Gun Control

Dustin.Ya I can't think of any time in American history that's ever happened....dude you can't be serious.

Unfortunately I am not American and do not have amazing knowledge of American history, but I assume you are talking about the Vietnam war?

i just don’t understand the parallels here. Viet cong were an organized communist militant group that had lived their whole lives in the dense jungles of Northern Vietnam. Working as a unit in organized stealth warfare.

I don’t see how the regular American population compares to this.

Also I still don’t see a clear threat to American civilians on American soil.

JAHBRADORUnfortunately I am not American and do not have amazing knowledge of American history, but I assume you are talking about the Vietnam war?

i just don’t understand the parallels here. Viet cong were an organized communist militant group that had lived their whole lives in the dense jungles of Northern Vietnam. Working as a unit in organized stealth warfare.

I don’t see how the regular American population compares to this.

Also I still don’t see a clear threat to American civilians on American soil.

Kids were literaly walking up to american soldiers as suicide bombers. There was not much organization other than "give em hell." As Dustin mentioned, citizens and gorilla style also played a huge role in the American Revolution.

Old song. As far as I understand, the Americans will never give up free possession of weapons.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/964976/Caskey--Martial-Law--Official-Video

JAHBRADORStricter gun control =/= completely outlawing something.

Most of these mass shooting have been carried out with legally purchased firearms from states with lax gun control.

I highly doubt a loner with no friends is going to be able to hit up his local Cartel for an AK.

Didn't want to jump in but here goes.

True "mass shootings" are a spec in the sea of gun deaths in this country. They are more akin to terrorism and strikes fear in the population. The media makes it worse. I'm not saying it wouldn't be terrifying but when the homies drove by my house and shot their gun in the air while I was in the driveway, you bet first thing I thought after ducking is "I wish I had my gun".

Gang violence and suicides account for an insanely more amount of gun deaths than a few mass shootings that captured the news attention for a week or two. And people don't give me the mass shooting stat that there were tons in the US each year; they're including all the gang mass shootings in that too. I regularly read what some may call liberal news and I'm a Democrat. 😱 Even to me these stories get very annoying over time and the media clearly has no grasp on what guns actually are. The context in these stories make it seem like some mythical super weapon is out there. If you know anything about guns and follow the news, you'll understand what I'm referencing. If anyone would like me to elaborate further, let me know.

You think the ganstas with felony rap sheets are purchasing guns legally from adjacent states? No most of the shit they have is illegally purchased or stolen (230k each year stolen per google).

On the other hand it is SUPER easy to purchase a gun. Anyone could lie their way through the process as long as they pass the part where the dealer calls the ATF (can't remember who they call. Been a while). Could improve on that aspect.

Restrictions on certain weapons and magazines does nothing. When there's a will there's a way. Also magazines take 2 seconds to swap out.

We definitely need mental health improvements and kids need to stop being vicious animals to each other in school.


Edit: and don't get me wrong. There are PLENTY of terrible gun owners out there of every demographic. Some you look at and just shake your head. There is no such thing as "the gun just went off". It's negligence no matter how you spin it. The scene in Black Hawk Down where the delta guy goes "this is my safety" referring to his finger, couldn't be more true. And people need to lock up their firearms and stop leaving them where their kids can find them.

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JAHBRADORUnfortunately I am not American and do not have amazing knowledge of American history, but I assume you are talking about the Vietnam war?

i just don’t understand the parallels here. Viet cong were an organized communist militant group that had lived their whole lives in the dense jungles of Northern Vietnam. Working as a unit in organized stealth warfare.

I don’t see how the regular American population compares to this.

Also I still don’t see a clear threat to American civilians on American soil.

The American Revolution is largely acknowledged as beginning at Lexington when British soldiers were sent to take guns from the people that lived there. The colonists realized this was the last step before they’d be completely defenseless and have to succumb to the very tyranny they left Europe to escape. A group of armed civilians organized and refused to let the soldiers into town, and (history will never know who) someone shot a gun starting a small skirmish. The colonists were enraged that their worst fears were realized, and taxation without representation, boarding British soldiers in colonial homes (and not paying the colonial family to do it!), and in general a path towards subjugation justified movement to declare independence from Britain. Britain responded by sending an army to the colonies, and a group largely composed of teenagers and farmers mobilized an army and won a total war against the British empire.



