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This last week the worlds seen the true side of the problem with the police, even my friend from high school who’s brother is a cop in our hometown is posting on IG calling out all cops. I’ve always thought the “not all cops are bad” and although I can see maybe a small percentage is, but if you work in the US as a cop you should fuck off.
JAHpowGeorge Floyd had coronavirus. So if we're going to remain consistent with the pandemic. Derek Chauvin did not kill Floyd; covid-19 did. This is a simple coronavirus fatality.
This might actually be consistent with him saying he couldnt breathe. The combination of being on Fentanyl, having Coronavirus and the stress of being restrained by cops could cause him to die.
SuspiciousFishThis might actually be consistent with him saying he couldnt breathe. The combination of being on Fentanyl, having Coronavirus and the stress of being restrained by cops could cause him to die.
While he tested positive for coronavirus, he had no lung damage from it. At least, that's what I read. So he was probably asymptomatic, or had minor symptoms.
Also, to all the people downvoting that post of mine- you need to take a lesson in sarcasm.
**This post was edited on Jun 5th 2020 at 2:35:43pm
SuspiciousFishThis might actually be consistent with him saying he couldnt breathe. The combination of being on Fentanyl, having Coronavirus and the stress of being restrained by cops could cause him to die.
Nah, pretty sure it was the 8 minutes of an officer jamming his shin into his neck where he died immediately afterward was the cause of death.
gluckgluck9000Why is Derek Chauvin wearing a mask at his recent court hearing?
Well, there's this little thing that's been going on for the past couple of months. Not sure if you've heard of it. It's called "coronavirus" or something. Idk. Supposedly it's like this possibly dangerous virus going around. People have been wearing masks to help combat the spread. Maybe he's wearing it to keep his mouth germs suppressed in the courthouse, but I could be wrong.
JAHpowWell, there's this little thing that's been going on for the past couple of months. Not sure if you've heard of it. It's called "coronavirus" or something. Idk. Supposedly it's like this possibly dangerous virus going around. People have been wearing masks to help combat the spread. Maybe he's wearing it to keep his mouth germs suppressed in the courthouse, but I could be wrong.
i just dont get why he cares about his life. he is going to be in prison forever. not like he has much to live for
skiermanNah, pretty sure it was the 8 minutes of an officer jamming his shin into his neck where he died immediately afterward was the cause of death.
There is no physical evidence that excessive neck pressure was applied or was the cause of death. Even the independent autopsy said there was no physical evidence but said the video was evidence the pressure killed George. There would be some kind of bruising or marks etc if this was actually the case. Further, the cops called the ambulance BEFORE restraining him because at that point he was already collapsing and having issues which indicates some kind of underlying health issue either medical or by the Fentanyl and Meth in his system or a combination of both.
The cops fucked up for sure and improperly restrained him and screwed the situation up which contributed directly to his death but the evidence does not show they meant to kill George. This is a case of negligent homicide, not 1st degree murder like many are saying.
SuspiciousFishThere is no physical evidence that excessive neck pressure was applied or was the cause of death. Even the independent autopsy said there was no physical evidence but said the video was evidence the pressure killed George. There would be some kind of bruising or marks etc if this was actually the case. Further, the cops called the ambulance BEFORE restraining him because at that point he was already collapsing and having issues which indicates some kind of underlying health issue either medical or by the Fentanyl and Meth in his system or a combination of both.
The cops fucked up for sure and improperly restrained him and screwed the situation up which contributed directly to his death but the evidence does not show they meant to kill George. This is a case of negligent homicide, not 1st degree murder like many are saying.
Ok, then refute what im saying. The initial 911 call stated that George appeared "Extremely Drunk" and "Not in control of himself". He collapsed for an unknown reason outside the squad car. The initial autopsy showed he had Fentanyl and Meth in his system which was not checked or refuted by the independent autopsy. This evidence directly counters that he was good health at the time of his arrest.
