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ski.loonIs Yellowstone planning on opening up this summer? I know a bunch of the other parks are but haven't heard anything about Yellowstone. Also out of curiosity, which restaurant? Is it Bubba's by any chance?
Yellowstone is already reopened, albeit partially. No ones knows yet when/if they'll be able to reopen everything for the summer though.
Just argued that going skiing is selfish on the basis of "saving lives" believing that shaming people for being stoked on skiing is the moral high ground. If dube from Indiana goes to timberline no one is going to die. Let the man be.
The way I do things is not excessive but they way you want to is. I just told you what I think you should do and I don't understand why people don't like that. Why don't people just listen to everything I say, I'm smart and you're dumb.
LOL dude. Check yourself.
**This post was edited on May 15th 2020 at 5:04:07pm
Nobody has challenged breaking the law for a sense of entitlement. The whole argument has been personal opinion vs personal choice.
We’re just tired of the, “I know what’s best for me and everyone else in my region”, entitlement.
this thread is in direct correlation with a dem - republican thread. People don’t like the way somebody thinks so they try to belittle you and relate your opinions to express negativity. If you can’t accept the choices or actions of individuals while they remain under legal jurisdiction then there is no real argument being made other than a moral comparative.
GrandThingsThis is the best claim I've seen in SG for a LONG time hahaha
That's not some claim that I'm great, its more that people are observably terrible at interpreting data.
Go on twitter right now and you'll see people posting 'covid positive test charts' as evidence that the pandemic is getting worse... Nate Silver has been complaining about new organizations doing this too.
SnowshoeThompsonNobody has challenged breaking the law for a sense of entitlement. The whole argument has been personal opinion vs personal choice.
We’re just tired of the, “I know what’s best for me and everyone else in my region”, entitlement.
this thread is in direct correlation with a dem - republican thread. People don’t like the way somebody thinks so they try to belittle you and relate your opinions to express negativity. If you can’t accept the choices or actions of individuals while they remain under legal jurisdiction then there is no real argument being made other than a moral comparative.
So strongly agree. I have no intention of violating any law or the policy of any mountain - even if I might disagree with a lot of the restrictions in place. I am just really really tired of the moral-high-horse nonsense that seems to never end. People must be allowed to make their own choices. Give people information, but don't force their hand, no matter how 'bad' something get.
I am not a republican at all by the way. But I am wayyyy on the other side of this than most of my friends.
If you don't want me to go to your state, talk to your governor. Otherwise any 'please please don't come you'll kill my grandma who won't be at the mountain' will get a big fuck you
ski Indiana
If you don't want me to go to your state, talk to your governor. Otherwise any 'please please don't come you'll kill my grandma who won't be at the mountain' will get a big fuck you[/quote]
I get it but
Asking government to take control is not the answer IMO. Sure if it helps you in a particular instance but I highly doubt the people that demand control will see eye to eye with everything the government sees fit after they begin to utilize the power that you ultimately gave them. For example, California... This is why I lean right but I’ll stop right now.
There is no simple debate in this country any more. Every idea is polarized with a stereotype. Nobody is willing to negotiate on solving issues. We are all too stubborn and are so entitled. Especially with these bs social media outlets that make us think the drunk rant we posted on fb at 3 in the morning is going to turn the tides.
SnowshoeThompsonski Indiana
If you don't want me to go to your state, talk to your governor. Otherwise any 'please please don't come you'll kill my grandma who won't be at the mountain' will get a big fuck you
I get it but
Asking government to take control is not the answer IMO. Sure if it helps you in a particular instance but I highly doubt the people that demand control will see eye to eye with everything the government sees fit after they begin to utilize the power that you ultimately gave them. For example, California... This is why I lean right but I’ll stop right now.
There is no simple debate in this country any more. Every idea is polarized with a stereotype. Nobody is willing to negotiate on solving issues. We are all too stubborn and are so entitled. Especially with these bs social media outlets that make us think the drunk rant we posted on fb at 3 in the morning is going to turn the tides.
fuck people, git bitches and die happy
Yep I'm 100% against additional government control just because something is 'bad' or because people are scared. The government unilaterally closing any business because of any disease is way fucking not ok.
skiindianaYep I'm 100% against additional government control just because something is 'bad' or because people are scared. The government unilaterally closing any business because of any disease is way fucking not ok.
is it because of the lack of support from your government towards these businesses that youre not okay with or some other reason? like if the US had provided better support like some other nations would you still be against it?
