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Thank you for the notice about the link problem. Tried to fix it.

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We need to get immigrants out of our country. They are taking all of the high paying, good jobs away from us americans... Well, maybe not high paying, but those are damn good jobs... Well. Maybe not.

But my daddy was born here, my daddy's daddy's daddy's daddy's dad was born... Oh wait he was from England.

Well, the point is, we don't want no damn immigrants in this here country. This country was founded by americans, well, y'all know what I mean. This is our country... Well, I guess it's the Native Americans, but it's still our country.

Woooo the south will rise again, Confederate flag and all... But don't worry it's the rebel flag. DT 2020 y'all. He's making our country so great.

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Who knows, maybe without all the visa workers, Vail will actually start paying decent wage to get locals to work for them again.

Doubt it...

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.nastyWho knows, maybe without all the visa workers, Vail will actually start paying decent wage to get locals to work for them again.

Doubt it...

Get ready for ticket prices to double if they do.

I don’t know Vail Resort’s pay scale so it’s not really fair to go after them for that but if they need to raise wages to attract domestic employees then you can almost guarantee ticket prices, food and lodging will all be impacted.

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jermGet ready for ticket prices to double if they do.

I don’t know Vail Resort’s pay scale so it’s not really fair to go after them for that but if they need to raise wages to attract domestic employees then you can almost guarantee ticket prices, food and lodging will all be impacted.

I've heard their pay for corporate staff is pretty below average. Not sure about MTN staff

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ski.loonWe need to get immigrants out of our country. They are taking all of the high paying, good jobs away from us americans... Well, maybe not high paying, but those are damn good jobs... Well. Maybe not.

But my daddy was born here, my daddy's daddy's daddy's daddy's dad was born... Oh wait he was from England.

Well, the point is, we don't want no damn immigrants in this here country. This country was founded by americans, well, y'all know what I mean. This is our country... Well, I guess it's the Native Americans, but it's still our country.

Woooo the south will rise again, Confederate flag and all... But don't worry it's the rebel flag. DT 2020 y'all. He's making our country so great.

What is the point of this post? Like we get it, you're being sarcastic, but why?

Jun 21 2020 2:29PM

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eheathWhat is the point of this post? Like we get it, you're being sarcastic, but why?

night time tv hosts have made satire and politics the same thing.

Jun 21 2020 2:33PM

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jermThis NPR link talks about DT’s plan to end H-1B visas through the end of the year

The H-1B visa is used by seasonal migrant workers. If you have ever been to a ski resort you have undoubtedly encountered several employees utilizing this visa.

How does NS feel about this going into action?

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A few years ago I emailed many, many US ski resorts asking if they will help with a H2b visa (an unskilled visa, the h1-b visa is for graduates / skilled jobs) so I can work temporarily in the US. Less than a handful even bothered to reply and they all said no. So I don't know which employees you're referring to.

It's extremely hard to obtain a work permit for the US, when I skied at Timberline last year I'm pretty sure all of the staff I encountered were American.

I'm happy to be corrected

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The real problem is not that many people are willing to take a low paying seasonal job that is high up in the mountains away from where they live. If you don’t have 4wd you are going to miss shifts, it costs money to buy fuel that cuts into your daily wage pretty hard. if the pass is closed you can’t work, the employee housing is most likely some combination of a hostel and unruly frat house.

They aren’t just going magically convert all these positions into full time benefited salary jobs because immigrants are banned. Although, I don’t think it’s that unfair that work visas are first on the chopping block in times of unprecedented unemployment, Trump just finds a way to always turn normal decision making into something that looks intentionally racist, so who knows.

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eheathWhat is the point of this post? Like we get it, you're being sarcastic, but why?

I'm happy to be serious. I think this decision will have very real affects on many industries. If you just look at the ski industry it will be interesting to see how many of the MTN roles are filled and what it means for wages.

Even as it relates to covid, this could be good policy if we aren't able to do mass testing.

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CaseyIf you don’t have 4wd you are going to miss shifts

Snow tires get the job done just as well. And just knowing how to drive in the snow works. Lotta ski areas also have a decent car pooling or company 4x4 studded tire van situation going on.

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TheMailManA few years ago I emailed many, many US ski resorts asking if they will help with a H2b visa (an unskilled visa, the h1-b visa is for graduates / skilled jobs) so I can work temporarily in the US. Less than a handful even bothered to reply and they all said no. So I don't know which employees you're referring to.

It's extremely hard to obtain a work permit for the US, when I skied at Timberline last year I'm pretty sure all of the staff I encountered were American.

I'm happy to be corrected

I think a lot of the unskilled people who come to the US to work do it through employment agencies that deal with the ski resorts. The resorts might not go through anyone else.