If anything the cop on his back compressing George's lungs had more of a contribution to his death than the cop on his neck. 3rd degree murder is still murder like if I drive 120 mph down the highway and kill someone. In the same token if you break protocol in restraining someone and it kills them its murder, I dont however believe they intended to kill the guy. I mean, why would you call the EMT with a Level 3 emergency call then try to kill him in front of bystanders before the ambulance arrives? Also, if multiple cops were involved and had intent, where is the audio they conspired to want to kill him?
Edit: There is some weird shit that went down with the EMTs. First off, they check his pulse but do no CPR and just load him into the ambulance? Then they call for additional fire department support en route saying, "He is going into cardiac arrest". Why would they say that if he was already dead? Did he in fact have a pulse at the scene then died in the ambulance???
SuspiciousFishOk, then refute what im saying. The initial 911 call stated that George appeared "Extremely Drunk" and "Not in control of himself". He collapsed for an unknown reason outside the squad car. The initial autopsy showed he had Fentanyl and Meth in his system which was not checked or refuted by the independent autopsy. This evidence directly counters that he was good health at the time of his arrest.
If anything the cop on his back compressing George's lungs had more of a contribution to his death than the cop on his neck. 3rd degree murder is still murder like if I drive 120 mph down the highway and kill someone. In the same token if you break protocol in restraining someone and it kills them its murder, I dont however believe they intended to kill the guy. I mean, why would you call the EMT with a Level 3 emergency call then try to kill him in front of bystanders before the ambulance arrives? Also, if multiple cops were involved and had intent, where is the audio they conspired to want to kill him?
the mother fuckers knee was on his neck for 9 minutes. enough said.
SuspiciousFishThere is no physical evidence that excessive neck pressure was applied or was the cause of death.
The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.
skiermanThe independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.
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The 'independent' autopsy was paid for by the family and was under massive political pressure to give a specific answer. They even said the only evidence they had was watching the video which meant there were no marks on his neck to show this.
This also doesnt account for why the paramedics didnt do CPR even though procedure states you ALWAYS do CPR and deliberate if cardiac arrest is suspected to have happened within 5 minutes. Further, why did the ambulance call for additional medical backup a few blocks away saying the patient is going into cardiac arrest if he is already dead at the scene?
This evidence shows that George was alive and unconscious when paramedics got him and had a pulse which is why they put him in the ambulance and sped off with sirens on then called for additional help.
SuspiciousFishOk, then refute what im saying. The initial 911 call stated that George appeared "Extremely Drunk" and "Not in control of himself". He collapsed for an unknown reason outside the squad car. The initial autopsy showed he had Fentanyl and Meth in his system which was not checked or refuted by the independent autopsy. This evidence directly counters that he was good health at the time of his arrest.
If anything the cop on his back compressing George's lungs had more of a contribution to his death than the cop on his neck. 3rd degree murder is still murder like if I drive 120 mph down the highway and kill someone. In the same token if you break protocol in restraining someone and it kills them its murder, I dont however believe they intended to kill the guy. I mean, why would you call the EMT with a Level 3 emergency call then try to kill him in front of bystanders before the ambulance arrives? Also, if multiple cops were involved and had intent, where is the audio they conspired to want to kill him?
Edit: There is some weird shit that went down with the EMTs. First off, they check his pulse but do no CPR and just load him into the ambulance? Then they call for additional fire department support en route saying, "He is going into cardiac arrest". Why would they say that if he was already dead? Did he in fact have a pulse at the scene then died in the ambulance???
**This post was edited on Jun 5th 2020 at 4:32:47pm
Are you trying to argue that what the officer did wasn’t a problem? If the man was already in a medical emergency a police officer should know you don’t restrict their fucking airways with your knee. He was also pretty clearly stating he couldn’t breathe, at that point you don’t just sit there like a sack of shit and not help, but wait all these cops are brutally beating innocent people with no care. Also the fact that the guy pretty much sat there til he was KO’d is a pretty clear sign that’s the cause of his death. Only suspicious thing is the immediate gurney and no resuscitation attempt, but who knows what went on inside the ambulance off camera.