This is one reason Americans defend their right to self defense, the country was born from the very idea that if you are first to lay down your arms, you are at the mercy of whoever asked/forced you to do so. This idea has been solidified over time as Americans have watched countless other examples of governments disarming their citizens before subjugating or even executing them (Germany being the scariest and most well known example to most Americans, only 75 years ago in Utopian Europe of all places). It seems impossible in 2020, but it’s one of the key concepts behind the 2nd Amendment: the right to defend yourself is not granted by government, it is inherent to your very existence. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defense. More specifically, the founders saw it as extremely important that citizens have this right in order to ensure the people are always a force that controls the government and not the other way around. The Supreme Court has consistently researched the historical context of the phrase “well regulated” and concluded that it does indeed mean “armed”. It’s also a key component to the American Civil War 70 years later. This ideology of Constitutional rights being granted by God made it abundantly clear that slavery was inherently incompatible with the Constitution, and when the South (understandably scared of the economic repercussions of abolishment, but morally out to lunch) resisted and then seceded from the US, they weren’t asked to free their slaves. The North marched down there and shot them. Progressive agendas like to discuss slavery and genocide in response to American history, and they are not wrong. However they don’t acknowledge that the United States forcefully abolished these practices (which the rest of the world was founded on too...) faster than just about anywhere on Earth. It took less than 1 generation for Americans (Dutch, Irish, English, you name it) who thought slavery was normal to not only question it, but fight to the death to remove it from our society.

Dustin.The American Revolution is largely acknowledged as beginning at Lexington when British soldiers were sent to take guns from the people that lived there. The colonists realized this was the last step before they’d be completely defenseless and have to succumb to the very tyranny they left Europe to escape. A group of armed civilians organized and refused to let the soldiers into town, and (history will never know who) someone shot a gun starting a small skirmish. The colonists were enraged that their worst fears were realized, and taxation without representation, boarding British soldiers in colonial homes (and not paying the colonial family to do it!), and in general a path towards subjugation justified movement to declare independence from Britain. Britain responded by sending an army to the colonies, and a group largely composed of teenagers and farmers mobilized an army and won a total war against the British empire.



This is one reason Americans defend their right to self defense, the country was born from the very idea that if you are first to lay down your arms, you are at the mercy of whoever asked/forced you to do so. This idea has been solidified over time as Americans have watched countless other examples of governments disarming their citizens before subjugating or even executing them (Germany being the scariest and most well known example to most Americans, only 75 years ago in Utopian Europe of all places). It seems impossible in 2020, but it’s one of the key concepts behind the 2nd Amendment: the right to defend yourself is not granted by government, it is inherent to your very existence. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defense. More specifically, the founders saw it as extremely important that citizens have this right in order to ensure the people are always a force that controls the government and not the other way around. The Supreme Court has consistently researched the historical context of the phrase “well regulated” and concluded that it does indeed mean “armed”. It’s also a key component to the American Civil War 70 years later. This ideology of Constitutional rights being granted by God made it abundantly clear that slavery was inherently incompatible with the Constitution, and when the South (understandably scared of the economic repercussions of abolishment, but morally out to lunch) resisted and then seceded from the US, they weren’t asked to free their slaves. The North marched down there and shot them. Progressive agendas like to discuss slavery and genocide in response to American history, and they are not wrong. However they don’t acknowledge that the United States forcefully abolished these practices (which the rest of the world was founded on too...) faster than just about anywhere on Earth. It took less than 1 generation for Americans (Dutch, Irish, English, you name it) who thought slavery was normal to not only question it, but fight to the death to remove it from our society.

Wow, thanks for this. I never knew any of that. Explains a lot to me, a non-American.

The more you know.

freestyler540So doing nothing will make things better? We tried that, it did not work. Europe, UK and New Zealand managed to successfully implant the piece of legislature.

They come from the US illegally. Now RCMP and city police forces can now have more funding to tackle the problem. Soon, a possession will carry a felony charge. Now police have tools to track smugglers and criminal organisation.
Once these weapons become rare, the costs of them will be too much for most and interest in them will be reduced. Will it stop "bad guys"? No, they will still act like animals, but the weapon involved in the next crimes will be blades or less lethal firearms. Bystanders casualties will be reduced, saving families from tragedy.

