Gun Control

little1337I say ban em. it's unfortunate that a few bad people have ruined rifles for the vast majority of gun users, but when this many people are dying from gun violence every year, it goes beyond recreation and becomes a public health problem. I totally understand the draw to guns and the whole 2nd amendment argument, but it's gone too far. No action on it is an action to let it keep happening.

**This post was edited on May 22nd 2020 at 8:16:43am

JAHBRADORJust saw that there was a mass shooting in Arizona. Seems like the media doesn’t report on these events like they used to.

iFlipWhich other part of the Constitution would you like to tear up while you're at it? Perhaps Free Speech?

JAHpowYes, let's ignore the fact that the dude was mad against society because he was bullied. Can we start by maybe trying to find a solution to what's wrong with how we treat others and psychological issues before we start removing freedoms?

Or should we continue ignoring that?

SnowshoeThompsonThat’s like saying we should make cocaine illegal so nobody uses it...oh wait.

Public shootings are horrible. More government regulation is rarely ever the answer though. Go after the people breaking the law and are actually bringing the guns in to the picture ie. Illegal street dealers or cartels.

People that are fucked up enough to start shooting at unarmed civilians with a registered fire arm would more than likely go through a third party dealer if there was such a ban. Makes no sense to completely outlaw something that most law abiding citizens can manage properly. You’re wiping out an entire industry in doing so as well.

JAHBRADORAmerica: we are the greatest country on earth!

Also America: Our gun rights are based around a 250 year old law written with a feather when guns took 2 full minutes to reload a single shot.

Charlie_KellyThere were machine guns back then.

I also think you missed the point of the second amendment, it’s not so people can have guns, it’s so people can defend themselves against a tyrannous government. Pretty easy to subdue a populace when they can’t fight back.

Charlie_KellyThere were machine guns back then.

I also think you missed the point of the second amendment, it’s not so people can have guns, it’s so people can defend themselves against a tyrannous government. Pretty easy to subdue a populace when they can’t fight back.

r00kieAlso protection from other people and foreign armies. Rarely hear anyone mention how much having armed citizens contributes to homeland security. Can you imagine if a foreign army showed up on our shores? They would not get far.

JAHBRADORAmerica: we are the greatest country on earth!

Also America: Our gun rights are based around a 250 year old law written with a feather when guns took 2 full minutes to reload a single shot.

r00kieAlso protection from other people and foreign armies. Rarely hear anyone mention how much having armed citizens contributes to homeland security. Can you imagine if a foreign army showed up on our shores? They would not get far.

JAHBRADORBut my point is, anyone that should be allowed to own a gun, can still own a gun. The screening/training process may take a few months but everyone that wants to own a gun can have one.

Do you think people that have severe mental illnesses that may harm themselves or others should be the owner of a gun?

I agree that the societal issues surrounding treatment of others is the problem but I think it’s idealistic to think that anything will drastically change on that front. There will always be bullying and people that are abused.

gluckgluck9000Dude that shit is old.


u honestly think an army is gonna roll up like it’s d day?

we use nukes now

lets see how ur little guns will stand up to a nuke

Charlie_KellyThere were machine guns back then.

I also think you missed the point of the second amendment, it’s not so people can have guns, it’s so people can defend themselves against a tyrannous government. Pretty easy to subdue a populace when they can’t fight back.

gluckgluck9000Dude that shit is old.


u honestly think an army is gonna roll up like it’s d day?

we use nukes now

lets see how ur little guns will stand up to a nuke

Dustin.We don't "Use nukes now". Dude you are so far off it's astounding. There are hundreds of geopolitical facets that account for the nearly impenetrable US physical security, and nukes is not one of them....because you can't defend your own country if you nuke it....for one.

Dustin.You are describing how background checks work dude, just go buy a gun and you'll see how these measures already exist. That's question 5 on a 4473 (federal background check, which although the media will lie and say has loopholes: doesn't. You cannot buy a gun without one even at a gun show). There are a shit load of credible studies out there diving into these issues and the problem that arises over and over is that only like 5% of guns used in crimes were legally obtained.

JAHBRADORThink it’s niave to think that this is what it means in the 21st century.

The people are are not going to rise up and go to DC and murder everyone in the government if the government turns tyrannical.

I thought checks and balances were the way the government was kept in line not the threat of a gun toting civilians.

Its pretty clear that that the only reason that gun laws are so relaxed is because the government makes a buttload of money from it and are lobbied by organisations such as the NRA.

JAHBRADORBut my point is, anyone that should be allowed to own a gun, can still own a gun. The screening/training process may take a few months but everyone that wants to own a gun can have one.

JAHBRADORBut my point is, anyone that should be allowed to own a gun, can still own a gun. The screening/training process may take a few months but everyone that wants to own a gun can have one.

Do you think people that have severe mental illnesses that may harm themselves or others should be the owner of a gun?

I agree that the societal issues surrounding treatment of others is the problem but I think it’s idealistic to think that anything will drastically change on that front. There will always be bullying and people that are abused.

JAHBRADORThink it’s niave to think that this is what it means in the 21st century.

The people are are not going to rise up and go to DC and murder everyone in the government if the government turns tyrannical.