Titus69Are you trying to argue that what the officer did wasn’t a problem? If the man was already in a medical emergency a police officer should know you don’t restrict their fucking airways with your knee. He was also pretty clearly stating he couldn’t breathe, at that point you don’t just sit there like a sack of shit and not help, but wait all these cops are brutally beating innocent people with no care. Also the fact that the guy pretty much sat there til he was KO’d is a pretty clear sign that’s the cause of his death. Only suspicious thing is the immediate gurney and no resuscitation attempt, but who knows what went on inside the ambulance off camera.
Definitely not. In just saying this should be 3rd degree murder and not Murder 1 like people are looking for. The cops should have put him on his side in the "Rescue Position" or whatever its called and waited for EMT. Im not sure what the policy is on cops doing medical on their own but its probably pretty limited. In any case, the evidence looks like he was intoxicated on Fentanyl, collapsed outside the squad car and started bleeding from his mouth, was clearly improperly restrained by the arresting officers which most likely contributed to his becoming unconscious, was picked up by EMT and died of cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital. This would account for why the cops kept on restraining him 4 minutes after he was unconscious because they could feel he was still breathing.
The evidence does challenge the "official narrative" which has been responsible for countless ruined lives due to property destruction and people killing each other rioting. There are some really negative and messed up things in the US about race and issues with the Black community that we should all come together to address and fix on a systemic level to clean up and rebuild inner city communities. The problem here is there is a massive emotional response based on faulty evidence, people are dying and more are going to die, peoples lives were ruined through arson and destruction and everyone has turned race relations into a virtue signaling meme so they can pat each other on the back on social media. Six months from now people will forget about this, White America will go back to pretending kids are not getting killed everyday by gang violence and instead of small businesses in local communities, there will be more shitty Walmarts because only they could afford to rebuild.
gluckgluck9000Fuck u. The asshole is going to jail for the rest of his life. Go suck bawls u fruit!
Fucking
PeppermillRenoYea he’s a little bitch. You don’t need to plan first degree murder the day before. He had over 8 minutes to decide to not murder George Floyd.
Editing this for complete and subjective opinion with objective facts. Buckle up folks.
All pictures are from the county autopsy.
County autopsy basically said drugs plus heart disease caused his death. Private autopsy said otherwise. What's obvious in the video is he passes out at about 2min into the 8min before he is loaded into the ambulance. Did he go into respiratory arrest then? Cardiac arrest? Neither until in the ambulance? Given the lack of trust and initial response by the department surrounding his death, I wouldn't be to quick to trust their report. The video speaks volumes and the officer on his neck and pressure on his diaphragm directly and negligently and probably criminally contributed to his death without question.
If I had to guess, he either went unconscious due to lack of blood flow to the brain or due to hypoxemia. Either way, the officer continued to kneel there. Any temporary problem just became more permanent as the minutes ticked by. I'm at work so can't re-watch the video but from what I remember there didn't appear to be any visible chest rise indicating breathing. So I would guess he passed out at 2min and went into respiratory arrest and or cardiac arrest shortly after. You don't have a heart beat long after stopping breathing so he probably was in cardiac arrest when they felt for a pulse but that's all speculation. I'm leaning towards this being true though because of how they reacted when they were "treating him". He clearly was incapacitated. Likely not breathing. Possibly in arrest. They then put his limp body onto the bed and put in him the ambulance. At that point his GCS was clearly 3. EMS probably would have intubated him at the scene or provided bag mask ventilations. Airway is #1.That's the first thing they would have done. Not spend precious minutes loading him in a truck. The complacency in their response should honestly be investigated too. OK so that's the subjective video breakdown.
Now to the first autopsy. Atherosclerosis, mild cardiomegaly, and hypertension history. Could stress cause a response that induces cardiac arrest? Idk. Maybe. Roll some dice. Next is the tox report below:
-Fentanyl 11ng/mL (he was pretty high based on the store owner video)
-Methamphetamine 19ng/mL (insignificant)
-Ignoring the rest because they're irrelevant to this point.
