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Stiff boots > softer boots

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Thegenericskier
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skied several boots in flexes ranging from 100 to 130. the stiffer the boot the better it felt skiing in park
Sep 9 2020 12:10PM
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hot.pocket
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Boots that are the correct stiffness for your height, weight, skier ability and style > the stiffest boot
Sep 9 2020 2:04PM
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snowfinder
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call me crazy but I like a soft boot
Sep 9 2020 2:09PM
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JmckR
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Skiing on snow > skiing on concrete
Sep 9 2020 2:26PM
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Obama_care
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Soft boots decide to fuck my chins #fuckfulltilts
Sep 9 2020 2:36PM
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ASSholebomber22
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Obama_careSoft boots decide to fuck my chins #fuckfulltilts


Chins
Sep 9 2020 2:41PM
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shoenice
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Wait you guys use ski boots? I’m out here clicking in with my Timbs, b
Sep 9 2020 4:53PM
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r00kie
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shoeniceWait you guys use ski boots? I’m out here clicking in with my Timbs, b


You laugh but I have seen too many work boots in snowboard bindings. But thats Michigan for ya.
Sep 9 2020 5:38PM
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reeddavis218
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the stiff ones are better IMO, but they need to have the proper lining and flex points, such as Dalbello and FT, otherwise it will wreck your shins with the smallest wrong landings
Sep 9 2020 7:41PM
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GayWolf420
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i accidentally bought RX130s one year thinking they were the 120s and ended up loving those more than the 120s so yeah, big time 130 flex guy
Sep 9 2020 8:05PM
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swagmasterflex
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Kinda off topic but I need new boots this year and have no clue where to start. I'm kinda new to park and get AWFUL shin bang, so if someone can actually confirm that full tilts help and are worth buying it would be appreciated.
Sep 9 2020 8:21PM
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ASSholebomber22
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swagmasterflexKinda off topic but I need new boots this year and have no clue where to start. I'm kinda new to park and get AWFUL shin bang, so if someone can actually confirm that full tilts help and are worth buying it would be appreciated.


Step 1: Buy full tilts

Step 2: if you made it this far, congrats you can read! also disregard step 1

Step 3: Go to a bootfitter.
Sep 9 2020 8:27PM
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weastcoat
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Having a really soft boot in the park is like running a marathon with your shoes untied
Sep 9 2020 8:44PM
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swagmasterflex
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BiffbarfStep 1: Buy full tilts

Step 2: if you made it this far, congrats you can read! also disregard step 1

Step 3: Go to a bootfitter.


I'll take your word for it. Too bad I live in NJ and people don't know jack about park skiing and the different gear required. Landed my first front 270 in rental boots that had literal holes in the bottom. Thats rock bottom
Sep 9 2020 8:52PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Anyone know how the new Sammy C Ascents are gonna be? Looking to get away from frame bindings due to how the fuck the flex of a ski and weight and I'm pretty stoked on how they sound like they'll be.
Sep 9 2020 9:11PM
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Sashac
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This is the real truth
Sep 9 2020 9:40PM
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broken_skier0
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swagmasterflexKinda off topic but I need new boots this year and have no clue where to start. I'm kinda new to park and get AWFUL shin bang, so if someone can actually confirm that full tilts help and are worth buying it would be appreciated.


You might read this on some of the causes of shin-bang in the first place.

https://www.skimag.com/gear/shin-bang-and-how-to-prevent-it
Sep 9 2020 9:53PM
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DominatorJacques
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It's all about proper fit. Flex numbers don't mean that much as there is no "standard".

I am skiing some 110's and it's all good.
Sep 9 2020 11:38PM
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animator
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snowfindercall me crazy but I like a soft boot

Lots of people do. If you like to skirp and butter it does allow you to get more leverage in some cases, like you can lean further over your tips and tails. Stiff gives more control though so it’s all personal preference, but soft definitely works in the park
Sep 9 2020 11:43PM
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Dilldoes
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animatorLots of people do. If you like to skirp and butter it does allow you to get more leverage in some cases, like you can lean further over your tips and tails. Stiff gives more control though so it’s all personal preference, but soft definitely works in the park


My "midwest" boot is a 100 flex. Old home resort never built large jumps and had no vert so it was easier/more fun to butter and screw around with the soft flex.
Sep 10 2020 12:03AM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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hot.pocketBoots that are the correct stiffness for your height, weight, skier ability and style > the stiffest boot


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Sep 10 2020 4:24AM
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soup
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Soft boots are my everything. Soft doesn't mean sloppy and loose it just meansyou can flex it without snapping your shin.
Sep 10 2020 11:08AM
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lil.Boye
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Skiing < talking shit
Sep 10 2020 11:39AM
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clorox
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soupSoft boots are my everything. Soft doesn't mean sloppy and loose it just meansyou can flex it without snapping your shin.

I like stiff boots but that doesn't mean I can't properly flex the boot. I feel like I'm more able to drive the shovel of the ski with stiffer boots. With softer boots I felt like all my shin pressure was absorbed.
Sep 10 2020 2:37PM
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abar.
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swagmasterflexI'll take your word for it. Too bad I live in NJ and people don't know jack about park skiing and the different gear required. Landed my first front 270 in rental boots that had literal holes in the bottom. Thats rock bottom