Ammunition price will jump on the black market. Bullets will be too expensive to use too. So, they cant practice as much and will have to be more careful on not wasting the rounds.

Use economics against crime, not blunt force.

I never said we should do nothing. We could always have better background checks or checks for mental health disorders. Taking away guns would also mean no more defensive gun use. Guns save thousands of lives every year, it's a shame that they have to get into the hands of mentally unstable people. If someone charges you with a knife or a bassball bat and you have a gun you can easily put a stop to that. A mall not too far away from where I live had a stabbing a couple years ago that was stopped by an off duty police officer with a gun. Guns save a lot of lives and we are better off trying to stop the mentally unstable people from getting them then banning them outright.

A gun is like an egg beater drill. You hope you never have to use it but if there is a need I would much rather have it and know how to use it than not.

That being said guns are designed to make things with very few holes in them have more holes in them. Its not something that should be taken lightly in ownership or when trying to ban them. There should be rigorous training and checking involved with owning a firearm. It should be more difficult than getting a drivers license, and drivers licenses should be harder to get in the first place.

I hunt with my firearms, but in the low but increasing probability that the U.S. falls apart in the next 10 years I'd much rather own firearms than not.

It really grinds my gear when I see the thousands off people walking around my state capital brandishing their firearms at people trying to go to work. Those are the people that should not own firearms to the degree that they do. Its not something to flaunt or to be used to intimidate others. Unfortunately people like that are part of the reason why I own firearms. Its flawed logic but I still believe that the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, but that line seems to be blurred more and more so IDK

“Take the guns first, due process second” -Donald Trump MAGA

JAHBRADORAmerica: we are the greatest country on earth!

Also America: Our gun rights are based around a 250 year old law written with a feather when guns took 2 full minutes to reload a single shot.

The majority of people in the US believe in a fairy tale written 2000 years ago by people in mud huts who, at the time, had no idea how anything in the world worked. You’re asking way to much for them to apply things differently for the modern world.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/964979/Gun-Control-Insanity---Hitler-Took-the-Guns--Stalin-Took-the-Guns--Mao-Took-the-Guns--

ScaryDumpTruckI never said we should do nothing. We could always have better background checks or checks for mental health disorders. Taking away guns would also mean no more defensive gun use. Guns save thousands of lives every year, it's a shame that they have to get into the hands of mentally unstable people. If someone charges you with a knife or a bassball bat and you have a gun you can easily put a stop to that. A mall not too far away from where I live had a stabbing a couple years ago that was stopped by an off duty police officer with a gun. Guns save a lot of lives and we are better off trying to stop the mentally unstable people from getting them then banning them outright.

Dude, that rhetoric dates from the 1980s. Read OP. The conclusion says the report does not apply to the US, but applicable to Australia. It will be difficult to implament in Canada, but it is possible.
In 2018, handguns killed 143 people, rifles killed 56 and modified weapons counted 18 and automatic weapons killed 2 in Canada.
In 2017, gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides in the US.

Yeah, they do save peoples lives...

freestyler540Dude, that rhetoric dates from the 1980s. Read OP. The conclusion says the report does not apply to the US, but applicable to Australia. It will be difficult to implament in Canada, but it is possible.
In 2018, handguns killed 143 people, rifles killed 56 and modified weapons counted 18 and automatic weapons killed 2 in Canada.
In 2017, gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides in the US.

Yeah, they do save peoples lives...

What's interesting about those numbers is that the homicides portion has been relatively stable while the suicides portion has gone up in recent years. But your legislators are campaigning to ban "automatic weapons" and "make background checks mandatory", two policies that already absolutely exists and are frequently lied about on the news, while literally nothing changes in the response to the alarming statistics regarding mental health, suicide, and the near 100% correlation of people mass murdering killing themselves when they are done (and ironically that number gets placed into the "gun violence" pile as well).

It would be like if I took the very real number of about 40,000 people a year who die in car crashes in the US vs. about 1500 in Germany (still a way lower rate when population is considered) and said that we need to ban cars instead of focus on the very obvious problem that people in the US are horrible at driving considering the kind of resources we have to train and enforce safe travel on government funded roads. Data and truth are important, without them the citizen loses all faith in the legislator.