Fentanyl: a C2 drug commonly used recreationally and medically. Fatal serum concentrations are variable. His level was definitely higher than analgesic levels up to 2ng/mL however he likely had tolerance to be able to function somewhat normally. Really high but not dead. Unconsciousness from fentanyl in opioid-naive (which he was not) patients doesn't occur until 35ng/mL during continuous infusions. Opioid users are not infrequent like Marijuana for example. (He likely had some sort of tolerance built up)- yes but he was also visibly disoriented. Also the issue of are fentanyl post mortem results reliable as blood levels can increase as a result of redistribution: Google "Andresen et al, 2012 fentanyl".
Methamphetamine: actually a C2 drug. Not that they use it anymore but pediatric dosing is 25mg/day. His blood level was much lower than levels found in fatal cases; 10 times less. And usually people who overdose do so with other drugs too so while there's an additive effect with opiates, I wouldn't expect this to make a huge difference in his respiratory status. The point is, his methamphetamine level was not a toxic level. Essentially it was a level that you'd see after a normal safe dose for children. The minimum known lethal exposure for adults is 140mg.
Also consider that drug abusers develop tolerance. The serum concentrations they can handle are impressive. His meth and fentanyl blood levels are not unusually concerning.
Covid-19: his disease was mild if not asymptomatic. While he had congestion on the autopsy, he had no edema which is what would cause the most issues. Regardless, him saying "I can't breathe" in combination with any disease should not be overlooked. A disease or illness or symptom of not breathing is not something that you can ignore and get away with.
Conclusion: so what does this say? Was he a drug user? Yes. Was he so high that it caused him to go into respiratory arrest or cardiac arrest? Possibly although unlikely unless respiratory arrest occurs. Could him possibly being impaired contributed to his inability to protect his airway when challenged by 100+ lbs on it? Absolutely but it is still no excuse. In fact he struggled a bit. It seemed subjectively obvious that the police officer restricting his airway caused him to not be able to adequately ventilate and he subsequently went into respiratory and then cardiac arrest. The officer was made aware of concerns and ignored. Negligence. He went unconscious and still no immediate aid. Criminal.
Kinda interesting just found this after I typed all of this up about the drug issue and sums it up
Last thing. You alluded to a conflict of interest with private autopsy. First off, both autopsies had conflicts. The county had a highly political situation and could easily have pressured the pathologist into giving the autopsy as he did (which he later changed ^^^, still I respect and trust in his autonomy). The private autopsy used two different pathologists who both concluded the same thing. Their only conflict of interest is money and pleasing the family. They get paid regardless of the results. This isn't a black and white science but I would wholeheartedly trust two independent physicians over a county medical examiner (also physician) who for him this is just another body. The extra attention to detail might not be there. Tbh it could have been an honest mistake and he missed a sign. I highly doubt the independent pathologists would stake their reputation, oaths, and future income to falsify results that don't benefit them. Get real man.
**This post was edited on Jun 8th 2020 at 4:25:38pm
Editing this for complete and subjective opinion with objective facts. Buckle up folks.
All pictures are from the county autopsy.
County autopsy basically said drugs plus heart disease caused his death. Private autopsy said otherwise. What's obvious in the video is he passes out at about 2min into the 8min before he is loaded into the ambulance. Did he go into respiratory arrest then? Cardiac arrest? Neither until in the ambulance? Given the lack of trust and initial response by the department surrounding his death, I wouldn't be to quick to trust their report. The video speaks volumes and the officer on his neck and pressure on his diaphragm directly and negligently and probably criminally contributed to his death without question.
If I had to guess, he either went unconscious due to lack of blood flow to the brain or due to hypoxemia. Either way, the officer continued to kneel there. Any temporary problem just became more permanent as the minutes ticked by. I'm at work so can't re-watch the video but from what I remember there didn't appear to be any visible chest rise indicating breathing. So I would guess he passed out at 2min and went into respiratory arrest and or cardiac arrest shortly after. You don't have a heart beat long after stopping breathing so he probably was in cardiac arrest when they felt for a pulse but that's all speculation. I'm leaning towards this being true though because of how they reacted when they were "treating him". He clearly was incapacitated. Likely not breathing. Possibly in arrest. They then put his limp body onto the bed and put in him the ambulance. At that point his GCS was clearly 3. EMS probably would have intubated him at the scene or provided bag mask ventilations. Airway is #1.That's the first thing they would have done. Not spend precious minutes loading him in a truck. The complacency in their response should honestly be investigated too. OK so that's the subjective video breakdown.