I thought checks and balances were the way the government was kept in line not the threat of a gun toting civilians.

Its pretty clear that that the only reason that gun laws are so relaxed is because the government makes a buttload of money from it and are lobbied by organisations such as the NRA.

freestyler540Im really happy that Canada banned assault rifles; we join Europe and New Zealand. This should have been done in 1989 after the Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal got attacked.

r00kieAlso protection from other people and foreign armies. Rarely hear anyone mention how much having armed citizens contributes to homeland security. Can you imagine if a foreign army showed up on our shores? They would not get far.

JAHBRADORHaha you really think this is going to happen? Masses of untrained civilians fighting off an organized foreign army. You don’t have to be a genius to figure what that means for all the unarmed civilians. What is the reason you guys Have the largest military budget in the world ($730bn) ? China is in 2nd place with $230bn, Iran $17bn, I don’t see the threat.

JAHBRADORDon’t think a background check covers mental state. Dylan Roof looked clean as a whistle on paper.

references from friends and family should be mandatory.

JAHBRADORHaha you really think this is going to happen? Masses of untrained civilians fighting off an organized foreign army. You don’t have to be a genius to figure what that means for all the unarmed civilians. What is the reason you guys Have the largest military budget in the world ($730bn) ? China is in 2nd place with $230bn, Iran $17bn, I don’t see the threat.

Dustin.It explicitly asks and then verifies whether you have been adjudicated for a mental defect or committed to a mental institution via the FBI database. The problem with this is that people fervently fight for the rights of the patient to the point where their own family often has no legal ability to have them committed.

JAHBRADORHaha you really think this is going to happen? Masses of untrained civilians fighting off an organized foreign army. You don’t have to be a genius to figure what that means for all the unarmed civilians. What is the reason you guys Have the largest military budget in the world ($730bn) ? China is in 2nd place with $230bn, Iran $17bn, I don’t see the threat.

JAHBRADORWhat is the reason you guys Have the largest military budget in the world ($730bn) ? China is in 2nd place with $230bn, Iran $17bn, I don’t see the threat.

JAHBRADORHaha you really think this is going to happen? Masses of untrained civilians fighting off an organized foreign army. You don’t have to be a genius to figure what that means for all the unarmed civilians. What is the reason you guys Have the largest military budget in the world ($730bn) ? China is in 2nd place with $230bn, Iran $17bn, I don’t see the threat.

r00kieYes, that is exactly what I think would happen. This country has 11.5 million hunters and just the state of Texas has 725,000 registered firearms.

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/new-5-year-report-shows-1016-million-americans-participated-hunting-fishing-wildlife
https://www.statista.com/statistics/215655/number-of-registered-weapons-in-the-us-by-state/

Why did the US struggle in Vietnam? Cause the citizens were also dangerous.

Dustin.The obvious example I would have used was:

"Why was Britain unable to control the American colonies even though it was the most powerful military force on planet Earth?"

ScaryDumpTruckBecause once you ban assault rifles you cant buy them illegally anymore...o wait

JAHpowI'm not going to get into a debate on here. I've done this countless times before. Nobody changes their mind.

With that being said, I 100% think people should be trained to use a firearm. I think a hunter safety course is the best way to do that. It teaches both how to safely handle a firearm and the ethics behind hunting (which can be attributed the practice of ethics in general). I don't see how making "screening" take months long would make much of any difference. Wait laws are already in place in throughout the country.

Your point about mental health- no, I think if I absolutely had to pick a side I would be against a severely mental ill person having a firearm. But nobody approaches that issue in legislation in the first place. Much less, and to address your final point, actually trying to fix this mental health crisis we're in. It doesn't make any decision makers money to try to combat mental health. Which is so utterly sad. My main point is that I want to fix the source of the problem- mental health. Not remove or restrict the freedoms of those who are law-abiding.

That's all I'm saying in this thread. Goodbye.

gluckgluck9000Fuck u redneck hick Trump supporters

gluckgluck9000Fuck u redneck hick Trump supporters

JAHBRADORI think the point of debate has been misconstrued as it is not so much about some people being ‘right or wrong’ or ‘winning or losing’. I think it’s a good way to see other people’s point of view. Yes, I may believe what I believe but at the same time I find it interesting to hear why other people feel the way that they do, even if I don’t agree with them.

I also think it’s good way to fact check as I said ‘ most mass shootings use legal firearms.’ And ( can’t remeber who said it, sorry ) somebody corrected me by saying that it is a very small number. When I looked into it further, it’s actually true and I was wrong. There is so much information out there nowadays unfortunately, no matter how diligent you are, shitty facts can plant themselves in your brain unconsciously.

My point is, debate is a good practice and I think in our current culture of ‘you are either for or against’ is detrimental to the advancement of society as a whole. Someone that has an opposing view is seen as ‘beef’ instead of being a way to have an interesting chat about something that interests both parties.

It is important to know the opposing view as much as it is your own.

r00kieI know plenty of gun owners who are not Trump fans, myself included. Stop pushing that generalized partisan bullshit.

Dustin.Oh hateful comment without provocation, you must be on the side trying to quell violence.