Hamezis it because of the lack of support from your government towards these businesses that youre not okay with or some other reason? like if the US had provided better support like some other nations would you still be against it?
It's because people should be free to think for themselves... What if the government is wrong about how bad something is? I mean there are businesses that have gone out of business and their county doesn't have a single case.
At its core, a business is just a person making a transaction with another person - willingly. The willful actions of people should not be restricted just because of the fear of other people.
skiindianaIt's because people should be free to think for themselves... What if the government is wrong about how bad something is? I mean there are businesses that have gone out of business and their county doesn't have a single case.
At its core, a business is just a person making a transaction with another person - willingly. The willful actions of people should not be restricted just because of the fear of other people.
People are free to think for themselves... there is nothing restricting you from thinking something.
The what if the government was wrong about how bad something is can be used both ways. Like what if it is worse or what if this was the appropriate response or maybe it was an over reaction. We don't know, but id imagine you'd be a lot more upset about your freedom if things had turned and worse and your government didn't act and it would have on par with the black plague.
It shouldn't be restricted because of fear of others, you are correct. But, should those wilful actions of others have an impact the people who are unwilling?
HamezPeople are free to think for themselves... there is nothing restricting you from thinking something.
The what if the government was wrong about how bad something is can be used both ways. Like what if it is worse or what if this was the appropriate response or maybe it was an over reaction. We don't know, but id imagine you'd be a lot more upset about your freedom if things had turned and worse and your government didn't act and it would have on par with the black plague.
It shouldn't be restricted because of fear of others, you are correct. But, should those wilful actions of others have an impact the people who are unwilling?
It doesn't matter if it was appropriate or not. If the death rate of COVID were 50% I still would not be ok with forcing businesses to close.
AND I really do not give a fuck about the 'impact on others' argument. Why should your choices force me to make choices. If you want to stay inside, stay the fuck inside. It is not my fault you might be susceptible to the virus. Your argument is 'your actions impact others therefore my views should impact your actions'. That is some anti-freewill fucking bullshit.
Don't go out if you don't want to. It is very very simple.
skiindianaIt doesn't matter if it was appropriate or not. If the death rate of COVID were 50% I still would not be ok with forcing businesses to close.
AND I really do not give a fuck about the 'impact on others' argument. Why should your choices force me to make choices. If you want to stay inside, stay the fuck inside. It is not my fault you might be susceptible to the virus. Your argument is 'your actions impact others therefore my views should impact your actions'. That is some anti-freewill fucking bullshit.
Don't go out if you don't want to. It is very very simple.
"why should your choices force me to make choices", can you not see thats the thing you are doing to other people?
No, my argument is "your actions impact others so you should consider how your actions impact on others".
@skiindiana
like rookie said, you’re beating a dead horse with these people. If someone truly believes in seeing more forced government control and hiding from a virus with no vaccine after two months of “quarantine” then it is what it is.
This is the beauty of this country, we are all able to exercise our freedom of speech-if it’s a popular opinion or not-Americans should cherish this.
Please go to timberline and then post pics in this thread of you doing so for ultimate pwnage. maybe I’ll see you there Lmao :)
skiindianaDude don’t go outside if you don’t want to... it’s really really simple. Flatten the curve prolongs the lockdown... you don’t know shit
yeah, maybe youre right... just wish there was some evidence that proves you wrong like maybe New Zealand and Germany? But oh well, the data science analyst on newschoolers knows more than pandemic specialists who implemented these restrictions.
Hamezyeah, maybe youre right... just wish there was some evidence that proves you wrong like maybe New Zealand and Germany? But oh well, the data science analyst on newschoolers knows more than pandemic specialists who implemented these restrictions.
