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im gonna catch some hate for this but fuck it ...
Were flying fighter jets over hospitals here in pa to show our “appreciation” for healthcare workers etc... Fuck that shit. This costs a massive amount of money , fuel, and pollutes. If we really appreciated them we could do so much more! Just stay home and don’t waste and pollute, or hell donate that fuel money and donate your time instead of performing a flyover.
This just in , governments handing out more friggin money holy shit
DominatorJacquesPlease chime in. What say you. I say this stunt was a huge waste of our planets resources!
im gonna catch some hate for this but fuck it ...
Were flying fighter jets over hospitals here in pa to show our “appreciation” for healthcare workers etc... Fuck that shit. This costs a massive amount of money , fuel, and pollutes. If we really appreciated them we could do so much more! Just stay home and don’t waste and pollute, or hell donate that fuel money and donate your time instead of performing a flyover.
This just in , governments handing out more friggin money holy shit
I hear that. I was at a customers home near the hospital. The jets did the fly over. I said "what a waste of our tax money", then she said she had been a nurse. Awkward!
**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 12:16:50am
im gonna catch some hate for this but fuck it ...
Were flying fighter jets over hospitals here in pa to show our “appreciation” for healthcare workers etc... Fuck that shit. This costs a massive amount of money , fuel, and pollutes. If we really appreciated them we could do so much more! Just stay home and don’t waste and pollute, or hell donate that fuel money and donate your time instead of performing a flyover.
This just in , governments handing out more friggin money holy shit
Yep agree with this. Also dangerous.
And yeah I got direct deposit and still got a letter. Almost like campaign mail..
im gonna catch some hate for this but fuck it ...
Were flying fighter jets over hospitals here in pa to show our “appreciation” for healthcare workers etc... Fuck that shit. This costs a massive amount of money , fuel, and pollutes. If we really appreciated them we could do so much more! Just stay home and don’t waste and pollute, or hell donate that fuel money and donate your time instead of performing a flyover.
This just in , governments handing out more friggin money holy shit
It's no more dangerous than any other flight. And those flights are going to happen either way, Congress sets the budget and allows essentially zero latitude with how the money is spent once the flying hour program is bought. You either fly the hours or the money gets thrown in a pot for other random DOD things that are lined up in case there is extra at the end of the fiscal year.
Bottom line, taking a lap around the city and flying the mission after that doesn't cost any more than a regular flight, and we have to fly the lines.
DominatorJacquesI hear that. I was at a customers home near the hospital. The jets did the fly over. I said "what a waste of our tax money", then she said she had been a nurse. Awkward!
**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 12:16:50am
I say dont feel awkward about voicing that opinion. Most health care workers wants safe working conditions and access to professional help when needed. Not a single one thought having people hit pans from their windows, or military fly-by made their jobs any better or safer. They arent looking for praise, they just want to do their jobs safely.
So what to tell a health care worker? Thank them for their work and ask what can society can help them. If volunteering is mentioned, it should not be declined.
im gonna catch some hate for this but fuck it ...
Were flying fighter jets over hospitals here in pa to show our “appreciation” for healthcare workers etc... Fuck that shit. This costs a massive amount of money , fuel, and pollutes. If we really appreciated them we could do so much more! Just stay home and don’t waste and pollute, or hell donate that fuel money and donate your time instead of performing a flyover.
This just in , governments handing out more friggin money holy shit
Dustin.It's no more dangerous than any other flight. And those flights are going to happen either way, Congress sets the budget and allows essentially zero latitude with how the money is spent once the flying hour program is bought. You either fly the hours or the money gets thrown in a pot for other random DOD things that are lined up in case there is extra at the end of the fiscal year.
Bottom line, taking a lap around the city and flying the mission after that doesn't cost any more than a regular flight, and we have to fly the lines.
Yea, they gotta' spend the money. Sad. At least they did not have a malfunction and crash one into a town or city.