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ski.loonWe need to get immigrants out of our country. They are taking all of the high paying, good jobs away from us americans... Well, maybe not high paying, but those are damn good jobs... Well. Maybe not.

But my daddy was born here, my daddy's daddy's daddy's daddy's dad was born... Oh wait he was from England.

Well, the point is, we don't want no damn immigrants in this here country. This country was founded by americans, well, y'all know what I mean. This is our country... Well, I guess it's the Native Americans, but it's still our country.

Woooo the south will rise again, Confederate flag and all... But don't worry it's the rebel flag. DT 2020 y'all. He's making our country so great.

So here's a thought, if there weren't foreigners to exploit wouldn't the wages go up for the shit jobs that americans supposedly don't want to do? Serious question

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BiffbarfSo here's a thought, if there weren't foreigners to exploit wouldn't the wages go up for the shit jobs that americans supposedly don't want to do? Serious question

I'm honestly not sure. I mean the federal minimum wage has been stuck at 7.25 for so long. I'm not sure if low wages are meant to just take advantage of cheap outsourced labor, or if Americans would also work for those same wages.

Ideally, yes, wages should be increased to make jobs more attractive I guess? But I would have to think some policy would need to be behind it for us to actually see that.

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TheMailManA few years ago I emailed many, many US ski resorts asking if they will help with a H2b visa (an unskilled visa, the h1-b visa is for graduates / skilled jobs) so I can work temporarily in the US. Less than a handful even bothered to reply and they all said no. So I don't know which employees you're referring to.

It's extremely hard to obtain a work permit for the US, when I skied at Timberline last year I'm pretty sure all of the staff I encountered were American.

I'm happy to be corrected

Im sorry your experience was difficult. When I referred to H-1B I was including H-2B as well as that was included in the article. But thank you for making that more clear.

In regards to your comment about resorts not working with you, I was leaning on information from this Denver Post article.

I also agree with the other response to your comment. Where it said that bigger ski resort companies will use hiring agencies to fill their seasonal positions.

it sounds like going it on your own isn’t the best way to do it.

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jermGet ready for ticket prices to double if they do.

I don’t know Vail Resort’s pay scale so it’s not really fair to go after them for that but if they need to raise wages to attract domestic employees then you can almost guarantee ticket prices, food and lodging will all be impacted.

Yeah I work at PC for a non vail owned store and we have vail employees come through often, one girl who’s in often was surprised to hear our wages compared to hers (not much better but better). There’s so many j-1s in PC in the winter and I can see this effecting at least the first part of winter if they cant return until 2021, and of course in white ass Vail fashion they have those people doing strictly cleaning, food work or if they maybe have the skills they become instructors. Vail will likely have to match my works wages for lower end employees if they don’t already, the locals already hate them so they’ll need to really entice people to work for em cause them and resorts all over rely on those workers for cheap ass labor. Indeed says 49% of employees think they’re not paid fairly if that says anything, this looks like another one of trumps low key things he pulled while the country was going nuts over something else.

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Seems pretty standard? Canada has had the US border closed for a while now.

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ScaredwhiteboySeems pretty standard? Canada has had the US border closed for a while now.

standard to what, a pandemic? Sure,but it's going to have significant impact on ski resorts and ski towns for the 20/21 season.

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eheathstandard to what, a pandemic? Sure,but it's going to have significant impact on ski resorts and ski towns for the 20/21 season.

Trump don’t give a fuck about that, gonna be interesting to see how PC does I already heard this last season was short staffed.

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Good. Let the industry squirm. It's stacked with old fucks and regressive retards who insist on doing business they way they've always done it to maintain their status quo.

I'm sick to death of training new employees every year because they're only here long enough to figure out they have no chance of making it more than a season.

It's past time for the ski industry to adapt.

Imagine low income/employee housing being filled with actual Americans.. so radical..

Jun 22 2020 8:09PM

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annnnnnnd its official.

good luck ski resorts along with agriculture and the sciences.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/20/881245867/trump-expected-to-suspend-h-1b-other-visas-until-end-of-year

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T.L.Good. Let the industry squirm. It's stacked with old fucks and regressive retards who insist on doing business they way they've always done it to maintain their status quo.

I'm sick to death of training new employees every year because they're only here long enough to figure out they have no chance of making it more than a season.

It's past time for the ski industry to adapt.

Imagine low income/employee housing being filled with actual Americans.. so radical..

Vails plan every year "Lets pay people like shit, treat then like shit, give them no incentuve to stay, then wonder why we're highering green people to train every year".

Taco bell pays better than northstar pays cats ops with years of experience. Yeah i can't figure out why anyone would leave either.

