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FruitBootProThey're absolutely insufferable and their style is trash, and there are tons of other kids that can do their tricks in this era of freeskiing, I got no sympathy for em
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Stop the cap, i highly doubt your abilities and style exceed those of the fagan fucks, i truly dislike theyre personalities but you gotta admit they rip on skis
air.bubbleStop the cap, i highly doubt your abilities and style exceed those of the fagan fucks, i truly dislike theyre personalities but you gotta admit they rip on skis
There is absolutely no question that I will never get anywhere near the Fagan's level, but that doesn't excuse the way they act or invalidate my opinion of them. There are tons of people of their skiing caliber who have better style and also aren't complete tools like them. On top of their obnoxious and utterly vain social media presence and unabashed cockiness, @cringyskiers2 has apparently been DM'ed shit tons of stories of the Fagans being generally garbage human beings to the people surrounding them. Being a better skier and better looking person than everyone around you doesn't excuse being that way, especially when you really AREN'T the biggest fish in the pond with respect to either of those things in the context of the entire freeskiing community.
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FruitBootProThere is absolutely no question that I will never get anywhere near the Fagan's level, but that doesn't excuse the way they act or invalidate my opinion of them. There are tons of people of their skiing caliber who have better style and also aren't complete tools like them. On top of their obnoxious and utterly vain social media presence and unabashed cockiness, @cringyskiers2 has apparently been DM'ed shit tons of stories of the Fagans being generally garbage human beings to the people surrounding them. Being a better skier and better looking person than everyone around you doesn't excuse being that way, especially when you really AREN'T the biggest fish in the pond with respect to either of those things in the context of the entire freeskiing community.
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as i said before, i truly do dislike them for their actions, but the level of skiing they ride at is undeniably insane,most riders on the world cup, noram circuits are not on the same level as them in consistency as well as trick selection, kinda fucked that they are 18 with both way triples and dub 16s with style. even watch the slvsh cup utah games, they are undeniably talented on rails as well. Their skills should not be justifying their actions, however its dumb to cancel them at such a young age with so much skiing skills and consistency. I believe this will show them their actions have consequences and they deserve a second chance.
air.bubbleas i said before, i truly do dislike them for their actions, but the level of skiing they ride at is undeniably insane,most riders on the world cup, noram circuits are not on the same level as them in consistency as well as trick selection, kinda fucked that they are 18 with both way triples and dub 16s with style. even watch the slvsh cup utah games, they are undeniably talented on rails as well. Their skills should not be justifying their actions, however its dumb to cancel them at such a young age with so much skiing skills and consistency. I believe this will show them their actions have consequences and they deserve a second chance.
I watched their SLVSH cup and I don’t think they landed a single rail trick. They have the same comp jock style as every other comp jock.
CatdickBojanglesI watched their SLVSH cup and I don’t think they landed a single rail trick. They have the same comp jock style as every other comp jock.
reviewing their SLVSH videos for a moment I actually think their style is not bad but back when those videos came out and I tried to watch them, I literally turned them off midway through because I couldn't watch their style. This was when I barely knew who they were and had little to no biases against them.
I just went back and peeped a vid of Kiernan in SLVSH again and I don't really see what I hated so much anymore, but it's still true that they have cookie cutter comp jock style.
Maybe their technical skills seem so irrelevant to me simply because I care about video edits and urban rail bangers more than people doing switch tripple dipple can opener souffle's both ways. But obviously not everyone feels the same way
I know its popular to rip on these kids because they're douchebags, but how many people on here still say offensive things every day? What were they like 16 or 17? I honestly don't know why people care so much
I have NO sympathy for them. Alot of people with that type of attitude don't change (even not very much with age). From their past attitude, the cringy apology and the fact they took down the apology, it is very obvious they haven't changed.
They are aren't sorry they did it. They are just sorry they got caught.
coskiier1024I know its popular to rip on these kids because they're douchebags, but how many people on here still say offensive things every day? What were they like 16 or 17? I honestly don't know why people care so much
Dude, compare these kids--with all their cringy social media presence and record of being shitty people--to the other teenage comp jocks such as Dicky Thomas (who in particular is just as accomplished and capable as the Fagans). These kids are clearly particularly bad compared to even their peers. Like I keep saying, there are many other people in the communities who have the same gifts the Fagans have and yet aren't complete arrogant douches because of it.
