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PotamkinWe need to get the country back open. Are you guys seriously going to run and hide with every outbreak? What if it becomes endemic? No skiing forever? Even if there is a vaccine it could still kill 20-50k per year....just like the flu... Are you going to hide forever? Stop letting the media scare you so much. Did you know that MRSA is highly infectious and kills 20k Americans every single year? Do you guys even know what that is? It's time to get back to normal life. Period. (P.S. I have a degree in biology...im not just some nerd that wants you all to die) The media is scaring the F out of everyone and its sick. Its time to go back to life friends. Take it slow if it makes you feel better. That's OK. But it IS time. Peace.
**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2020 at 4:48:09am
theabortionatorThe problem with skiing is people don't and absolutely won't stay local. The weekend the resorts shut down was such a shit show in tahoe.
hubbardsHonestly, Sure.
I honestly don't get why people think the entire world has to come to a standstill because of this pandemic.
How is it possible for all of humanity to simply shut down? Has there ever been a time where global quarantine has effectively stopped the spread of such a contagious pandemic?
I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but at the same time the concept of suspending all human activity until an undefined date is just... not realistic, at all.
Shit happens, but life has to go on, doesn't it?
theabortionatorA bunch of people only lost a week of skiing anyway. A bunch of people don't even ski April if the resorts are open. The fact that they're bored and suddenly can't ski everyones freaking out. Im sad. I had 11 comps line up for spring and have a couple passes. Spring is my favorite.
That said I'm not freaking out, I don't think Im owed shit, and I had a killer season in spite of a challenging winter.
The weekend everyone closed we got a huge snowstorm. Tahoe was full of douchers from the bay demanding to ski. It was such an ugly scene. People absolutely will travel if ski areas open and I hope they don't.
I'd fucking love to be out there. If we could bclose the roads off maybe our ski areas could have stayed open but people are gonna travel it's absolutely gonna happen and it was the right call to shut down.
Just because people are bored and stuck at home doesn't mean they suddenly need skiing. Spring is a fuxking ghost town. People are just bored and looking for shit to be mad about.
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out, smoke a bowl, crack a beer, jerk off, and go back to watching mediocre romcoms on netflix like the rest if us.
hubbardsHonestly, Sure.
I honestly don't get why people think the entire world has to come to a standstill because of this pandemic.
How is it possible for all of humanity to simply shut down? Has there ever been a time where global quarantine has effectively stopped the spread of such a contagious pandemic?
I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but at the same time the concept of suspending all human activity until an undefined date is just... not realistic, at all.
Shit happens, but life has to go on, doesn't it?
PotamkinWe need to get the country back open. Are you guys seriously going to run and hide with every outbreak? What if it becomes endemic? No skiing forever? Even if there is a vaccine it could still kill 20-50k per year....just like the flu... Are you going to hide forever? Stop letting the media scare you so much. Did you know that MRSA is highly infectious and kills 20k Americans every single year? Do you guys even know what that is? It's time to get back to normal life. Period. (P.S. I have a degree in biology...im not just some nerd that wants you all to die) The media is scaring the F out of everyone and its sick. Its time to go back to life friends. Take it slow if it makes you feel better. That's OK. But it IS time. Peace.
**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2020 at 4:48:09am
ski.loonNo it doesn't just "go on". Sure, for most of us, we get sick, we are fine, we move on. But we know nothing about COVID-19. We don't know what the lasting effects will be. We don't know if there will be a 2nd, 3rd, 4th wave.
What do you suggest we do, if we don't shut down? I would genuinly love to hear suggestions. I get that people want to move back towards normal life as soon as possible - I do too - but until we either 1) have a vaccine or 2) have widespread testing (at least in the US) we are just going to see the same issues pop up.
Also, we can social distance as much as we want (at say a ski resort), but it has been proven that this virus can sit on surfaces far longer than the average flu. All it takes is one infected person to touch a bar, a water fountain, use the bathroom, and it could easily spread to numerous people.
And yes, I would rather have a recession than mass death/illness. The economy is not greater than public health.
Craw_DaddyWe're going to have a 2nd wave of it in the fall regardless of whether shit opens now. Viruses are killed by UV light the same way your skin cells are. The officials claiming that COVID 19 is somehow not are fucking lying. It's like claiming that the virus is immune to fire. It makes no sense. So during the summer months, we'll see a sharp decline in the number of cases just like we do for every other virus, and then it's going to ramp back up again just in time for ski season. Are we going to shut down the economy again when that happens? Are we just going to stay hunkered down until we find a vaccine in a year? Life needs to go on. people over 50 and immunocompromised need to stay in quarantine while the rest of us get it and develop herd immunity. Also, the notion that asymptomatic people are just going around spreading it everywhere is also exaggerated. It is spread through saliva and mucus which isn't something that asymptomatic people usually have on their hands and can easily be negated by not touching your face, washing your hands, and wearing PPE. It makes far more sense to let younger healthy people keep the economy moving, then to let all the small businesses in this country fail which is exactly what we are doing right now.