Good point. All those sporting event fly overs. Guess they have not done any of those in a while!
I always thought that was a waste too, but I guess they want all those crowded stadiums of people to feel safe! ;-)
DominatorJacquesYea, they gotta' spend the money. Sad. At least they did not have a malfunction and crash one into a town or city.
I mean I think that's a great thing to be thankful for literally every time an airplane takes off.....they fly over cities and towns all around the world constantly. Frankly, it's a ridiculous point to make.
Dustin.I mean I think that's a great thing to be thankful for literally every time an airplane takes off.....they fly over cities and towns all around the world constantly. Frankly, it's a ridiculous point to make.
Well, no. Military jets crash all the time. One just crashed the other day.
I'm well aware, I know a lot of the pilots and what actually happened too, but just because you don't know that we fly around cities every single day doesn't suddenly make it more dangerous when you decide it is. Most of these mishaps happen during tactical training, not while flying around enroute.
Dustin.I'm well aware, I know a lot of the pilots and what actually happened too, but just because you don't know that we fly around cities every single day doesn't suddenly make it more dangerous when you decide it is. Most of these mishaps happen during tactical training, not while flying around enroute.
Look, I said lucky they did not have a crash. The point was it was a waste of our money.
Anyway, you went to the subject, so I fired back. I did not decide anything.
Sorry you took offense. Fly on. Hope you can stay on the most list!
im gonna catch some hate for this but fuck it ...
Were flying fighter jets over hospitals here in pa to show our “appreciation” for healthcare workers etc... Fuck that shit. This costs a massive amount of money , fuel, and pollutes. If we really appreciated them we could do so much more! Just stay home and don’t waste and pollute, or hell donate that fuel money and donate your time instead of performing a flyover.
This just in , governments handing out more friggin money holy shit
THIS
meanwhile in NY the governor reported back on Friday that the state's $61m in the hole on top of receiving less than what we put into the federal pot
Waste sucks, but using more paper and forest products is usually much better for the environment than it is harmful. I'm more concerned about the money the government is wasting than the paper. Use more paper
LonelyWaste sucks, but using more paper and forest products is usually much better for the environment than it is harmful. I'm more concerned about the money the government is wasting than the paper. Use more paper
I'm not against forest management, but wasting on that letter was bull crap.
Trees are a renewable resources and will likely play a big part in the fight against climate change. Of all the negative aspects of forest management paper and pulp tends not to be a problem. No one is cutting down old growth for pulp.
I'm much more worried about the money being wasted than the environmental effects
LonelyTrees are a renewable resources and will likely play a big part in the fight against climate change. Of all the negative aspects of forest management paper and pulp tends not to be a problem. No one is cutting down old growth for pulp.
I'm much more worried about the money being wasted than the environmental effects
I hope you watched the video.
My only concern with paper production is the pollution it may produce. I have not looked into that for a long time. Maybe they are doing better these days.
It's not just the paper he wasted, but the ink and electricity etc.
DominatorJacquesI hope you watched the video.
My only concern with paper production is the pollution it may produce. I have not looked into that for a long time. Maybe they are doing better these days.
It's not just the paper he wasted, but the ink and electricity etc.
Every time I go to the local grocer(Giant Eagle) , they print me out a 3ft receipt, no option for an emailed receipt and it pisses me off, they’re supposedly green 🙄 lie
i also always see one of the lords special cart pushers not wash his hands in the bathroom every time I’m there and then rearrange the pre packaged lunch meats, it’s just wonderful seeing talented tommy giggle holding his pecker and then stacking pepperoni and cheese two minutes later
SavageBiffEvery time I go to the local grocer(Giant Eagle) , they print me out a 3ft receipt, no option for an emailed receipt and it pisses me off, they’re supposedly green 🙄 lie
i also always see one of the lords special cart pushers not wash his hands in the bathroom every time I’m there and then rearrange the pre packaged lunch meats, it’s just wonderful seeing talented tommy giggle holding his pecker and then stacking pepperoni and cheese two minutes later
Ha ha! It's not that I am against paper, just some times junk mail etc. seem to be a waste. It'a amazing how much ink and paper a company will use to get customers!