Nobody is irreplaceable, but letting people with 10+ years walk out the door over the tinyest pay raise to higher a fucking totally green person for a dollar or two less an hour.

Also in addition to experience being at a resort and knowing the ins an outs, the trails, the snowmaking system, the other employees, the features and the general park layouts.

But yeah seems reasonable to lose that for a buck or two an hour. And not even people being greedy. Even entry running one of those machines should start much higher.

Idk i posted on my engagement that if I left northstar id never work for vail again. Slimmest chance if I so early season snowmaking next year for the pass to work with my friends and ride with them the rest of the season.

Idk it's shitty. There are people with mad sills that are humblea as fuck while the industry bones them.

Then it's constantly new people, learning to run cats or other stuff learning the mountain, then they leave rinse repeat.

I just qanna move to some small hill in the midwest, by a house and all these bullshit resorts and the vacation towns around them can go fuck themselves.

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skiermanannnnnnnd its official.

good luck ski resorts along with agriculture and the sciences.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/20/881245867/trump-expected-to-suspend-h-1b-other-visas-until-end-of-year

Your comment isn’t accurate. DT is giving exemptions to agricultural workers.

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theabortionatorVails plan every year "Lets pay people like shit, treat then like shit, give them no incentuve to stay, then wonder why we're highering green people to train every year".

I wanted to comment on Vail's treatment of employees just a little bit. I've never technically been an employee of Vail Resorts (very close but not directly) but I have seen their employee housing in Vail. It used to be quite grimey.
I can't speak to how the employees living there felt at the time, but since I lived there, the old employee housing has been tore down and replaced with new. At the very least you have to give Vail Resorts credit for not letting their employee housing turn to squalor.

I also understand that what they're doing is gentrification of mountain towns.

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jermYour comment isn’t accurate. DT is giving exemptions to agricultural workers.

Damn, that's great to hear he's selectively affecting the industries based on who will vote for him. Its almost like in Bolton's book which claims Trump only makes moves based on his reelection prospects and he really doesn't care about our country at all.

Last time I checked, the Republican party was all about destroying any semblance of a free market in order to sway an election.

Wait.... what?

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skiermanDamn, that's great to hear he's selectively affecting the industries based on who will vote for him. Its almost like in Bolton's book which claims Trump only makes moves based on his reelection prospects and he really doesn't care about our country at all.

Last time I checked, the Republican party was all about destroying any semblance of a free market in order to sway an election.

Wait.... what?

I more wanted to quote and comment because the exceptions he made don’t help ski resort employees.
I really want to hear what the plan ski resorts have.

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jermI wanted to comment on Vail's treatment of employees just a little bit. I've never technically been an employee of Vail Resorts (very close but not directly) but I have seen their employee housing in Vail. It used to be quite grimey.
I can't speak to how the employees living there felt at the time, but since I lived there, the old employee housing has been tore down and replaced with new. At the very least you have to give Vail Resorts credit for not letting their employee housing turn to squalor.

I also understand that what they're doing is gentrification of mountain towns.

I mean. If they didn't house some people they wouldn't have any workers. At least in CO they do have employee housing.

Aspen snowmass has super nice employee housing and treats their employees at least human. For the mega corps they do a pretty good job. Sure it's still corporate as fuck but they at least care or pretend to about the people.

Idk I've defended Vail against a lot of dumb people over the years, and still so. Im not one of those fuck the corporations guys. But I do have some decent gripes with the company. Idk same old same old i guess

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Not Vail but id think local hills would just pay kids on UI in cash. And maybe throw in a dorm that would normally go to a J1.

There isn’t gonna be much international travel in the next 6 months

.nastyWho knows, maybe without all the visa workers, Vail will actually start paying decent wage to get locals to work for them again.

Doubt it...

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jermGet ready for ticket prices to double if they do.

I don’t know Vail Resort’s pay scale so it’s not really fair to go after them for that but if they need to raise wages to attract domestic employees then you can almost guarantee ticket prices, food and lodging will all be impacted.

No they are bracing for a rough winter and just praying they don’t have to close the lodge. Gaper families aren’t flying out from Jersey. They will already be cutting me a bigger deal on lodging than they’d like to ride lifts and all that they just are hoping they can sell me 10 overpriced beers.

Hopefully we get good snow in the fly to destinations and those locals get tons of untracked. I think Tahoe/Utah/Washington and CO resorts near Denver will be slammed with locals it’s still outdoor recreation after all.

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he's just trying to keep his base, even though it's getting smaller and smaller everyday

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BiffbarfSo here's a thought, if there weren't foreigners to exploit wouldn't the wages go up for the shit jobs that americans supposedly don't want to do? Serious question

In normal times but wages will go down once all this unemployment ends.

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