BLandzIdk man they’re definitely both cocky fuckheads but I hope they grow up soon so they can pursue their ski careers because they had the style, they had the tricks, they just didn’t have the personality. If they start acting like good, mature members of society I think they deserve a second chance.
I’m surprised people still care about them. It’s been months. They’re jerks and they’re not that good. They got plenty of money to tide them over until they find the next sponsor to embarrass
SkylineGTR_R32I’m surprised people still care about them. It’s been months. They’re jerks and they’re not that good. They got plenty of money to tide them over until they find the next sponsor to embarrass
SkylineGTR_R32Like there bag of tricks is wild. But like the style and passion isn’t there
Idk. I never followed them really but from videos posted on here in these threads and other wise they seem pretty damn decent. I mean hitting people in the face for social media views is douchey as fuck, but that doesn't mean they're bad skiers. I get the hate but i feel if you're talking strictly skiing ability I think they're pretty damn good.
I don't think you get that good without passion even with family $$$ and good couching. And they seemed stylish enough. I haven't watch enough to really judge but they're clearly really good at skiing. You don't have to like them but I feel it's kinda whack to imply that they're shit skiers because you don't like them as people.
Idk. I don't have a horse in this race or really care so ill tune back out.
theabortionatorIdk. I never followed them really but from videos posted on here in these threads and other wise they seem pretty damn decent. I mean hitting people in the face for social media views is douchey as fuck, but that doesn't mean they're bad skiers. I get the hate but i feel if you're talking strictly skiing ability I think they're pretty damn good.
I don't think you get that good without passion even with family $$$ and good couching. And they seemed stylish enough. I haven't watch enough to really judge but they're clearly really good at skiing. You don't have to like them but I feel it's kinda whack to imply that they're shit skiers because you don't like them as people.
Idk. I don't have a horse in this race or really care so ill tune back out.
No I get that aspect. They definitely didn’t get where they are without a passion and love for the sport. And hard work of course. I meant passion as more of an adjective for their skiing style. And they got style. Don’t get me wrong. But I definitely feel like there are skiers that I personally enjoy watching a lot more than the Fagans
SkylineGTR_R32No I get that aspect. They definitely didn’t get where they are without a passion and love for the sport. And hard work of course. I meant passion as more of an adjective for their skiing style. And they got style. Don’t get me wrong. But I definitely feel like there are skiers that I personally enjoy watching a lot more than the Fagans
BLandzIdk man they’re definitely both cocky fuckheads but I hope they grow up soon so they can pursue their ski careers because they had the style, they had the tricks, they just didn’t have the personality. If they start acting like good, mature members of society I think they deserve a second chance.
K late response but heres my view on the situation. Cancel culture is extremely toxic and it doesn't matter who it happens to; its wrong. There are far better ways to handle the situation. Now as much as i despise the Fagans what happened wasnt fair and im not gonna act like it was justified on the basis of me disliking them. Almost every "edgy" white kid has said the nword at one point and what they said wasnt as special as youd like to think. And it sure doesnt justify jeopardizing his career.
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_mcjakkK late response but heres my view on the situation. Cancel culture is extremely toxic and it doesn't matter who it happens to; its wrong. There are far better ways to handle the situation. Now as much as i despise the Fagans what happened wasnt fair and im not gonna act like it was justified on the basis of me disliking them. Almost every "edgy" white kid has said the nword at one point and what they said wasnt as special as youd like to think. And it sure doesnt justify jeopardizing his career.
**This post was edited on Sep 8th 2020 at 1:24:12pm
_mcjakkCancel culture is extremely toxic and it doesn't matter who it happens to; its wrong.
#FreeBillCosby #LetRKellyInYourKitchen
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I was looking for more examples as i don't typically give a fuck about celebrities. And it made me look into cancel culture more and im kinda flipping on it. Seems to be used as PR recovery or jumping on trends to stay relevant. Seems way over used.