New Zealand cannot open their borders lol. Sweden is almost at herd immunity with death per million below France and the UK
Germany anti body studies have shown some cities have 20% with the virus. Epidemiologists are not kings. There is more than just saving lives
SnowshoeThompsonPlease go to timberline and then post pics in this thread of you doing so for ultimate pwnage. maybe I’ll see you there Lmao :)
I don’t wanna get into this thread’s argument of can and can’t, all I’m gonna say on that is if you’re flying from Indiana to Timberline rn that’s pretty lame and not worth it tbh
I got lucky with the reservations and got to ski Timberline today, and I’ve already been quarantining in Govy for almost 2 months so it’s a very local activity. I know most don’t have that luxury and this opening is attracting people from many surrounding states, and no matter where you fall on this issue thats a very big thing to consider.
Even if you’re joking about pics I figure some of you might be interested in a few pics showing our current ski reality. It was fine today for the novelty of it, but if this is still the full situation for next season its gonna seriously sour a lot of people on skiing
the checkpoint below the lot has an attendant link your pass with your reservation then they give you a special lift ticket, I assume to avoid people passing the checkpoint for touring (uphill access just opened up too, no reservation needed) and skiing over to the lift instead
parking lot was skipping most spots, and the lift lines had spacers to help spread people out, never really waited more than a few minutes due to only allowing 250 people day 1
had a blast ripping big turns and buttering around on the knuckles on stormin again, but I’m not hyped to duke it out on the online reservation link every morning before wanting to ski. It was absurd how fast it sold out, and apparently Bachelor was even faster. I’m gonna hold off this weekend to give others the chance and it’s gonna rain anyway, but the 250 cap could be significantly higher without affecting their distancing operation imo
skiindianaNew Zealand cannot open their borders lol. Sweden is almost at herd immunity with death per million below France and the UK
Germany anti body studies have shown some cities have 20% with the virus. Epidemiologists are not kings. There is more than just saving lives
No they aren't kings, but they a hell of lot more informed on the matter than anyone on this site, including yourself (even though you seem to think otherwise)
Sweden has a lot lower population density than the UK and France. Also being from the UK, I can tell you that even though there has been a lockdown, which wasn't properly implemented at the start, the people there have also had an incredibly lax attitude towards it and its showing with the death toll.
Also Germany abided to the guidelines of the lockdown and they are starting to reopen.
New Zealand can't open its borders? what? Their prime minister decided to close them and keep them shut.
Yeah mate, way more important things in the world than saving lives like spring skiing...
dwt802Yeah because people can just choose to never leave their house... There are things you need to survive, leave your house to get.
Everyone should lose their jobs because I’m scared to go to the grocery. So scared I cannot spend $4 ordering it inside. I must go out and bitch about the way other people go out.
Really cool post. I didn't realize they're keeping it to 250. I'm not in Indiana but I'm not coming out for that either way - would feel bad about taking someone else's spot. Maybe if they expand capacity. I'll take a trip.
People seem really upset about me trying to do something people do literally every spring. And people seem intent on passing their morals on others. Last season I drove 6 hours just for a single weekend of skiing some melting ski area in NH. I had multiple trips planned in March/April. All I want is one day to cap off the season and say fuck you to the whole covid situation.
A lot of people on this thread are lame fucks.
IanAvery-LeafI don’t wanna get into this thread’s argument of can and can’t, all I’m gonna say on that is if you’re flying from Indiana to Timberline rn that’s pretty lame and not worth it tbh
I got lucky with the reservations and got to ski Timberline today, and I’ve already been quarantining in Govy for almost 2 months so it’s a very local activity. I know most don’t have that luxury and this opening is attracting people from many surrounding states, and no matter where you fall on this issue thats a very big thing to consider.
Even if you’re joking about pics I figure some of you might be interested in a few pics showing our current ski reality. It was fine today for the novelty of it, but if this is still the full situation for next season its gonna seriously sour a lot of people on skiing
the checkpoint below the lot has an attendant link your pass with your reservation then they give you a special lift ticket, I assume to avoid people passing the checkpoint for touring (uphill access just opened up too, no reservation needed) and skiing over to the lift instead
parking lot was skipping most spots, and the lift lines had spacers to help spread people out, never really waited more than a few minutes due to only allowing 250 people day 1
had a blast ripping big turns and buttering around on the knuckles on stormin again, but I’m not hyped to duke it out on the online reservation link every morning before wanting to ski. It was absurd how fast it sold out, and apparently Bachelor was even faster. I’m gonna hold off this weekend to give others the chance and it’s gonna rain anyway, but the 250 cap could be significantly higher without affecting their distancing operation imo
SnowshoeThompsonI’m a bigot because I support a party that values the constitution ie. Freedom of speach and equal rights?