I actually don't do online unless I have to. I still like a good old fashion paper trail. I still have every piece of paper for every house payment I ever made, property purchased etc.
No I don’t piss every time but my company provides a service to every giant eagle and get go so I’m at as many as 8 locations a day so....
I went a lil off topic 🤷🏼♂️ Big whoop
Whether receipts are as bad as something else idk, point is, there’s no option for digital, and just cause one thing is less evil than another doesn’t make it good
I feel the same. There’s waste and not waste. Don’t get me started on junk mail holy shit , waste aside, I feel like someone’s just mailing me their trash to throw away
DominatorJacquesHa ha! It's not that I am against paper, just some times junk mail etc. seem to be a waste. It'a amazing how much ink and paper a company will use to get customers!
I actually don't do online unless I have to. I still like a good old fashion paper trail. I still have every piece of paper for every house payment I ever made, property purchased etc.
LonelyCut down the trees....Sustainably....and use more forest products
You dont live in a clear cut region. Forestry industry is way, way worse than mining. I used to have that mindset when I was living in downtown Quebec City; "forests didnt concern me at all". As long as the city walking park has trees, I thought everything was A-OK.
Then I moved to Nelson, BC. I see the havoc being done to the Old growth forests in West kootenays. The trees are the most valuable in the world, but 500 hectors of bio diverse lands are wiped off the earth in BC, EVERYDAY! There is a huge increase in landslides due to the irresponsible clear cutting on steep mountains. Should I also mention the permanent damage to the livability of the lands? Cutting down a Hemlock-Douglas Fur-Cedar forest injects cyanide and other heavy metals picked up by the tree into the ground? Yes, Cedar lasts a long time due to the toxic byproduct in their sap that kill mold and insects. The ground will remain reddish-brown to grey death look for at least 20 to 30 years.
So no, there is no "sustainable" clear cutting. Its a myth.
Reduce your usage as best as you can. Recycling is a fucking lie, its basically an international garbage disposal market with the wealthy countries leading the scam. Canada got its garbage sent back from the Philippines with a giant middle finger from their president. Yes Canada, a country that gloats about being an environmental leader...
Dustin.I'm well aware, I know a lot of the pilots and what actually happened too, but just because you don't know that we fly around cities every single day doesn't suddenly make it more dangerous when you decide it is. Most of these mishaps happen during tactical training, not while flying around enroute.
freestyler540You dont live in a clear cut region. Forestry industry is way, way worse than mining. I used to have that mindset when I was living in downtown Quebec City; "forests didnt concern me at all". As long as the city walking park has trees, I thought everything was A-OK.
Then I moved to Nelson, BC. I see the havoc being done to the Old growth forests in West kootenays. The trees are the most valuable in the world, but 500 hectors of bio diverse lands are wiped off the earth in BC, EVERYDAY! There is a huge increase in landslides due to the irresponsible clear cutting on steep mountains. Should I also mention the permanent damage to the livability of the lands? Cutting down a Hemlock-Douglas Fur-Cedar forest injects cyanide and other heavy metals picked up by the tree into the ground? Yes, Cedar lasts a long time due to the toxic byproduct in their sap that kill mold and insects. The ground will remain reddish-brown to grey death look for at least 20 to 30 years.
So no, there is no "sustainable" clear cutting. Its a myth.
Reduce your usage as best as you can. Recycling is a fucking lie, its basically an international garbage disposal market with the wealthy countries leading the scam. Canada got its garbage sent back from the Philippines with a giant middle finger from their president. Yes Canada, a country that gloats about being an environmental leader...
Cut down the trees, sustainably. what you described doesn't sound like BMP for me. Never been to that area but BC is notorious in the forestry world for poor practice. I don't think we disagree there.
