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LawSuit Against Vail & Alterra

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BackWoods420
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https://www.vaildaily.com/entertainment/outdoors/class-action-lawsuits-filed-against-ski-industry-giants-vail-resorts-and-alterra-over-lost-season-pass-value/
Apr 23 2020 7:40PM
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CLQ
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Briant Hunt more like Giant Cunt
Apr 23 2020 8:06PM
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little1337
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As much as Vail sucks, suing because you didn't get your moneys worth out of a season pass you had for more than 75% of the season and there happens to be a pandemic is fucking stupid.
Apr 23 2020 8:51PM
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snowfinder
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To the left you will see wasp being fucking assholes, as its in their nature.
Apr 23 2020 9:15PM
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theabortionator
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little1337As much as Vail sucks, suing because you didn't get your moneys worth out of a season pass you had for more than 75% of the season and there happens to be a pandemic is fucking stupid.


Agreed. Vail sucks hard. Fuck Vail.

However the people suing suck harder. I hope this shit gets thrown out. A bunch if entitled douchebags that probably don't even ski in april anyway but just hate anybody telling them they can't.

I had an epic pass and a local pass to another place plus a bunch of comps for spring. I fucking love spring. I obviously wasn't stoked to lose my job the day if the biggest snowstorm we had all season, and were going to major park rebuilds, and not be able to ski but it's whatever.

Shit happens. Nobody is stoked, but be a man about it, pour a glass of whiskey and get the fuck over it.
Apr 23 2020 9:50PM
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LivingDaLife
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This is stupid, no one wins a lawsuit against Vail or Alterra. They have armies of lawyers. Even if they had a case (which they don't at all) then they would still lose.
Apr 23 2020 9:53PM
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SnowshoeThompson
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LivingDaLifeThis is stupid, no one wins a lawsuit against Vail or Alterra. They have armies of lawyers. Even if they had a case (which they don't at all) then they would still lose.


Yeah they do.

A couple Incline guys just won their case about the late paid parking announcement/refusing to refund passes.
After working there I have zero sympathy for those fucks. Half of our grooming crew wasn’t getting paid the first half of the season let alone all of our logged hours were incorrect.
Apr 23 2020 11:57PM
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Non_State_Actor
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SnowshoeThompsonYeah they do.

A couple Incline guys just won their case about the late paid parking announcement/refusing to refund passes.
After working there I have zero sympathy for those fucks. Half of our grooming crew wasn’t getting paid the first half of the season let alone all of our logged hours were incorrect.


That's kind of bait and switchy though.

I'm almost positive there is something written into the season pass fine print that delineates what constitutes a season and it's probably like ~80 days of ski mountain operations or something.
Apr 24 2020 1:11AM
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SnowshoeThompson
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mystery3That's kind of bait and switchy though.

I'm almost positive there is something written into the season pass fine print that delineates what constitutes a season and it's probably like ~80 days of ski mountain operations or something.


It wasn’t a matter of the season being cut short.

Northstar made the decision to announce a new pay-to-park system in the village lot just a couple weeks before opening, coincidentally, right after the season pass sale had ended.

Pretty much If you don’t want to pay to park in the upper lots you have to park in the lower lot and shuttle a couple miles to the village and walk to the gondola.

Everyone lost their shit immediately and demanded refunds before the resort had even opened. They pretty much ghosted everyone and a riot ensued on their FB page.

it was pretty hilarious. People are still spamming their social media with parking puns.
Apr 24 2020 1:59AM
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Non_State_Actor
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SnowshoeThompsonIt wasn’t a matter of the season being cut short.

Northstar made the decision to announce a new pay-to-park system in the village lot just a couple weeks before opening, coincidentally, right after the season pass sale had ended.

Pretty much If you don’t want to pay to park in the upper lots you have to park in the lower lot and shuttle a couple miles to the village and walk to the gondola.

Everyone lost their shit immediately and demanded refunds before the resort had even opened. They pretty much ghosted everyone and a riot ensued on their FB page.

it was pretty hilarious. People are still spamming their social media with parking puns.


I was speaking to your point and also the thread topic. The "bait and switch" comment was directed at your scenario and the "what constitutes a season legally" was in line with thread topic.
Apr 24 2020 2:11AM
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SnowshoeThompson
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Ahh I see, I’m tripping

Yeah I don’t see that case really going anywhere with these circumstances. Not really their fault either.

Ikon is offering 200 dollars down 0 interest on their passes now which is kinda nice. Hopefully we have a season to look forward to come fall
Apr 24 2020 2:30AM
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Jpurd
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Also allowing purchases to be deferred to 21/22 season if mtns don't open in the fall
SnowshoeThompsonAhh I see, I’m tripping

Yeah I don’t see that case really going anywhere with these circumstances. Not really their fault either.

Ikon is offering 200 dollars down 0 interest on their passes now which is kinda nice. Hopefully we have a season to look forward to come fall
Apr 25 2020 12:02PM
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PeppermillReno
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What

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Cunt


I totally side with Vail on this. Now I would be open to suing them for shutting resorts while their is still snow as corporate bean counters deem it not profitable.


But absolutely nothing comparable stayed open.



You can’t sue in mountain towns and win anyways. Gotta be in a big city.
Apr 25 2020 12:34PM
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theabortionator
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I guess highlands is reopening but guessing thats about the lawsuit or dealing with piased off costumers because they usually close around the 12th 13th. Whatever that weekend is i think
Apr 25 2020 12:47PM
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GayWolf420
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Man its painful seeing how big of brats and babies skiers can get. Grow the fuck up people. What a silly allocation of resources.
Apr 25 2020 1:16PM
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PeppermillReno
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DeebieSkeebiesMan its painful seeing how big of brats and babies skiers can get. Grow the fuck up people. What a silly allocation of resourcesWell

Edit dump lost thought we were in Baldy thread.