Logic. This why I love you, turd
Trump definitely doesn't support equal rights.
Anyway, looks like Timberline is being fairly responsible from the pictures. I saw Beartooth is planning to open late June as well. Would love to go since I missed basically the whole season, but there's too much risk to travel at this point and states opening are looking to make things worse anyway.
skiindianaAnd dude it is 100% not much fucking job to 'save others'. If people are scared they can stay the fuck inside. You're not entitled to my behavior. Worry about yourself.
My argument is I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want and you cannot stop me. I'm done pretending I care what people like you think or bending to your bitch ass nonsense.
The whole 'we have different values' is such morally superior bullshit. Yes, I am wayyyy worse of a person than you. You're fucking awesome man. I love how cool you are. I'm going to continue being a piece of shit. Fuck you and everyone like you
Quite the tantrum you've had here.
End of the day you've proven your true colours, and while I'd really love to understand what is actually going on in your brain I don't think we're ever gonna get to the bottom of this. Your argument doesn't hold up through any reasonable interpretation of fact, knowledge of the situation worldwide, compassion, or even understanding of individual rights and freedoms.
Seems you simply want to do whatever you want with no consequence or responsibility, and expect people to give up their own freedoms to accommodate you doing it. You might call that "liberty" but where I'm from we call that being a spoiled brat.
Morally superior? Dude, you really don't set a high bar.
End of the day you've proven your true colours, and while I'd really love to understand what is actually going on in your brain I don't think we're ever gonna get to the bottom of this. Your argument doesn't hold up through any reasonable interpretation of fact, knowledge of the situation worldwide, compassion, or even understanding of individual rights and freedoms.
Seems you simply want to do whatever you want with no consequence or responsibility, and expect people to give up their own freedoms to accommodate you doing it. You might call that "liberty" but where I'm from we call that being a spoiled brat.
Morally superior? Dude, you really don't set a high bar.
LivingDaLifeTrump definitely doesn't support equal rights.
Anyway, looks like Timberline is being fairly responsible from the pictures. I saw Beartooth is planning to open late June as well. Would love to go since I missed basically the whole season, but there's too much risk to travel at this point and states opening are looking to make things worse anyway.
Lmao I’ll take your word for it. Get ready for 4 more years of “oppression” .
hope you see the world being safe enough to ski at one point or another in your lifetime
End of the day you've proven your true colours, and while I'd really love to understand what is actually going on in your brain I don't think we're ever gonna get to the bottom of this. Your argument doesn't hold up through any reasonable interpretation of fact, knowledge of the situation worldwide, compassion, or even understanding of individual rights and freedoms.
Seems you simply want to do whatever you want with no consequence or responsibility, and expect people to give up their own freedoms to accommodate you doing it. You might call that "liberty" but where I'm from we call that being a spoiled brat.
Morally superior? Dude, you really don't set a high bar.
Here is a perfect example of belittling your opponent because you can’t make a factual argument against him. Call him stupid and delusional then maybe throw in a “spoiled brat” because you refuse to believe anything else than your own narrative.
SnowshoeThompsonHere is a perfect example of belittling your opponent because you can’t make a factual argument against him. Call him stupid and delusional then maybe throw in a “spoiled brat” because you refuse to believe anything else than your own narrative.
“Got him so good”
Factual arguments are on page 1, left unaddressed.
I would suggest the belittling starts somewhere around the word “bitchass”, but you are welcome to disagree.
Funny that you choose to bring issue to belittling one‘s opponent, given that it sounds like you support your current president. You have also chosen to weigh in on me personally to make me seem incompetent. Belittling, one might say.
**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 12:54:48am
KevskiFactual arguments are on page 1, left unaddressed.
I would suggest the belittling starts somewhere around the word “bitchass”, but you are welcome to disagree.
Funny that you choose to bring issue to belittling one‘s opponent, given that it sounds like you support your current president. You have also chosen to weigh in on me personally to make me seem incompetent. Belittling, one might say.
**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 12:54:48am
Example number 2 attack anyone that opposes you through any other non related belief they may hold. Attempt to switch blame as if you never said anything negative. Try to maintain upper hand of conversation at any cost.