Regardless, theres a shit ton more than these little fucks saying the n word. They have many other filmed instances of being assholes and imagine whats not filmed. If you work hard to be a representative of a team or brand then you need to meet their expectations for being in the public eye. If those entities feel you don't represent their mission and vision then they have all the right to drop em. Shit old guys get dropped after decades of loyalty to brands all the time. Oakley dropped t hall. K2 dropped seth. Dropping these young bucks now is fine. They have ample time to build their character and restablish a career.
partyandBS#FreeBillCosby #LetRKellyInYourKitchen
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I was looking for more examples as i don't typically give a fuck about celebrities. And it made me look into cancel culture more and im kinda flipping on it. Seems to be used as PR recovery or jumping on trends to stay relevant. Seems way over used.
Regardless, theres a shit ton more than these little fucks saying the n word. They have many other filmed instances of being assholes and imagine whats not filmed. If you work hard to be a representative of a team or brand then you need to meet their expectations for being in the public eye. If those entities feel you don't represent their mission and vision then they have all the right to drop em. Shit old guys get dropped after decades of loyalty to brands all the time. Oakley dropped t hall. K2 dropped seth. Dropping these young bucks now is fine. They have ample time to build their character and restablish a career.
Wouldn't you say a big part of it is sensitivity. Lets be real, some edgy white kid saying the n word isnt actually causing any harm. 20 years ago his sponsors would have kept him but now everyone finds every reason to get offended over something that would be otherwise harmless. In most cases cancel culture doesn't target actual pedophiles or rapists and rather goes after words.
north_coasthell yes it fucking is, especially when that edgy white kid is being paid to be a role model for young kids in the ski community
How so? Edgy white kids dont say the n word because they see other people do, they say it for attention. Even if him saying it did cause harm, why are we focusing on people saying the nword rather than people who are causing significant harm to society
_mcjakkHow so? Edgy white kids dont say the n word because they see other people do, they say it for attention. Even if him saying it did cause harm, why are we focusing on people saying the nword rather than people who are causing significant harm to society
A. It's not about why they say it, it's about why they think it's ok to say it. white teen sees cool pro skiers saying N word > think it's ok for them to say it too
B. Were talking about skiing here, if you know any pedophile/rapist pros please point them out so we can notify there sponsors/the police
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a_burgerA. It's not about why they say it, it's about why they think it's ok to say it. white teen sees cool pro skiers saying N word > think it's ok for them to say it too
B. Were talking about skiing here, if you know any pedophile/rapist pros please point them out so we can notify there sponsors/the police
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We're not talking abt skiing, we're talking abt cancel culture, in what world does cancel culture relate strictly to skiing
And kids who say the n word dont say because some celebrity they look up to says it, they say it because they think being offensive is a cool look. The fact thay white people cant say the nword is ingrained in our society and seeing one person say it wont make them think its ok
_mcjakkWe're not talking abt skiing, we're talking abt cancel culture, in what world does cancel culture relate strictly to skiing
And kids who say the n word dont say because some celebrity they look up to says it, they say it because they think being offensive is a cool look. The fact thay white people cant say the nword is ingrained in our society and seeing one person say it wont make them think its ok
This is a thread about pro skiers on a skiing website. go make some shitty thread in nsg if you want to pretend organizations don't have the right to terminate employees who are being racist/sexist/pedophiles (and if you are upset by other individuals "canceling" someone by not supporting them then why do you give a shit? That's their choice)
I'm not really sure what your trying to argue with kids being edgy, are you saying it's okay to say racist shit because it's edgy? You say 1 person isn't making a difference because it's ingrained in our society to not say the nword but influencers like the fagans are a great way to un-ingrain it.
a_burgerThis is a thread about pro skiers on a skiing website. go make some shitty thread in nsg if you want to pretend organizations don't have the right to terminate employees who are being racist/sexist/pedophiles (and if you are upset by other individuals "canceling" someone by not supporting them then why do you give a shit? That's their choice)
I'm not really sure what your trying to argue with kids being edgy, are you saying it's okay to say racist shit because it's edgy? You say 1 person isn't making a difference because it's ingrained in our society to not say the nword but influencers like the fagans are a great way to un-ingrain it.