Another interesting thing about these numbers is that the CDC quietly published a study that stated that the lowest estimates of firearms saving lives was in the realm of 250,000 per year. The high end was waaaaay more than that. You never heard about it, because it doesn't fit the mold. The data does not support the conclusion that what was one determined a fundamental human right has recently been deemed a political necessity and easy media cash cow.

Dustin.Another interesting thing about these numbers is that the CDC quietly published a study that stated that the lowest estimates of firearms saving lives was in the realm of 250,000 per year. The high end was waaaaay more than that. You never heard about it, because it doesn't fit the mold. The data does not support the conclusion that what was one determined a fundamental human right has recently been deemed a political necessity and easy media cash cow.

Ahhh, you almost stuck the landing.
But since CDC is a public organisation they must publish all findings and make them available by law. Withholding information crucial to lawmakers is a crime, its called fraud.
But here is another angle on your argument; its against the law in the US for the CDC to investigate and publish reports concerning firearms. Journalists tend to be the ones that are legally allowed to compile State publications such as causes of deaths. Its called the Dickey Admendment.

So no, there were no "special" numbers. Just lies.

LonelyA gun is like an egg beater drill. You hope you never have to use it but if there is a need I would much rather have it and know how to use it than not.

That being said guns are designed to make things with very few holes in them have more holes in them. Its not something that should be taken lightly in ownership or when trying to ban them. There should be rigorous training and checking involved with owning a firearm. It should be more difficult than getting a drivers license, and drivers licenses should be harder to get in the first place.

I hunt with my firearms, but in the low but increasing probability that the U.S. falls apart in the next 10 years I'd much rather own firearms than not.

It really grinds my gear when I see the thousands off people walking around my state capital brandishing their firearms at people trying to go to work. Those are the people that should not own firearms to the degree that they do. Its not something to flaunt or to be used to intimidate others. Unfortunately people like that are part of the reason why I own firearms. Its flawed logic but I still believe that the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, but that line seems to be blurred more and more so IDK

I agree. Guns are fun to use for hunting/shooting at the range and such. I really want to get my gun licence (Canada) and do some hunting in the next couple of years. It can take up to a year in some cases to get a restricted licence in BC - 2 day gun safety and etiquette class and then paperwork, background check and extensive reference checks (minimum 90 days).

It should be the same as driving a car.

Unfortunately I see that cyclical argument quite a lot, ‘need guns because guns’. And I kinda understand but also I think a solution would be to take the fear out of guns by changing the stigma of ‘killing machines’ to a ‘tool’. People die everyday from bad driving and people aren’t scared of cars because everyone has been trained to drive one. If everyone was driving around without any consistent nationwide driving laws/rules/training, it would be very scary indeed and lots of people would die unnecessarily.

I'd bet money that if 4chan were to disappear, there would be a greater reduction on gun violence than banning guns.

I'm a big supporter of requiring licenses with a waiting period. Massachusetts has the lowest gun violence by far and I believe it's partly due to the licensing system where you have to take a course and deal with a waiting period. Background checks don't seem very effective, and I feel like a waiting period gives someone time to calm down. Seems a lot of gun fatalities are due to short term rage rather than a long term plan.

England has superstrict gunlaws, and tons of murders, also with firearms...



Here they are banning certain models becuase of our idiot some years ago. EU is constantly on warpath to ban stuff as well


Where I live 1 in 3 houses has guns, we use them for hunting and sport, not selfe defense, this is in europe, we had 1 masshooting, and everybody hates the guy.



It's a complex problem, I dont think the canadian way is good at all.


Here there is a short waiting period and background check for basic firearms like bolt rifles, some semi autos with lowcap mags, and shotguns, handguns are minimum 6 months + stricter requirments, and to get AR15, AK47's and such and similar your pretty much at 3 years and pretty hefty requirments. It does seem to sort out a lot of the idiots.



We have competitons with rifles and skiiing, but also with handguns and skiiing!

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Semantics:

In particular, a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

finderI'd bet money that if 4chan were to disappear, there would be a greater reduction on gun violence than banning guns.

I'm a big supporter of requiring licenses with a waiting period. Massachusetts has the lowest gun violence by far and I believe it's partly due to the licensing system where you have to take a course and deal with a waiting period. Background checks don't seem very effective, and I feel like a waiting period gives someone time to calm down. Seems a lot of gun fatalities are due to short term rage rather than a long term plan.