Craw_DaddyWe're going to have a 2nd wave of it in the fall regardless of whether shit opens now. Viruses are killed by UV light the same way your skin cells are. The officials claiming that COVID 19 is somehow not are fucking lying. It's like claiming that the virus is immune to fire. It makes no sense. So during the summer months, we'll see a sharp decline in the number of cases just like we do for every other virus, and then it's going to ramp back up again just in time for ski season. Are we going to shut down the economy again when that happens? Are we just going to stay hunkered down until we find a vaccine in a year? Life needs to go on. people over 50 and immunocompromised need to stay in quarantine while the rest of us get it and develop herd immunity. Also, the notion that asymptomatic people are just going around spreading it everywhere is also exaggerated. It is spread through saliva and mucus which isn't something that asymptomatic people usually have on their hands and can easily be negated by not touching your face, washing your hands, and wearing PPE. It makes far more sense to let younger healthy people keep the economy moving, then to let all the small businesses in this country fail which is exactly what we are doing right now.
blackanyone who thinks this is ok/a good idea is seriously out of touch with the current situation. Ski areas in Europe were a large contributor to the initial spread, this is only going to help fuel a second wave...
ski.loonWhy don't we do what SK did and do widespread testing? If you test negative - move on with your life. If you are positive, quarantine for 2-3 weeks.
No we cannot continue this until we have a vaccine, which as I understand, is not coming this year. I agree we need to build up an immunity, but we can't act recklessly and just allow folks to act like nothing is happening - like opening up a ski resort two weeks after the peak cases hit.
As far as the UV light, yes you are correct. But what about when I go into a ski lodge, touch a table, hand someone my credit card etc... These are all issues that are not ski resort specific, but why should we open up parts of the economy that are recreational.
I would rather see us open up small businesses that can more closely monitor and adapt to the issues we are seeing, than massive ski resorts that are putting in place strict measures, but at the end of the day, we can only enforce them so much.Whereas Tony's Pizza in the sticks of New Hampshire could open and regulate a bit more and still allow us to support small businesses like theirs.
PotamkinWe need to get the country back open. Are you guys seriously going to run and hide with every outbreak? What if it becomes endemic? No skiing forever? Even if there is a vaccine it could still kill 20-50k per year....just like the flu... Are you going to hide forever? Stop letting the media scare you so much. Did you know that MRSA is highly infectious and kills 20k Americans every single year? Do you guys even know what that is? It's time to get back to normal life. Period. (P.S. I have a degree in biology...im not just some nerd that wants you all to die) The media is scaring the F out of everyone and its sick. Its time to go back to life friends. Take it slow if it makes you feel better. That's OK. But it IS time. Peace.
**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2020 at 4:48:09am
Craw_DaddyI absolutely agree with you. And I suppose that I'm really not arguing that things just go back to the way they were but more so that we dispel this climate of fear and start reopening things in a way that acknowledges the concerns of people on both sides of this issue.
ski.loonBecause America's healthcare system is a disgusting joke, we can't handle a massive influx of patients that need intensive care. I'm not sure what people aren't understanding about this
ScaryDumpTruckWe have one of the best healthcare systems in the world, and even if you disagree, no matter what healthcare system you have, it would be overwhelmed by the amount of patients right now. That's why temporary hospitals were built in Spain, Italy, China, France, and the U.S.
PotamkinWe need to get the country back open. Are you guys seriously going to run and hide with every outbreak? What if it becomes endemic? No skiing forever? Even if there is a vaccine it could still kill 20-50k per year....just like the flu... Are you going to hide forever? Stop letting the media scare you so much. Did you know that MRSA is highly infectious and kills 20k Americans every single year? Do you guys even know what that is? It's time to get back to normal life. Period. (P.S. I have a degree in biology...im not just some nerd that wants you all to die) The media is scaring the F out of everyone and its sick. Its time to go back to life friends. Take it slow if it makes you feel better. That's OK. But it IS time. Peace.
**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2020 at 4:48:09am
ski.loonConsidering that we are the wealthiest country in the history of the world, that's actually incorrect. We don't have one of the best healthcare systems in the world, whether you are looking at infrastructure, access, cost, etc..
Here is one study I follow. We are ranked 59th in the world for healthcare. That's embarrassing.
https://www.prosperity.com/rankings
We also spend more on healthcare than ANY other country, yet our outcomes are significantly worse in most cases.
35th in life expectancy
55th in Infant Mortality Rate
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2019/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries
The list goes on... Sure, there are plenty of other factors, but lets not pretend like the US is one of the best in the world. It might be a top 50.