Congrats, youve managed to take what i said out of context twice now. The whole point that im getting at is cancel culture is toxic. And i give a shit because its accelerating at a scary ass rate. Not once did i say its ok to be racist or that its wrong to terminate racist employees. Your moral superiority complex is really shining rn
_mcjakkCongrats, youve managed to take what i said out of context twice now. The whole point that im getting at is cancel culture is toxic. And i give a shit because its accelerating at a scary ass rate. Not once did i say its ok to be racist or that its wrong to terminate racist employees. Your moral superiority complex is really shining rn
a_burgerOk so explain what cancel culture is then?
When a large group of people gather together to attempt to get someone fired from a job, ostracized from a social platform, or anything along those lines for what they deem to be socially unacceptable, however this social acceptability factor can be easily questioned as people have been cancelled for ridiculous reasons
_mcjakkWouldn't you say a big part of it is sensitivity. Lets be real, some edgy white kid saying the n word isnt actually causing any harm. 20 years ago his sponsors would have kept him but now everyone finds every reason to get offended over something that would be otherwise harmless. In most cases cancel culture doesn't target actual pedophiles or rapists and rather goes after words.
20 years ago it would have been fine is a terrible arguement unless they are skiing on 20 year old skis and in 20 year old goggles. But much like skis, things have evolved and will continue to evolve.
Edit: oh and the too sensitive part: were talking about racial slurs because an unarmed black man was murdered at the hands of the police. So no, i dont think handling racism in even the lightest most harmful way is being too sensitive given the times. People are fucking dying. And again, the slurs are the tip of the ice berg.
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_mcjakkWhen a large group of people gather together to attempt to get someone fired from a job, ostracized from a social platform, or anything along those lines for what they deem to be socially unacceptable, however this social acceptability factor can be easily questioned as people have been cancelled for ridiculous reasons
So when someone gets fired from a job, it is the employer who makes that call. Either:
A. They research the claims and fire the person if they find them to be true
B. They find the claims false, person keeps their job and usually publicly explains why the allegations are false, people move on
C. They find the claims are false/inconclusive, but the person in question has done such a shit job representing themselves during the situation that they get fired for being a poor representative of the company.
Situation C seems to be what most of the cancel culture fear is about, someone being falsely accused of something and being punished for it, but any reasonable employer will seriously look into the claims and determine that there was a concerted effort to "cancel" someone. If the person being accused can't put together a reasonable excuse to explain their actions or at the very least a meaningful apology (which any large firm will likely have a PR department to assist with), it becomes an issue of optics for the company and that person is a liability. If you have any solid examples with good proof of people getting canceled for things they didn't do I'd like to see them, but from what I've seen most of those attempts don't get enough traction to cancel someone anyways
As for getting ostracized from society there's nothing you can really do about that. If a group of people collectively decide to ostracize someone for their actions or morals, that's their choice. For example me and a lot of the people in this thread have every right to never watch a Fagan edit or insta post again (though personally speaking I'd give them another chance if they REALLY redeem themselves by actively speaking out against misuse of the nword)
I hope you realize I'm not attacking you personally btw, but I've seen a lot of people use the argument "cancel culture is bad" to completely exonerate scummy people.
partyandBS20 years ago it would have been fine is a terrible arguement unless they are skiing on 20 year old skis and in 20 year old goggles. But much like skis, things have evolved and will continue to evolve.
Edit: oh and the too sensitive part: were talking about racial slurs because an unarmed black man was murdered at the hands of the police. So no, i dont think handling racism in even the lightest most harmful way is being too sensitive given the times. People are fucking dying. And again, the slurs are the tip of the ice berg.