There is also 100% a place for clear-cutting. Many early successional species need it and other species like jack pine which is a somewhat common pulp tree either needs a fire regime, which people don't like, or it needs to be cut with a burning or tilling afterwards to regrow. Invasive forests pests also are often a cause of clear cutting. The forest is very complicated but forestry products are renewable. The forest is a carbon sink. When you use that timber for paper, furniture, building and other things most of the carbon isn't released and any land management company that wants to continue to make money will replant. Resulting in the cutting being close to carbon neutral and sometimes even positive for carbon sequestration.
Products like concrete plastic and steel are not renewable in the sense that forest products are and always produce much more carbon than they sequester. Using timber as a building material acts like a carbon battery and even using slash for biofuel usually is carbon neutral as long is the site is replanted or only selective/shelterwood cut. The same carbon released through biofuel is reabsorbed by the forest and becomes a part of the trees.
I'm very against old-growth being removed, but in the united states old-growth cutting is the minority in most areas and is becoming the minority in others
**This post was edited on May 18th 2020 at 1:16:30pm
Yea, I'm not real big on clear cuts, but they tell me if they leave a few Douglas Fir trees, the wind just blows them down.
Where I live it's mostly Lodge Pole and Pondarosa. Those to fine to just thin out and are much healthier when that is done.
freestyler540You dont live in a clear cut region. Forestry industry is way, way worse than mining. I used to have that mindset when I was living in downtown Quebec City; "forests didnt concern me at all". As long as the city walking park has trees, I thought everything was A-OK.
Then I moved to Nelson, BC. I see the havoc being done to the Old growth forests in West kootenays. The trees are the most valuable in the world, but 500 hectors of bio diverse lands are wiped off the earth in BC, EVERYDAY! There is a huge increase in landslides due to the irresponsible clear cutting on steep mountains. Should I also mention the permanent damage to the livability of the lands? Cutting down a Hemlock-Douglas Fur-Cedar forest injects cyanide and other heavy metals picked up by the tree into the ground? Yes, Cedar lasts a long time due to the toxic byproduct in their sap that kill mold and insects. The ground will remain reddish-brown to grey death look for at least 20 to 30 years.
So no, there is no "sustainable" clear cutting. Its a myth.
Reduce your usage as best as you can. Recycling is a fucking lie, its basically an international garbage disposal market with the wealthy countries leading the scam. Canada got its garbage sent back from the Philippines with a giant middle finger from their president. Yes Canada, a country that gloats about being an environmental leader...
You make some good points. I do believe that "they" are at least not silting out rivers like they used to.
Somewhere there is a happy medium.
LonelyCut down the trees, sustainably. what you described doesn't sound like BMP for me. Never been to that area but BC is notorious in the forestry world for poor practice. I don't think we disagree there.
There is also 100% a place for clear-cutting. Many early successional species need it and other species like jack pine which is a somewhat common pulp tree either needs a fire regime, which people don't like, or it needs to be cut with a burning or tilling afterwards to regrow. Invasive forests pests also are often a cause of clear cutting. The forest is very complicated but forestry products are renewable. The forest is a carbon sink. When you use that timber for paper, furniture, building and other things most of the carbon isn't released and any land management company that wants to continue to make money will replant. Resulting in the cutting being close to carbon neutral and sometimes even positive for carbon sequestration.
Products like concrete plastic and steel are not renewable in the sense that forest products are and always produce much more carbon than they sequester. Using timber as a building material acts like a carbon battery and even using slash for biofuel usually is carbon neutral as long is the site is replanted or only selective/shelterwood cut. The same carbon released through biofuel is reabsorbed by the forest and becomes a part of the trees.
