecary force is in relation to self-defense, which this is not. Pretty much what JDMay said is on the button. Stupid JD, thinks he's so smart. I'll kill him.

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Mar 2 2005 6:19PM
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Please everyone disregard my last sentence. I have no intention of killing, maiming or crippling JDMay in any way. JDMay is a member of society and I respect his rights, most specifically his right to live. Again, I HAVE NO INTENT ON HARMING JDMAY! Any further attempts on his life are NOT as a result of me or my jealousy for the fact that he is better at living than me.

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