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Yes i understand its a slur and i dont agree with him saying it but in most cases when people are cancelled, its by privileged white kids living in gated neighborhoods who dont contribute to any form of charity or volunteer yet think theyre in the position to deem what is and isnt offensive. Racism is a real problem, im not denying it but some edgy white kid saying the n word doesnt singlehandedly control the degree of racism in the world and chances are he isnt saying it out of hate for another culture and is rather saying it for the attention he doesnt get in his life. And im not necessarily talking abt skiing, i understand this is a ski forum but conversations shift all the time and rn we're talking. Additionally, societal changes arent always good, if our society shifted towards authoritarianism im sure youd oppose it, this new age of sensitivity isnt a positive change and in most cases the people who end up getting offended in this age are people who dont even identify with the group that should be offended. The best example of this is the Redskins having to change their team name and logo, actual first nations considered it a compliment as the team used a first nations warrior as a symbol of strength, it was those who weren't first nations that deemed it socially unacceptable
a_burgerSo when someone gets fired from a job, it is the employer who makes that call. Either:
A. They research the claims and fire the person if they find them to be true
B. They find the claims false, person keeps their job and usually publicly explains why the allegations are false, people move on
C. They find the claims are false/inconclusive, but the person in question has done such a shit job representing themselves during the situation that they get fired for being a poor representative of the company.
Situation C seems to be what most of the cancel culture fear is about, someone being falsely accused of something and being punished for it, but any reasonable employer will seriously look into the claims and determine that there was a concerted effort to "cancel" someone. If the person being accused can't put together a reasonable excuse to explain their actions or at the very least a meaningful apology (which any large firm will likely have a PR department to assist with), it becomes an issue of optics for the company and that person is a liability. If you have any solid examples with good proof of people getting canceled for things they didn't do I'd like to see them, but from what I've seen most of those attempts don't get enough traction to cancel someone anyways
As for getting ostracized from society there's nothing you can really do about that. If a group of people collectively decide to ostracize someone for their actions or morals, that's their choice. For example me and a lot of the people in this thread have every right to never watch a Fagan edit or insta post again (though personally speaking I'd give them another chance if they REALLY redeem themselves by actively speaking out against misuse of the nword)
I hope you realize I'm not attacking you personally btw, but I've seen a lot of people use the argument "cancel culture is bad" to completely exonerate scummy people.
in most cases the employee does get fired because a large portion of the internet will be after them and if the company doesnt terminate their employment, the company will start being harrassed and boycotted, ive seen it happen and it always plays out the same. Ive seen someone get fired from their job after getting "cancelled" for saying theyll stab trump supporters ironically. Do you not agree that was taken too far??
_mcjakkin most cases the employee does get fired because a large portion of the internet will be after them and if the company doesnt terminate their employment, the company will start being harrassed and boycotted, ive seen it happen and it always plays out the same. Ive seen someone get fired from their job after getting "cancelled" for saying theyll stab trump supporters ironically. Do you not agree that was taken too far??
Link to the stabbing threat example?
Regardless though, in any case where someone gets fired the company is responsible for that call, shouldn’t they be held responsible? Companies already get enough slack for shit that would get the average person in a ton of trouble, I think we’d be better off of we didn’t let doing their homework on rumors about their employees become another responsibility they can ignore
Regardless though, in any case where someone gets fired the company is responsible for that call, shouldn’t they be held responsible? Companies already get enough slack for shit that would get the average person in a ton of trouble, I think we’d be better off of we didn’t let doing their homework on rumors about their employees become another responsibility they can ignore
If they believe theres a valid reason for firing an employee, they should have first hand experience and not base the decision off of what people on the internet think. And in terms of the link, i dont have it on me but u should be able to find it pretty easily, if you want it that badly tho i might be able to do some digging
Don't care what anybody says about them, if they're gonna get better or not. They'll always be total dickwads in my book. It's like the x_ankilla situation. Yeah, he excels in skiing and art and is very talented but is a total fucking cocksucker. It's the same with these guys
dune_pilotDon't care what anybody says about them, if they're gonna get better or not. They'll always be total dickwads in my book. It's like the x_ankilla situation. Yeah, he excels in skiing and art and is very talented but is a total fucking cocksucker. It's the same with these guys
lmao ankilla started simping for them cause their moms his boss haha
