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r00kieNeither, the rioters are the problem.
.MASSHOLE.Both.
We don't need rioters.
We don't need vigilantes.
Neither is acceptable and frankly the presence of both just makes things more volatile.
270on420outAnyone who has a problem with “rioters” (and yes you only use that label to delegitimize BLM protests) would have been a loyalist during the American revolution.
Young_pattyI think it’s funny that most people complaining about rioters are usually superb dwellers who haven’t been affected by police brutality or riots at all but still feel the need to voice an opinion (;_;)
newschoolers isn’t really the place to discuss racial issues since it’s 95% ignorant white kids tbh
zoinkedI think that both rioters and militias are in the wrong. I love the idea of a protest, they have been going on all over the world to make changes in federal and local government with lots of success. When people start rioting and looting I think it doesn’t represent what they are actually pushing to change well. I get that people are fed up and angry but there’s better ways of showing that then destroying property in your own city.
Militias can fuck off though, leave it up to the police and governments the world doesn’t need a bunch of grown men with no expierence in crowd control or what have you patrolling the streets looking for trouble. 2020 has been fucked for sure with everything going on, but I don’t think it’s an issue of who’s is the bigger is problem, I think it’s how does everyone come together and work through these issues and I do have hope that shit will change down the line.
**This post was edited on Aug 31st 2020 at 12:18:51pm
270on420outAnyone who has a problem with “rioters” (and yes you only use that label to delegitimize BLM protests) would have been a loyalist during the American revolution.
Young_pattyI think it’s funny that most people complaining about rioters are usually superb dwellers who haven’t been affected by police brutality or riots at all but still feel the need to voice an opinion (;_;)
newschoolers isn’t really the place to discuss racial issues since it’s 95% ignorant white kids tbh
Charlie_KellyIronic considering militias helped win the Revolutionary War. I’d say maybe revisit your history but you seem like the type that wants to rewrite it instead.
Yeah I forgot that in 2020 if you’re white you really don’t get an opinion.
.MASSHOLE.I mean in the same vein, so did rioters and looters. The Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party were both instrumental to starting the Revolutionary War so you may want to revisit yours as well.
I think his point was that (a lot of) white people are pretty far removed from these issues that people of color are facing and that our communities don't have to deal with worrying about how cops will treat us. And he's not really wrong. The demographics of skiing is predominantly white and middle/upper class. It'd follow suit that a skiing website was the same.
That doesn't make our opinion irrelevant, it just makes it it less likely that we can directly understand and relate to the problems they face.
**This post was edited on Sep 1st 2020 at 8:28:55am
SendyMcSendyfaceAll hail the bird
Charlie_KellyI’m well versed in our history don’t worry. Militia and Minute Men played a far greater roll in the Revolutionary War than the rioters that proceeded it. In fact the bulk of the American forces were made up of militias and were used as the major pool to draw from when drafting regulars. And then we leaned upon militias again in not only the War of 1812 but the Civil War as well. Happy to have a discussion about which did more to garner our independence.
Im curious what your interpretation of “a lot of” means in regards to white people. Prison demographics and police brutality are definitely a problem, but both (statistically) are improving, and some would argue significantly. If you’d like I’d be happy to cite you a couple research papers conducted by Harvard and St Louis University that delve into race and policing. You probably wouldn’t like to here the results but who knows.
**This post was edited on Sep 1st 2020 at 8:55:30am
Charlie_KellyI’m well versed in our history don’t worry. Militia and Minute Men played a far greater roll in the Revolutionary War than the rioters that proceeded it. In fact the bulk of the American forces were made up of militias and were used as the major pool to draw from when drafting regulars. And then we leaned upon militias again in not only the War of 1812 but the Civil War as well. Happy to have a discussion about which did more to garner our independence.
Im curious what your interpretation of “a lot of” means in regards to white people. Prison demographics and police brutality are definitely a problem, but both (statistically) are improving, and some would argue significantly. If you’d like I’d be happy to cite you a couple research papers conducted by Harvard and St Louis University that delve into race and policing. You probably wouldn’t like to here the results but who knows.
**This post was edited on Sep 1st 2020 at 8:55:30am
snowfinderdifference is minute men were fighting against oppression the militia now are fighting for it.
r00kiePretty sure the miltias goal in kenosha is protection of private property but ok.
Charlie_KellyIronic considering militias helped win the Revolutionary War. I’d say maybe revisit your history but you seem like the type that wants to rewrite it instead.
Yeah I forgot that in 2020 if you’re white you really don’t get an opinion.
little1337Pelican thread
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Charlie_KellyIronic considering militias helped win the Revolutionary War. I’d say maybe revisit your history but you seem like the type that wants to rewrite it instead.
Yeah I forgot that in 2020 if you’re white you really don’t get an opinion.
