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abar.Seems fairly reasonable, I don't ski at a vail resort but I'd be pissed as a season pass holder if I couldn't get a reservation any day I wanted. Depends on how many they give out
SnaketheparkDoes anyone know what the smaller mountains plan to do? Similar regulations or more freedom because they don’t have the same kind of crowds from holiday vacationers? I’m definitely glad vail is planning to open and I’m curious to see how easy or difficult it is to get on the mountain on any given pow day. Best wishes shredders
StaticI'm waiting for some smaller places to announce guaranteed access for passholders then think about spending the winter there
AlexFogo85Wild to me that they're charging the full price for a pass when it's clearly not the same value since you're not technically guaranteed unlimited, flexible skiing anytime you want
skeirmanAdd to that the fact that the resorts costs will go down because of way less people, and no lodge services or amenities will be open, so decreased staff, etc.
skeirmanAdd to that the fact that the resorts costs will go down because of way less people, and no lodge services or amenities will be open, so decreased staff, etc.
eheathVail Resorts is going to lose money this year and if you think otherwise then you don't understand how important tourism and skier days are for the ski resort business.
skeirmanWhen did I say they wouldn't lose money? I said their costs will decrease.
eheathVail Resorts is going to lose money this year and if you think otherwise then you don't understand how important tourism and skier days are for the ski resort business.
SavageBiffYou may as well have well said there’s 2 hydrogen molecules in water , no shit they’re gonna lose money, everything is gonna generate less money this year Sherlock
GrandThingsEcommerce says "hold my beer"
SavageBiffYou may as well have well said there’s 2 hydrogen molecules in water , no shit they’re gonna lose money, everything is gonna generate less money this year Sherlock
eheathDid you read the thread or even the post i quoted? Don't just try to call me out over dumb bullshit cause youre mad at me
eheathIt was inferred as you quoted someone saying they were mad they were charging full price for a pass and you said "to add to that" meaning that you thought they would have less costs in turn causing them to make more money. There is no other reason to be mad about them charging full price other than you thinking that they are make a profit. IDK if you're just back pedalling and idgaf tbh but these costs you speak of usually come with HUGE profits, ie they make all of their money from lodging, food, retail/rental. Vail Resorts probably makes about 1/10th of their revenue from passes and ticket sales.
AlexFogo85but it's still their job to deliver on a solid product and the core of that product is flexible, anytime skiing which is now at risk because of the reservation system. Covid isn't just impacting Vail's business, it's also impacting their customers financially (us) as well so it's not like they're the only one biting the bullet this year
eheathI think its unfair to expect so much in a time where you have to follow such strict regulations and guidelines. Vail is doing what they have to do and I don't think they could operate their business in any other way. How would you propose Vail operates their resorts to deliver a more solid product than they are currently offering?
BigPurpleSkiSuitThey can't change anything because they've made their bed on tourism, and now there will be fewer tourists flying in. I'm honestly surprised they extended any kind of courtesy to locals and didn't just bend over backwards to try to get people to fly in. Season's passholders should be allowed to ski whenever they want, but the trouble with Vail is that they have no true 'season's pass' anymore, it's just various forms of the Epic. Curious to see what the smaller resorts decide to do because they could scoop a lot of people if they announce they'll have no restrictions on season pass holders. Also, what does Ikon do for the places they have on their pass but don't own.
ConesForBreakfastAnyone have any insight to if something very similar will go down with Alterra? If the ikon is going to be in the same boat, I'll probably just get it refunded and buy more BC gear
abar.They probably wouldn't announce something like that until after season pass sales are over so they don't get a clusterfuck of people moving there for that exact reason
GetshiftyHopefully bachelor pulls through with season pass priority, the fact that the bike park and mid mountain restaurant is open is a good sign.
theabortionatorInterested to see how northstar handles it since a gondola is the only way to get to the base area aka "mid mountain". Terrible layout. They have a quad smchair too I assume theyll run everyday but that goes a little further up on mellow though possibly above noob level terrain .
The layout there us really rough but convenient working at mid mountain and getting off when the lifts starts spinning. Some crowded days got 3 or 4 laps in with no lines the came down to forever lines and bailed.
03gadeFor me man given how Tahoe dumps and then is dry for 2 weeks, or 4, and then dumps again the inability to make plans 2 or 1 days ahead is going to really suck; far more than any logistics.
Northstar has significantly better groomers than squaw though.
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SlyFoxxxNice! Now they can plan daily staffing around reservation numbers and become an even more efficient money making machine. Watch them keep it implemented even after the virus is no longer a threat once they realize how much money they can save by knowing when high/low traffic days will occur. Fuck yeah...
SavageBiffGreedy corps do shit like this yes, but I don’t see this as their motive and I’m no vail fan, that’s eheaths department, but the revenue they will lose from tourism etc will vastly outweigh any saving on payroll and overhead etc...
what they are doing is smart, better to open, open as safe as possible and increase your chances of being open for those you can serve rather than ending up shut down for everybody and having some Texan dentist bring the COVID to vail for his yearly shredding of the learning area. it’s not just about our skiing, peoples jobs, their income and families and well being are at stake, we can’t just open fully like everything is ok to end up closed and not skiing, and closed and not employing sending people home penniless and having unemployment pay for everything is just stupid and won’t work and the money to be handed out is running out
Only thing I would have vail change is season pass holders, epic pass etc should not have to be local, subject them to testing instead, decrease number of passes this year. Non pass holders, daily tickets should stay local only.
SlyFoxxxNice! Now they can plan daily staffing around reservation numbers and become an even more efficient money making machine. Watch them keep it implemented even after the virus is no longer a threat once they realize how much money they can save by knowing when high/low traffic days will occur. Fuck yeah...
SlyFoxxxI don't think they are planning it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of this carry over if they realize it could increase the bottom line. It will be a lot easier to implement if people are already accustomed to needing a reservation.
Non locals who spend the big bucks at resorts usually have their trips planned at least a month in advance, so a reservation probably wouldn't be a huge turn off to them.
eheathThis take is just wrong. They already know when its going to be busy, but you can't just hire full time employees and be like "yeah so you have to take this week off because we didnt get enough reservations" nobody would work under those pretenses.
Even if this idea of "less operational cost on slower days" worked, for Vail, more people = more money, operational costs are high, but when you have 1.8 million skier days (2018-2019 season at PC) those costs are pocket change.
All of that aside, nobody wants to make a reservation to go skiing, the public would not except that kind of system without a global pandemic.
RudyGarmischThis is going to push so many people out into the BC this year, I can't wait...
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SavageBiffIt def won’t increase the bottom line is what I was saying
Spot on.
athough...
there are a lot of companies that limit their workers hours based on sales for that given quarter or even down to the day. McDonalds and Kohl’s are very guilty of this. Longhorn, I worked here as a dishwasher for $13, and I’d imagine many restaurants operate like this but they did the same hour limiting etc. A lot of these companies hand out 4 hour shifts 7 days etc or similar, and while I wanna agree “ no one “ will work under these conditions, there is a plethora of people different and more desperate without the opportunities you and I have so they will put up with that kinda crap from the corps, it’s not right, but it happens. I do agree that this would be very tough for resorts to do, and it’s in no companies best interest to operate that way.
eheathAlso, tons of people buy Epic passes for their trip, they come out for one week, which is why theyre offering like 7 days of guaranteed reservations. They can't guarantee passholders ski days because they usually sell like 250k epic passes...
SkiBum.I believe the number was over 700,000 last year. Which is crazy to think of.