**This post was edited on Apr 25th 2020 at 2:28:42pm
Apr 25 2020 2:27PM
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theabortionator
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DeebieSkeebiesMan its painful seeing how big of brats and babies skiers can get. Grow the fuck up people. What a silly allocation of resources.


That last 5 weeks haven't really showed it bad. Lots of spoiled fucks in skiing that don't like to be told no. Prolly the same types of jerrr dads that argue with ski patrol after ducking ropes into avy terrain or try and fight children in the park.

I think it has less to do with the quality of the turns they might get and more to do with "You can't tell me what to do!"

Sick vibes bru
Apr 25 2020 3:10PM
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Mingg
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Vail scans pass right? And you can pull up how often the pass was used? If so, they can prove that this dude got his money's worth which would be epic as shit.
Apr 25 2020 7:27PM
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MoatUnion
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This situation is complex.

I guess it puts me on the opposite side of eeveryone. Due to my job circumstances I ski for a full month end of march and april. It's the only time of the year I can take any vacation and live outside of the continental u.s.

I bought the pass just for that month. I'm aware of the offer for next season of 80% off but I personally want a refund instead as I'll be living in japan all of next year and working..

Just wondering what people think about my situation. The pass was completely unused for me...
May 2 2020 2:39AM
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Jpurd
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Honestly, you bought a non-refundable pass. It sucks, but you buy what you buy. If you knew that you weren't going to able to ski until later in the season and wanted 100 percent certainty, than you probably should have bought day tickets. I know they are outrageously expensive, but it's just tough shit. Sorry. The only people I feel bad for are the ones that bought pass insurance and still got screwed, but even that isn't on Epic.
MoatUnionThis situation is complex.

I guess it puts me on the opposite side of eeveryone. Due to my job circumstances I ski for a full month end of march and april. It's the only time of the year I can take any vacation and live outside of the continental u.s.

I bought the pass just for that month. I'm aware of the offer for next season of 80% off but I personally want a refund instead as I'll be living in japan all of next year and working..

Just wondering what people think about my situation. The pass was completely unused for me...
May 2 2020 9:55AM
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MoatUnion
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Just for thought. If the whole season was cancelled due to something and you bought the pass you would be okay? That would be following the same logic of non refundable pass.

I actually think because of consumer laws this lawsuit will hold up if the attorney is half decent. My credit card has already sided with me and refunded me though.
ski.loonHonestly, you bought a non-refundable pass. It sucks, but you buy what you buy. If you knew that you weren't going to able to ski until later in the season and wanted 100 percent certainty, than you probably should have bought day tickets. I know they are outrageously expensive, but it's just tough shit. Sorry. The only people I feel bad for are the ones that bought pass insurance and still got screwed, but even that isn't on Epic.
May 3 2020 7:26PM
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WoFIowz
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MoatUnionJust for thought. If the whole season was cancelled due to something and you bought the pass you would be okay? That would be following the same logic of non refundable pass.

I actually think because of consumer laws this lawsuit will hold up if the attorney is half decent. My credit card has already sided with me and refunded me though.

If your credit card refunded you then fantastic.

In terms of your question I doubt anyone would be OK with a whole season being cancelled, however that's a totally different story than a single month being removed. The thing is you buy that pass knowing that seasons are fluid and anything can happen to shorten or lengthen a season. Banking on late season is risky and not comparable to an entire season being shut out.

I also wasted money on a season pass two years ago too so know the feeling. Bought a peak resorts pass to use early season and occasionally other times since peak season I was going to real mountains. This was before vail bought them out. The historical trends were good so I calculated I could get a decent 10-15 days in at least before January ended for a total of 20-25 by season end in March sometime. I watched as the other local hill pumped out snow like a boss and was open early December. Yet the hill I had passes to continually put off making snow because weather wasn't going to be sustainably good for another month or so. Except the weather never is consistently cold.... They could have done it but they would have spent money they didn't have to. I skied 5 days in the pass and didn't even come close to making up half my purchase. Point is, it sucks but nothing you can do.
May 3 2020 10:04PM
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Jpurd
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MoatUnionJust for thought. If the whole season was cancelled due to something and you bought the pass you would be okay? That would be following the same logic of non refundable pass.

I actually think because of consumer laws this lawsuit will hold up if the attorney is half decent. My credit card has already sided with me and refunded me though.


I bought pass insurance. If I bought a pass and the insurance didn't refund it before the season started, yes I would be pissed. Like I said, for the folks that paid for insurance, I think they have a right to be angry.
May 4 2020 10:35AM
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broken_skier0
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Trumpkin2020If your credit card refunded you then fantastic.

In terms of your question I doubt anyone would be OK with a whole season being cancelled, however that's a totally different story than a single month being removed. The thing is you buy that pass knowing that seasons are fluid and anything can happen to shorten or lengthen a season. Banking on late season is risky and not comparable to an entire season being shut out.


Except, a lot of families ski two weeks a year. They take a one week trip around the Christmas/New Year's holidays and another in March during spring break. Cut out their spring break trip and they lost half their season.
Sep 26 2020 4:11PM
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WoFIowz
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broken_skier0Except, a lot of families ski two weeks a year. They take a one week trip around the Christmas/New Year's holidays and another in March during spring break. Cut out their spring break trip and they lost half their season.

Then buy day passes like everyone else
Sep 26 2020 11:52PM
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broken_skier0
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Trumpkin2020Then buy day passes like everyone else

With day passes at Vail up to $219/day, during peak season, it can be cheaper to buy a season pass, even if you only plan to ski 10 days a year.
Sep 27 2020 12:19AM
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