SnowshoeThompsonExample number 2 attack anyone that opposes you through any other non related belief they may hold. Attempt to switch blame as if you never said anything negative. Try to maintain upper hand of conversation at any cost.
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Sorry, to outline more clearly. Trump is perhaps the most widely publicized belittler of opponents in all facets of media in the world right now. That belief was related and the irony absolutely relevant.
I think I made it pretty clear that there was something negative there. No denying it - that was literally my point.
Honestly, I’m not American and hold no affiliation to the democrats or republicans. This isn’t political to me at its core and honestly the biggest way your [mis]handling of this virus will impact me is that I likely won’t be able to do summer tours on Baker. I’ll survive without - there’s snow locally and our health officials have recommended we get outside since there are no current community outbreaks in the province. BC got lucky and we pulled our weight. How’s that for a morally righteous, vomit-worthy delivery?
KevskiSorry, to outline more clearly. Trump is perhaps the most widely publicized belittler of opponents in all facets of media in the world right now. That belief was related and the irony absolutely relevant.
I think I made it pretty clear that there was something negative there. No denying it - that was literally my point.
Honestly, I’m not American and hold no affiliation to the democrats or republicans. This isn’t political to me at its core and honestly the biggest way your [mis]handling of this virus will impact me is that I likely won’t be able to do summer tours on Baker. I’ll survive without - there’s snow locally and our health officials have recommended we get outside since there are no current community outbreaks in the province. BC got lucky and we pulled our weight. How’s that for a morally righteous, vomit-worthy delivery?
Example 3 Continue to attack opposition with any unrelated topic at hand that you believe bothers the individual. Become more personal with attacks but emphasize how unbiased you are and how you are nothing but a victim in the scheme of things. Relate the individual as not doing the right thing but again emphasize how not at fault you are and point blame accordingly. Cite “officials” as justification to act the way you do.
SnowshoeThompsonExample 3 Continue to attack opposition with any unrelated topic at hand that you believe bothers the individual. Become more personal with attacks but emphasize how unbiased you are and how you are nothing but a victim in the scheme of things. Relate the individual as not doing the right thing but again emphasize how not at fault you are and point blame accordingly. Cite “officials” as justification to act the way you do.
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Dude I think you're really reaching at this point.
You have been openly discussing your political allegiance and ideas around partisanship surrounding the virus literally on this page - I thought it was appropriate to bring in a topic that is quite obviously on your radar. Everyone in the world knows Trump talks down to people. You didn't bother to refute the irony - you just tried to cover it up with another attack of my character. See how we're going in circles? You've got nothing.
Truly I'm not the victim. There is a closed border between me and the victims in discussion. I am not particularly biased as I have nothing to gain from either "side." I simply do not hold a specific belief which you think is an inherent right, and which nobody can seem to logically defend in the context of a pandemic that requires cooperation and tests togetherness. And seeing needless suffering while an ultimatum self-over-others attitude is still kicking is just a bummer to watch.
Honestly I still would love to hear your logical process of reconciling the tangible loss of human life to avoid making some temporary compromises. Do you believe you will not get your freedom back? Do you distrust your government that deeply? Does giving up something to potentially benefit someone else really just not seem worth it? Losses are necessary, just not for me? My body, my choice? Your body, my choice? Is it only because someone with power is asking you to do it and you'd prefer to arrive at your own conclusion? Help us out here.
Pretty sure all kids are taught how to care for each other in preschool, but the fixation on "liberty" as you understand it is simply not a thing in most developed nations around the world. We elect our governments and the sense is that they generally take care of us. The rest of it we take care of each other. The deep-seeded distrust is a distinctly American thing and I truly don't understand it.
I trust my "officials" because they were instrumental in flattening the curve in BC and dropping cases and deaths to nearly zero in the densest city in Canada. They offered us trust and never forced closure of most businesses. In exchange we did our part. Less people have been stuck outside a care home or hospital while their grandparents (or parents) died, not able to pay them a final visit. That was a team effort. Dunno if any of you guys do this but at 7pm we all step outside and cheer for our health care professionals. Like thousands of people every day. There's an overwhelming sense of togetherness and yeah dude, I'm proud of it.