BigPurpleSkiSuitPersonally, I think that's because we're much fatter than most other countries, not because our healthcare is less advanced. Otherwise otherwise wouldn't have people coming here for surgeries.
ski.loonConsidering that we are the wealthiest country in the history of the world, that's actually incorrect. We don't have one of the best healthcare systems in the world, whether you are looking at infrastructure, access, cost, etc..
Here is one study I follow. We are ranked 59th in the world for healthcare. That's embarrassing.
https://www.prosperity.com/rankings
We also spend more on healthcare than ANY other country, yet our outcomes are significantly worse in most cases.
35th in life expectancy
55th in Infant Mortality Rate
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2019/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries
The list goes on... Sure, there are plenty of other factors, but lets not pretend like the US is one of the best in the world. It might be a top 50.
ski.loonI don't have on-hand data to back this up, but I don't think that's the leading cause. It definitely contributes.
ScaryDumpTruckWe have the most expensive, but best healthcare. Also, a big factor to consider is it is much easier to manage healthcare in a smaller country with a population smaller than 100 million, compared to our 320 million. Life expectancy is a stupid figure to look at when comparing healthcare. The reason why we have a lower life expectancy than other countries is because of obesity, suicide rates and opioids. Most other countries don't have an opioid crisis, or high obesity and suicide rates like we do. For Infant Mortality Rate, that is more of a confusing statistic because different countries count deaths differently. For example, what the U.S. says is a stillbirth might not be counted as one in another country.
Did you know the U.S. has the best survival rates for colon, rectum, lung, breast, and prostate cancer? (According to various studies cited by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.) We are among the best for other cancers not listed as well. We also have by far the most advanced medical equipment per capita, as well as the most advanced medical research. Our system does not come without some drawbacks, one of the main ones being if you don't have money, you won't be treated as well. But I believe the pros outweigh the cons.
BigPurpleSkiSuitHaving lived in other countries and travelled through Europe, no other countries are really as obese as we are, and obesity is an enormous killer. Your whole body has to work harder for everything often culminating in an untimely death
skeirmanHow do you know this?
**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2020 at 12:07:10pm
ski.loon
We also spend more on healthcare than ANY other country, yet our outcomes are significantly worse in most cases.
ParkRxThis is largely because our population is less healthy and we are inefficient with spending. That said we have a very competent medical system for treatment but we need to work on preventative care. For an outbreak like covid we are relatively well equipped
**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2020 at 3:48:54pm
blackEurope sees ~roughly the same amount of tourists as all other continents combined, and a significant amount of that is skiing in the winter. They catch it skiing in Europe then bring it back with them internationally. Theres no possible way to get exact numbers on this but the evidence is pointing to it being a significant factor in the spread
http://cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html
https://www.powder.com/stories/news/are-ski-areas-responsible-for-the-spread-of-covid-19/
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html
https://www.erienewsnow.com/story/41822158/story-of-local-skiers-in-northern-italy-before-known-covid19-outbreak-raises-questions
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/kcrw-features/coronavirus-patient-recovered
https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/ischgl-oesterreichisches-skiparadies-als-corona-hotspot/
for every story of people coming back from Europe, realizing it and successfully quarantining, theres exponentially more who had no idea, slipped through the airport and proceeded to spread it in their community. While I understand the risk is way lower at Mt Baldy in late April, its still not a smart precedent to set and I fear more resorts will re-open. Skiing, a niche luxery sport, simply shouldn't be happening rn. If you (not "you" skierman but anyone) disagree I'd like to hear your argument why opening skiing during a global pandemic is a good idea, the floor is yours we're all ears...
ski.loonAgain, no we are not well equipped for this. We have fewer ICU beds than many of the industrialized nations we compare ourselves too. We can't get tests out to states, hell, states are fighting over purchasing ventilators because the feds botched it so much. What makes you think we are "well equipped" for this outbreak?
r00kieHeres their social distancing guidelines from the website.
https://winter.mtbaldyresort.com/covid-19-guidlines/
Appears to be pretty strict. I'd go and just avoid the bathrooms like the plaque and make sure no one gets to close.
HolteTo be fair, Baldy is probably the best mountain possible to be reopening in terms of distancing. They have a lot of terrain, all their chairs are 2-seaters from 1960, and if they can avoid crowding at the base/restaurant, they just don't have the infrastructure to move many people up the mountain. Plus nobody is going to be traveling long distances to ski Baldy at the end of April.
ScootSkiLyfeThe people over at Mt. Baldy seem to be doing a damn good job with the social distancing restrictions.
They are eliminating large amounts of people in many ways. You have to park your car 20’ away from any other vehicle (very limited parking), you have to have a 1 day pass reserved ticket or season pass, they check you in from your vehicle, you sit alone on lifts, must be wearing a mask, no rentals, cafes are closed, bathrooms are rigorously maintained.
I hope other resorts take example and follow suit. Limiting numbers is important, I like how they compared their “traffic” with how much traffic a golf course is getting since those have started opening nationwide. I’m feeling some hope
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