Young_pattyDon’t know why you need an opinion on something that doesn’t impact you lol- but it is 2020 like you said.
Young_pattyI think it’s funny that most people complaining about rioters are usually superb dwellers who haven’t been affected by police brutality or riots at all but still feel the need to voice an opinion (;_;)
newschoolers isn’t really the place to discuss racial issues since it’s 95% ignorant white kids tbh
r00kiePretty sure the miltias goal in kenosha is protection of private property but ok.
CaseyA man was executed at the hands of the state without due process but we are arming up to make sure some business owners aren’t burdened with having to file an insurance claim to get their windows fixed. Make no mistake we are here for the windows this just happens to look like a Klan rally but it really isn’t...
Trumpkin2020Everyone has an opinion. You're just an asshole. Or maybe that's my opinion? Anywhere is the right place to discuss racial issues because they exist EVERYWHERE. Discuss either how bad you've got it or how unethically good you have it.
Comments like this only serve to further racial divide by saying that if you're not a minority, you can't have an opinion. All you're doing is segregating groups for different reasons here.
But since you mentioned it, yep I am white of all sorts of European ancestry. I grew up in the suburbs of a middle class town. I went to k-8 in the suburbs and 9-12 in the hood. I had pasty white friends and I also had black friends and hispanic friends and also druggie friends and also friends mixed up in gang activities. My mom is a teacher in the inner city and her kids have terrible home lives. I currently work in a major health care system and see racial disparities every day. I also see plenty of the aftermath of violence within those communities. I have good neighbors who are cops. I know plenty of cops. I also know plenty of douche bag cops too. I have no empathy for violent criminals or thieves.
You're right I've never been affected by police brutality but I've sure as shit witnessed it and seen profiling before. In college if you were out driving after dark, and had any stupid traffic reason to get pulled over, you sure as shit could bet you'd be getting pulled over as a reason for them to say "have you been drinking".
"no sir, actually quite the opposite I just dropped a friend off at a party". God forbid you had a black kid in your car cuz then you'd be stopped for an hour while they run everyone's IDs for warrants. And they would ask for EVERYONE'S id's. If your family got pulled over, you think they'd be checking everyone's id's? Not a chance. Imagine that but being black.
Ever had a cop bust up a college party you were hosting or at? Yeah they're assholes with an agenda in college towns. Don't even think about mentioning your rights cuz you'll be threatened to be arrested. Knew a kid that got tazed running from a party. Also knew a kid who got speared by a cop on his way home from work cuz he was near a party they just broke up and looked like someone who ran away.
Any reason to get pulled over so you can be searched. I've never had my car searched, but I have black coworkers who are good people tell me about all their runins with the cops and all the rediculous stories of their cars being searched on the way home from work for drugs or weapons, only for the cops to turn up empty handed after bringing out 3 squad cars, a dog, and searching for 60min in the middle of winter.
My brother had a coworker at pizza hut who was black and the one day she forgot to put her car topper on the car. They delivered in your stereotypical rich 99.9% white village who look at black people like aliens. She got pulled over 5 times that day because she "looked suspicious".
One time I was downtown Cleveland at closing time for all the bars and they brought vans of cops to control crowds to get them to leave the bars. They were legit pepper spraying whole crowds of black people for not dispersing from the area all the while me and a group of white chicks sat on the curb and watched. At one point a cop went from pepper spraying someone, turned to us and said "have a nice night". da fuq.
Another time in middle school we were running around a neighborhood at night with airsoft guns, some with the orange spray painted black (dumb). Someone called the cops on us. Cop shows up and proceeds to use one of our airsoft guns and shoot mailboxes with it. Tells us to carry on but try to keep it down. You can't sit here and say because you're white you can't see the irony in this example. No chance kids running around a black neighborhood with replica guns are gonna get that same treatment.
Have a friend who's best friend is a cop. But he "hates cops" because of how many bad run ins he's had with them. Luckily his brother is a lawyer so he knows how to tell them off when they try and pull some bullshit fake reason on him for a ticket or search. But yet another example that minorities don't have the luxury of arguing.
I know of plenty of rich white kids or families who get away with literal murder because of connections. Not if you're black in those cities and aren't a superstar athlete.
So back to your comment. Anyone can discuss racial disparities and police and justice issues. The more the merrier. All opinions and experiences count. Your line of thinking is ignorant and baseless.
Imo are rioters bad? Yeah that's dumb although Trevor Noah had an interesting take on the matter. Are armed civilians coming to "defend" establishments a bad idea? Yeah because while there may be no ill intentions, things can escalate quickly and they have no legal authority other than self defense. Protesting is not bad and a foundation of this country btw.