If we hadn't contained it we'd have experienced so much more tragedy by now and we'd still be right here. A marathon away from the end, wishing it were winter again so that we could stop stressing and just go ski as much as we want, as hard as we want, and wherever we want.
No idea why I decided that your condescending post was worth diving back into this over, but hey. Merry Christmas.
KevskiDude I think you're really reaching at this point.
You have been openly discussing your political allegiance and ideas around partisanship surrounding the virus literally on this page - I thought it was appropriate to bring in a topic that is quite obviously on your radar. Everyone in the world knows Trump talks down to people. You didn't bother to refute the irony - you just tried to cover it up with another attack of my character. See how we're going in circles? You've got nothing.
Truly I'm not the victim. There is a closed border between me and the victims in discussion. I am not particularly biased as I have nothing to gain from either "side." I simply do not hold a specific belief which you think is an inherent right, and which nobody can seem to logically defend in the context of a pandemic that requires cooperation and tests togetherness. And seeing needless suffering while an ultimatum self-over-others attitude is still kicking is just a bummer to watch.
Honestly I still would love to hear your logical process of reconciling the tangible loss of human life to avoid making some temporary compromises. Do you believe you will not get your freedom back? Do you distrust your government that deeply? Does giving up something to potentially benefit someone else really just not seem worth it? Losses are necessary, just not for me? My body, my choice? Your body, my choice? Is it only because someone with power is asking you to do it and you'd prefer to arrive at your own conclusion? Help us out here.
Pretty sure all kids are taught how to care for each other in preschool, but the fixation on "liberty" as you understand it is simply not a thing in most developed nations around the world. We elect our governments and the sense is that they generally take care of us. The rest of it we take care of each other. The deep-seeded distrust is a distinctly American thing and I truly don't understand it.
I trust my "officials" because they were instrumental in flattening the curve in BC and dropping cases and deaths to nearly zero in the densest city in Canada. They offered us trust and never forced closure of most businesses. In exchange we did our part. Less people have been stuck outside a care home or hospital while their grandparents (or parents) died, not able to pay them a final visit. That was a team effort. Dunno if any of you guys do this but at 7pm we all step outside and cheer for our health care professionals. Like thousands of people every day. There's an overwhelming sense of togetherness and yeah dude, I'm proud of it.
If we hadn't contained it we'd have experienced so much more tragedy by now and we'd still be right here. A marathon away from the end, wishing it were winter again so that we could stop stressing and just go ski as much as we want, as hard as we want, and wherever we want.
No idea why I decided that your condescending post was worth diving back into this over, but hey. Merry Christmas.
Example 4: write multiple paragraphs ranting and questioning about who knows what while claiming individual has political bias concerning topic. Continue to pretend you don’t understand what individual is talking about after quickly skimming through previous comments. Divert rant into appreciating the benefits of living in a different country. Act even more gullible to individual as a tactic to instantly confront. “Confused Rambling”
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SnowshoeThompsonExample 4: write multiple paragraphs ranting and questioning about who knows what while claiming individual has political bias concerning topic. Continue to pretend you don’t understand what individual is talking about after quickly skimming through previous comments. Divert rant into appreciating the benefits of living in a different country. Act even more gullible to individual as a tactic to instantly confront. “Confused Rambling”
*down vote down vote down vote*
Safe to say you missed/avoided the point. Again. No amount of inaccurate misguided ridicule will mask that. Honestly though I'd still listen if you could bring a real argument to the table. I actually upvoted one or two of your posts because you clearly can think critically - too bad simply being able to think isn't what this discussion is about.
Example 5: Takes a break from conversation after receiving a series of baseless accusations instead of a reasonable discussion, having acquired no intellectual stimulation to speak of.
End of the day you've proven your true colours, and while I'd really love to understand what is actually going on in your brain I don't think we're ever gonna get to the bottom of this. Your argument doesn't hold up through any reasonable interpretation of fact, knowledge of the situation worldwide, compassion, or even understanding of individual rights and freedoms.
Seems you simply want to do whatever you want with no consequence or responsibility, and expect people to give up their own freedoms to accommodate you doing it. You might call that "liberty" but where I'm from we call that being a spoiled brat.
Morally superior? Dude, you really don't set a high bar.
The death rate is below the flu for people under 40. You people are fucking nuts