Now to the first autopsy. Atherosclerosis, mild cardiomegaly, and hypertension history. Could stress cause a response that induces cardiac arrest? Idk. Maybe. Roll some dice. Next is the tox report below:
-Fentanyl 11ng/mL (mind altering but functioning)
-Methamphetamine 19ng/mL (insignificant)
-Ignoring the rest because they're irrelevant to this point.
Fentanyl: a C2 drug commonly used recreationally and medically. Fatal serum concentrations are much higher than the level he had. His level was definitely higher than analgesic levels up to 2ng/mL however he likely had tolerance to be able to function normally. High but not dead. Unconsciousness from fentanyl in opioid-naive (which he was not) patients doesn't occur until 35ng/mL. Opioid users are not infrequent like Marijuana for example. He likely had some sort of tolerance built up. Also the issue of are fentanyl post mortem results reliable as blood levels can increase as a result of redistribution: Google "Andresen et al, 2012 fentanyl". In lamens terms he might not even have been high....
Methamphetamine: actually a C2 drug. Not that they use it anymore but pediatric dosing is 25mg/day. His blood level was much lower than levels found in fatal cases; 10 times less. And usually people who overdose do so with other drugs too so while there's an additive effect with opiates, I wouldn't expect this to make a huge difference in his respiratory status. The point is, his methamphetamine level was not a toxic level. Essentially it was a level that you'd see after a normal safe dose for children. The minimum known lethal exposure for adults is 140mg.
Also consider that drug abusers develop tolerance. The serum concentrations they can handle are impressive. His meth and fentanyl blood levels are not unusually concerning.
Covid-19: his disease was mild if not asymptomatic. While he had congestion on the autopsy, he had no edema which is what would cause the most issues. Regardless, him saying "I can't breathe" in combination with any disease should not be overlooked. A disease or illness or symptom of not breathing is not something that you can ignore and get away with.
Conclusion: so what does this say? Was he a drug user? Yes. Was he so high that it caused him to go into respiratory arrest or cardiac arrest? Unlikely even with the additive effect and cardiac disease and known serious side effects of both drugs. Could him possibly being impaired contributed to his inability to protect his airway when challenged by 100+ lbs on it? Absolutely but it is still no excuse. In fact he struggled a bit and would indicate he wasn't sky high on the charts. It seemed subjectively obvious that the police officer restricting his airway caused him to not be able to adequately ventilate and he subsequently went into respiratory and then cardiac arrest. The officer was made aware of concerns and ignored. Negligence. He went unconscious and still no immediate aid. Criminal.
Kinda interesting just found this after I typed all of this up about the drug issue and sums it up
Last thing. You alluded to a conflict of interest with private autopsy. First off, both autopsies had conflicts. The county had a highly political situation and could easily have pressured the pathologist into giving the autopsy as he did (which he later changed ^^^, still I respect and trust in his autonomy). The private autopsy used two different pathologists who both concluded the same thing. Their only conflict of interest is money and pleasing the family. They get paid regardless of the results. This isn't a black and white science but I would wholeheartedly trust two independent physicians over a county medical examiner (also physician) who for him this is just another body. The extra attention to detail might not be there. Tbh it could have been an honest mistake and he missed a sign. I highly doubt the independent pathologists would stake their reputation, oaths, and future income to falsify results that don't benefit them. Get real man.
**This post was edited on Jun 6th 2020 at 5:25:43am
Very well put, I see now with the proof he had drugs in his system but like you kinda said it’s not likely it was OD levels in his system. He obviously had health problems too but you know, maybe if he wasn’t being kneeled on those problems wouldn’t have been so severe. It’s kinda like with an old person, you don’t surprise or scare em cause most of em are gonna have a heart attack, just in general you don’t kneel on someone’s neck, especially if you don’t know how their body will handle it. My assumption is he went into cardiac arrest because he has underlying issues and was being choked out, but who knows. IMO fuck yourself if you say this guy isn’t at least 90% of the reason the guys dead, fucking bootlickers.