Unfortunately, 95% of them are also not obtained legally.

Dustin.Unfortunately, 95% of them are also not obtained legally.

Where does that number come from?

anders_aAR15, AK47's and such and similar your pretty much at 3 years and pretty hefty requirments. It does seem to sort out a lot of the idiots.



We have competitons with rifles and skiiing, but also with handguns and skiiing!

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Damn bro in some Murican states you can just walk in and buy an AR or AK, just need a background check which takes about 10 mins.

And that kinda shooting competition sounds like fun. I've always wanted to combine skiing and shooting, sort of like biathlon but in much more of an EDollo cruisin the park with a lit blunt, ringing steel targets at 100 yards with a Glock 34 while yelling ARF ARF BRAP BRAP

Chile and a lot of countries in the south pacific have similar gun regulations to those of the U.S. But they have a lot of ammo restrictions, which I think is a good Idea

TheHamburglarDamn bro in some Murican states you can just walk in and buy an AR or AK, just need a background check which takes about 10 mins.

And that kinda shooting competition sounds like fun. I've always wanted to combine skiing and shooting, sort of like biathlon but in much more of an EDollo cruisin the park with a lit blunt, ringing steel targets at 100 yards with a Glock 34 while yelling ARF ARF BRAP BRAP

There are tons of studies on it, but basically every year it shows a similar pattern. If you Google a bit you'll find a bunch of credible one. The vast majority of guns used in crimes are not purchased from a gun show or dealer while undergoing a background check. Most of them are stolen, black market, or bought illegally from somewhere like that. That's honestly where most of the frustration with gun laws comes from, the staunch belief that they won't change anything...unless you already follow the law.

Bened_notnilChile and a lot of countries in the south pacific have similar gun regulations to those of the U.S. But they have a lot of ammo restrictions, which I think is a good Idea

why? I've done 5000 rounds per week before a large championship, having limitations would suck balls for sporting purposes.

I cannot think of a single country in the EU, where ammo isnt supereasy and widely available, not to mention the US.... Here we can buy ammo in most major sportinggoods stores, heck even supresssors.

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Bened_notnilChile and a lot of countries in the south pacific have similar gun regulations to those of the U.S. But they have a lot of ammo restrictions, which I think is a good Idea

I'm just guessing here, but logic tells me that most of the kind of people who would use firearms to commit crimes have WAY less ammo than legal sport shooters. We buy in bulk because we plan to use it all, practice for competition, hunt, etc. In the context of buying 100 rounds or so (keep in mind, this is a small amount to most shooters), even if it was expensive, it wouldn't be expensive to someone ready to go commit suicide after shooting their family. Furthermore, making ammo from scratch is just not that difficult. If it became too expensive, I'd just make it at home and save a ton of money while learning a new hobby.

Again, I'm speculating here, but the idea of making ammo expensive sounds dumb to me for many reasons.

Dustin.I'm just guessing here, but logic tells me that most of the kind of people who would use firearms to commit crimes have WAY less ammo than legal sport shooters.

Again, I'm speculating here, but the idea of making ammo expensive sounds dumb to me for many reasons.

Facts seem quite different.
-Las Vegas Shooting: Dude had 720 Tracer rounds and hundred of pound of ammunition was recovered.
-Orlando nightclub shooting: In less than five minutes, Mateen had fired approximately 200 rounds
-Virginia Tech shooting: 400 rounds of ammunition was used.
-Sandy Hook: Two 12-gauge shotgun magazines,10 30-round .223 magazines,6 30-round 9mm magazines, 6 30-round 10mm magazines

Do you need more examples?
These guys are armed to the fucking teeth to take children and civilians.

For some a thousand rounds is a lot of ammo, for other its just a few hours of practice


As for shooting in congested areas, I live in the red noise zone for a shooting range, neighbours are always trying to get it closed down...but.. its been here for 100+ years!!! the houses are all built after the shooting range, some of the roads here are named "shootingrange road" and some of the people moved there used the argument they were not informed the range was so close by....

Remember the neighbours complaining about the shooting range, are also the ones complaining about the alpine resorts and that it ruins nature.