I'm very against old-growth being removed, but in the united states old-growth cutting is the minority in most areas and is becoming the minority in others
**This post was edited on May 18th 2020 at 1:16:30pm
Good points. Where I live there are plenty of wilderness designated lands. Nobody can do anything there. Some of those areas have burned completely, but that's what nature will do sometimes. Then the renewal happens. Lots of carbon is released when all that wood burns though. Still, the ash is good for the soil.
DominatorJacquesYea, I'm not real big on clear cuts, but they tell me if they leave a few Douglas Fir trees, the wind just blows them down.
Where I live it's mostly Lodge Pole and Pondarosa. Those to fine to just thin out and are much healthier when that is done.
They dont touch the White Birch. Hard lumber here is shit. But those trees die not too long after the clear cut.
There are more consequences to clear cutting just carbon footprint. Im talking permanent ecological alteration. Everything from land slides,insects, plants and wildlife... You heard of the Radium Spring Slide in 2012? Hope-Princeton Slide? The slides were caused by a clear-cut on a steep slope. Trees hold back the ground out here and steep aspects. Well those clear cut cost the life of 3 people.
You heard of the wolf cull from Salmo to Creston? Well, the clear cutting removed the hiding space for the deer/elk/caribou, so as expected, the caribou went extinct (now under breading program) and the wolf population is out of control.The forest services roads, paired with sledder, make highways for the predators.
You know about Pine Mushrooms? Well, they only grow when forest fires hit the region. They dont grow in second generation forests, even after a massive fire. They are now really rare due to the alterations to the ecology.
Near home, Cottonwood Regional Park was clear cut by a private owner. It was unprompted and unannounced, without any permits or assessments. The city of Nelson is trying to save the ecosystem, the lake and the mountain. But it looks like death.
How long does a Ceder take to grow to over 5' diameter? 20, 60 years? Well, try 1,500 years. I dont call that renewable at all.
There are times cuts are important. First that comes to mind is the fucking Pine Beatles and diseases. They destroy more trees than people. I travel to Grand Forks, BC and I saw what that pest can cause. They had to be stopped... But why did they blow up around the Okanagan? Select cutting! They took out all tree species except for the pine. Now there is nothing left!
With all that argumentation in mind, I still support select logging. I saw amazing 1950's cuts in Slocan Valley that you could not even tell it was logged. If anything, I wish that would be standard practice. But, its cheaper and safer to remove a mountain from its trees. But like oil companies that greenwash their product, forestry dont fall too far from that category.
Heres an example of a good cut (you wont see much anymore because they are getting clear cutted)
Im pleading the "reduce" on lumber consumption. Do people really need 100 old growth cedars to build that 2.8 million dollar summer home for 2 out of ceder logs? Im talking of that waste. We do have to think of the survival of hundreds of millions of North Americans, but a little goes a long way.
DominatorJacquesYea, they gotta' spend the money. Sad. At least they did not have a malfunction and crash one into a town or city.
The vast majority of fighter crashes aren't due to "malfunctions" plus the people flying these routes are highly trained with thousands of hours of flight time, but keep trying to pull stuff out of your ass to prove your point
freestyler540How long does a Ceder take to grow to over 5' diameter? 20, 60 years? Well, try 1,500 years. I dont call that renewable at all.
Where in the world did you pull that number from? A very very small amount will ever naturally grow to be that old and plenty of cedar are greater than 5' in diameter way sooner than 1500 years. You made a point about cedar being used in houses but if they never grow more than 5 inches in diameter how would they be used as sawlogs.
I get where you are coming from but you are way off base
souljaboyfan2006The vast majority of fighter crashes aren't due to "malfunctions" plus the people flying these routes are highly trained with thousands of hours of flight time, but keep trying to pull stuff out of your ass to prove your point
Hmmmm, so not malfunctions. Must be those highly trained pilots? What are the causes?
I have no point to prove. I did provide a list of crashes though and a story about the crash in Canada with a Snowbird pilot.
Seems lots of folks want to argue. I guess folks are really uptight these days. I can understand that.
Anyway, I believe that letter from Trump was a huge waste.