Titus69Very well put, I see now with the proof he had drugs in his system but like you kinda said it’s not likely it was OD levels in his system. He obviously had health problems too but you know, maybe if he wasn’t being kneeled on those problems wouldn’t have been so severe. It’s kinda like with an old person, you don’t surprise or scare em cause most of em are gonna have a heart attack, just in general you don’t kneel on someone’s neck, especially if you don’t know how their body will handle it. My assumption is he went into cardiac arrest because he has underlying issues and was being choked out, but who knows. IMO fuck yourself if you say this guy isn’t at least 90% of the reason the guys dead, fucking bootlickers.
I say he is at least 99.999999999999999999999999999999¹⁰% of the reason the guys dead.
SuspiciousFishDefinitely not. In just saying this should be 3rd degree murder and not Murder 1 like people are looking for. The cops should have put him on his side in the "Rescue Position" or whatever its called and waited for EMT. Im not sure what the policy is on cops doing medical on their own but its probably pretty limited. In any case, the evidence looks like he was intoxicated on Fentanyl, collapsed outside the squad car and started bleeding from his mouth, was clearly improperly restrained by the arresting officers which most likely contributed to his becoming unconscious, was picked up by EMT and died of cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital. This would account for why the cops kept on restraining him 4 minutes after he was unconscious because they could feel he was still breathing.
The evidence does challenge the "official narrative" which has been responsible for countless ruined lives due to property destruction and people killing each other rioting. There are some really negative and messed up things in the US about race and issues with the Black community that we should all come together to address and fix on a systemic level to clean up and rebuild inner city communities. The problem here is there is a massive emotional response based on faulty evidence, people are dying and more are going to die, peoples lives were ruined through arson and destruction and everyone has turned race relations into a virtue signaling meme so they can pat each other on the back on social media. Six months from now people will forget about this, White America will go back to pretending kids are not getting killed everyday by gang violence and instead of small businesses in local communities, there will be more shitty Walmarts because only they could afford to rebuild.
Yup, the evidence that he was trying to kill Floyd is non-existent. The basic logic of people who think this should be more than third degree murder is that "all cops are racist" and "all racists want to kill blacks" therefore "this cop wanted to kill this black man." Obviously, both of the premises are false so the conclusion is also false.
ScaredwhiteboyYup, the evidence that he was trying to kill Floyd is non-existent. The basic logic of people who think this should be more than third degree murder is that "all cops are racist" and "all racists want to kill blacks" therefore "this cop wanted to kill this black man." Obviously, both of the premises are false so the conclusion is also false.
And for anyone debating that there there wasn't criminal intent to murder above, here's the full video. It's clear it goes from excessive force to oops to I'm going to continue this even though I know fucked up. Read my post about the autopsy where I break down the video. If any lay person did this, they would be fucked. https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CTIq6_1591489222
Film.This just in Minneapolis renamed to East Mogadishu
Lmao this idea is gonna be interesting. There's still things we need police for but they do need a change in scope of abilities and more accountability. Protect and serve is not how they act in everyday life. We do need a better focus on poverty, drugs, and mental health rather than pushing it aside and using the police to shield us from it.
Fun fact, Columbus actually has a huge Somali population and my Somali uber driver the one night was talking about how the biggest population of somalis is in Minneapolis. The Somalis call it "little dishu". 🤣😂 I kid you not.
**This post was edited on Jun 7th 2020 at 8:59:56pm
I like the concept of a more community focused law enforcement. Officers serve in only one neighborhood, establishing postive personal relationships where people and officers actually know each other. Officers are not evaluated on how arrests they make but rather how few crimes are called in and reported in their neighborhood. This replaces the statistical approach that leads to officers fishing for arrests by randomly stopping people. Not totally against what Minneapolis is doing, but fear that this is to big of a project/change and is not thought enough to go onto effect eithout causing a ton of problems. This kind of change does not happen this quickly.