Here the criminals just buys AK's coming out of eastern europe, its cheapand available, and there are probably billions of rounds unacounted for from the same place...

freestyler540Facts seem quite different.
-Las Vegas Shooting: Dude had 720 Tracer rounds and hundred of pound of ammunition was recovered.
-Orlando nightclub shooting: In less than five minutes, Mateen had fired approximately 200 rounds
-Virginia Tech shooting: 400 rounds of ammunition was used.
-Sandy Hook: Two 12-gauge shotgun magazines,10 30-round .223 magazines,6 30-round 9mm magazines, 6 30-round 10mm magazines

Do you need more examples?
These guys are armed to the fucking teeth to take children and civilians.

My point remains the same, that's not a lot of ammo in the context of sport shooting. Nor do I think any of those people would have cared about the price. Those people didn't care about anything.

You're letting emotion cloud the facts, which I agree is incredibly hard to do (especially with Sandy Hook, that's the most horrific thing I've ever heard of).

anders_aFor some a thousand rounds is a lot of ammo, for other its just a few hours of practice


As for shooting in congested areas, I live in the red noise zone for a shooting range, neighbours are always trying to get it closed down...but.. its been here for 100+ years!!! the houses are all built after the shooting range, some of the roads here are named "shootingrange road" and some of the people moved there used the argument they were not informed the range was so close by....

Remember the neighbours complaining about the shooting range, are also the ones complaining about the alpine resorts and that it ruins nature.



Here the criminals just buys AK's coming out of eastern europe, its cheapand available, and there are probably billions of rounds unacounted for from the same place...

People here complain and petition about jet noise even though Luke Air Force Base has been flying planes here since Phoenix was 10 miles of desert away. New neighborhoods are built on WWII practice runways and the people think it's their park that is brand new. You have to sign a disclosure when you buy the house too, so it's impossible not to know there are airplanes here.

Dustin.My point remains the same, that's not a lot of ammo in the context of sport shooting. Nor do I think any of those people would have cared about the price. Those people didn't care about anything.

You're letting emotion cloud the facts, which I agree is incredibly hard to do (especially with Sandy Hook, that's the most horrific thing I've ever heard of).

I think it would. 10mm rounds are 0.40$. Make them 3$ a round and and 1000 rounds is now 3000$, way pricier now to commit mass murder. When I go shooting, we go through 100 rounds between 3 of us. How do you burn through 1000 in a few hours? Are you packing automatic guns?
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/10mm


Try this new angle: What if I hate the NRA? What if I hate their influence and campaign to misinform people and how their greed affect millions around the world? What if I'm Canadian?
Ill leave this to show my point. Its "The Patriot act with Hassan Minhaj".
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/965081/The-NRA---s-Global-Impact---Patriot-Act-with-Hasan-Minhaj---Netflix

freestyler540I think it would. 10mm rounds are 0.40$. Make them 3$ a round and and 1000 rounds is now 3000$, way pricier now to commit mass murder. When I go shooting, we go through 100 rounds between 3 of us. How do you burn through 1000 in a few hours? Are you packing automatic guns?
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/10mm


Try this new angle: What if I hate the NRA? What if I hate their influence and campaign to misinform people and how their greed affect millions around the world? What if I'm Canadian?
Ill leave this to show my point. Its "The Patriot act with Hassan Minhaj".
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/965081/The-NRA---s-Global-Impact---Patriot-Act-with-Hasan-Minhaj---Netflix

I didn't say I burn through 1,000 rounds in a day, but I probably do shoot a few hundred when we go out each time. If the rounds were $3 each, I'd just make them. Didn't watch the video btw, can't right now unfortunately.

@freestyler540

10mm is fun, most factory loads are meeh for it though, but get a ton of slow powder in there and it will liven up.

I've shot hundreds of thousands of rounds and getting closer to 7 digits, usually we shoot semi auto, as fullauto/select fire isn't very good for the shooting we do.



As for NRA, not my country, but a lot of organizations seems to go wonky and way of the original idea after a while.

Looking to sweden, england, france etc we see that 99.99%? of shooting is with illegal firearms from eastern europe here.

Sweden is weird, the last 2 times I've stayed in major cities there I've heard gunshots, a lot of new gang crimes, and its only going up.

Not sure if this is gun related or not but the its murder per capita rate makes the US look like a third world country. Are guns making these stats better or worse?

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5