Side note edgy: One thing I know and we all know is how to act around cops. Don't be reaching. No sudden movements. Don't run. Don't fight. Etc. We all know this so these people in a lot of these videos that end up getting shot are being stupid. You know you're being looked at closer. You know there might be bias involved. Why do anything to make it worse??? Ffs
Tldr: quit pulling the your white you don't have a voice card. No shit white people usually can't even begin to understand what minorities go through but we can try and why not use the influence that something as trivial as race can be to helping others. The fact that race is even a question in societies is dumb. Who cares. In reality, all I care about is good or bad regardless of your skin color. Not all cops are bad. Not all civilians are innocent either. We need to just be people. Sorry about the rank folks. This whole white people telling other white people how to act regarding social injustice is getting old really quick and this set me off. Also I'm tired and crabby.
Young_pattyBro just give me a /TLDR pls, I’m not gonna read your entire rant
CaseyA man was executed at the hands of the state without due process but we are arming up to make sure some business owners aren’t burdened with having to file an insurance claim to get their windows fixed. Make no mistake we are here for the windows this just happens to look like a Klan rally but it really isn’t...
eheathare you just trolling?
eheath
Young_pattyApparently that’s all I do lol.
I just think it’s funny that the most entitled group of white people alive on this planet (skiers, in case that flew over some heads) have such strong opinions on racial justice and rioting when most of them have been impacted by neither- I don’t blame rioters. I’ve been to and seen enough protests in Minneapolis (where I live) that have seen 0 results that I understand why people are rioting- and many people in the city support it despite the consequences and destruction because the people have been going unheard for so long. Bitch about destruction and chaos that’s happening away from you all you want but it took the destruction of my home city to see the first real work towards a solution.
So am I trolling? Naw- I’m fact I seldom do, people just hate my opinions apparently. Keep discussing tho NS- it’s the first step towards change.
Young_pattyLol- not all of us have all the time in the world, like you do apparently
Young_pattyApparently that’s all I do lol.
I just think it’s funny that the most entitled group of white people alive on this planet (skiers, in case that flew over some heads) have such strong opinions on racial justice and rioting when most of them have been impacted by neither- I don’t blame rioters. I’ve been to and seen enough protests in Minneapolis (where I live) that have seen 0 results that I understand why people are rioting- and many people in the city support it despite the consequences and destruction because the people have been going unheard for so long. Bitch about destruction and chaos that’s happening away from you all you want but it took the destruction of my home city to see the first real work towards a solution.
So am I trolling? Naw- I’m fact I seldom do, people just hate my opinions apparently. Keep discussing tho NS- it’s the first step towards change.
eheathMy statement had nothing to do with your personal opinion, it had to do with the fact that you think people can't have an opinion on a topic. Anyone can have an opinion on anything, thats why its an opinion.
Young_pattyBro just give me a /TLDR pls, I’m not gonna read your entire rant
Charlie_KellyEh there’s definitely more entitled people than skiers. I think your world view is a little more narrow than you seem to think lol.
Trumpkin2020😂😂😂😂😂😂 It's at the end where it always is noob
Young_pattySure dude, my lunch break is almost up so I’m not gonna get into an argument but if you want to form an opinion about something you have 0 experience with then sure- go for it, not me though I think that’s something only pseudo intellectuals and fakes do. Just my opinion.
eheathSo if you don't know anything about something, you shouldn't do research and have interested in forming an opinion about it? You sound like a fucking idiot dude.
Young_pattynot many based on this thread. ironic you think my worldview is limited too
Sorry I kinda scrolled past after the first few angry ramblings of paragraphs you wrote
Charlie_KellyShit there’s plenty of people in the inner cities that have a greater sense of entitlement than even the lowliest ski bum, especially on the left...
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Young_pattyYeah cause there’s so much of that happening in this thread lol.
but please keep forming your half brained, shallow opinions on these issues from the comfort of your home though, it’s doing a lot of good and might actually bring some more awareness to these issues.
Eheath always cries about being called fat but resorts to insults right away-smh.
eheathYou might be one of the worst debaters i've ever encountered on this website, you talk about stuff that I didn't even say, I just said everyone has the right to form their own opinion about a topic, said nothing about the topic of this thread nor do I give a fuck what your opinion is, don't tell me im forming some poor, uninformed opinion when I didn't even express an opinion. And its not an insult when its true, idiot.
Young_patty“Especially on the left...” Lolllllllll
We’re both skiers but I’d never think like that let alone say that in public so I guess I do look down on narrow minded cretins like you who happen to be skiers.
stay in your bubble tho dude, the world doesn’t need narrow minded people like you.
“not allowed to have an opinion cause I’m white” headass. lol, actually go to a protest and talk to people and you’ll see that you couldn’t be more wrong- your opinion matters more than ever these days.
Charlie_KellyTriggered af lol
Young_pattyWouldn’t consider myself a debater lol- that’s just on you Mr. Eheath-Shapiro.
Sounds like you’re just doing a lot of talking without really saying anything, classic.