Park skiing is no difference when it comes to shin bang, just get a boot properly fitted by a bootfitter and it will go away
Sep 11 2020 4:51PM
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anders_a
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If your fat enough, most consumer 130 flex boots are soft.
Sep 11 2020 5:20PM
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sean2whitney
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I seem to like a soft boot, although i havent had much experience with a stiffer boot. and when i say softer, i mean i can lean forwards and touch the ground with my hands and the skis will only be at a slight nose press lol. I like it for buttering/olliing off knuckles and rollers. For me it seems to make playful skiing really easy.
*for background: I ski midwest only, park and the shitty "all mountain" terrain we have here lol. I'd say I'm a pretty damn good skier all mountain. Park I can ride a rail and throw some simple 3s and 7s off a 40ftr.
Oct 18 2020 5:47PM
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hi_vis360
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4 buckle gang
Oct 18 2020 7:31PM
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abar.
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pinkcamo10004 buckle gang


I would never even consider using a boot with less than 4 buckles
Oct 18 2020 10:34PM
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DominatorJacques
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If you can't flex your ankles, your boot is too stiff.
Oct 18 2020 10:50PM
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CaveManSam
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I only ski park in my 150 flex Langes. Everyone knows freestyle skiing is actually about carving.
Oct 19 2020 1:21AM
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anders_a
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Its a thing, my "race" 130 flex atomics I can just lean a bit and we have butttttttters, on my technica cochise dyn 130 I gotto lean way way more.

also landings hurts less on stiffer boots
Oct 19 2020 1:47PM
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PacificRimJob
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Soft sloppy boots feel so sketchy when Im skiing park. I cant even get a feel for where my skis are.
Oct 20 2020 9:27AM
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anders_a
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for some reason I often get more shinbang in soft boots, anyone else?
Oct 20 2020 10:06AM
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PacificRimJob
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anders_afor some reason I often get more shinbang in soft boots, anyone else?


Sounds par for the course...
Oct 20 2020 10:38AM
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DominatorJacques
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anders_afor some reason I often get more shinbang in soft boots, anyone else?

I believe that is a factor of proper fit, be it softer or harder shell.
Oct 20 2020 11:17AM
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animator
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DominatorJacquesI believe that is a factor of proper fit, be it softer or harder shell.


Yup. Shin bang means there’s too much room between your shin and the tongue of the boot, has everything to do with fit and little to do with flex.
Oct 20 2020 11:20AM
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DominatorJacques
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animatorYup. Shin bang means there’s too much room between your shin and the tongue of the boot, has everything to do with fit and little to do with flex.

Consensus of many. Must be truth. That's what the fitter's tell us too. Fit, fit, and then fit.
Oct 20 2020 2:56PM
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chef_boyardee
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animatorYup. Shin bang means there’s too much room between your shin and the tongue of the boot, has everything to do with fit and little to do with flex.

I was talking to a bootfitter yesterday and he said the same thing about the fit, but he did say that a softer flex would help a bit (in the context of going from 130 to 120)
Oct 20 2020 4:13PM
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animator
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chef_boyardeeI was talking to a bootfitter yesterday and he said the same thing about the fit, but he did say that a softer flex would help a bit (in the context of going from 130 to 120)


Sure! If you’re used to a plug boot with a 140 flex, a 120 boot will generally be less shin bangy because it flexes more and will follow what your shins are doing (if it’s fit correctly)
Oct 20 2020 4:50PM
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DominatorJacques
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chef_boyardeeI was talking to a bootfitter yesterday and he said the same thing about the fit, but he did say that a softer flex would help a bit (in the context of going from 130 to 120)


animatorSure! If you’re used to a plug boot with a 140 flex, a 120 boot will generally be less shin bangy because it flexes more and will follow what your shins are doing (if it’s fit correctly)


At my old age I have gotten a bit heavy. Let's say about 135 (or a bit less I wish). I ski a 110 flex Salmon and I have no bang issues as I used to when I had boots that did not fit proper. Fit, fit and fit.

**This post was edited on Oct 20th 2020 at 6:02:27pm

**This post was edited on Oct 20th 2020 at 6:03:15pm
Oct 20 2020 6:02PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Also needs to be added: skinny narrow lower leg like mine will lead to shin bang because of the leverage on the shin in a boot that will never make proper supportive contact with that lower part of your shin. Im honestly going to just try putting tons of foam beer cuzies around my lower leg this year to give it more beef
broken_skier0You might read this on some of the causes of shin-bang in the first place.

https://www.skimag.com/gear/shin-bang-and-how-to-prevent-it
Oct 20 2020 6:24PM
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DominatorJacques
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BigPurpleSkiSuitAlso needs to be added: skinny narrow lower leg like mine will lead to shin bang because of the leverage on the shin in a boot that will never make proper supportive contact with that lower part of your shin. Im honestly going to just try putting tons of foam beer cuzies around my lower leg this year to give it more beef


Shop more next time. There are boots out there for you. Many men have the same issue. Then instead of jamming some foam, see a certified boot fitter! Then go to thrift shop for more vintage onsies!
Oct 20 2020 6:29PM
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.Morton
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My old boots were 90s but something was wrong with how they fit and they didn't flex at all. Now I have 120s, which are crushing my toes but fit better everywhere else, and they feel way softer.
Oct 21 2020 5:33PM
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DominatorJacques
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.MortonMy old boots were 90s but something was wrong with how they fit and they didn't flex at all. Now I have 120s, which are crushing my toes but fit better everywhere else, and they feel way softer.

If they are "crushing" your toes, then that's a good reason to see a fitter.
The new plastics are so easy for them to stretch than ever before.
There is no need to ski in a boot that way.
If you have not broken then in, then maybe they will come around.
Buckles need to be tightened enough so that toes are pulled back too.
Oct 21 2020 7:36PM
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AsherDonati24
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Got some 90 flex race boots an they work perfectly fine in the park. #langegang
Oct 21 2020 9:48PM
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abar.
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AsherDonati24Got some 90 flex race boots an they work perfectly fine in the park. #langegang


I didn't know 90 flex race boots existed lol
Oct 22 2020 2:41PM
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