Mt. Hood Summer 2020

IanAvery-Leafbump for a lil update. With walking the dogs everyday I’ve noticed people skiing/snowboarding at ski bowl pretty much every day that the weathers nice. I talked with two guys walking back out of the lot and they said apparently ski bowl is cool with it as long as you walk in from Govy, don’t drive in (both east and west parking lots are still closed/gated). Can’t tell from all the way down in town if the same is happening on Timberline but there were def skin tracks going up the glade trail until very recently. I still am unsure if Timberline can legally say no uphill travel now that its not operating? Same issues at Brighton in Utah where people were pointing out they have no right to restrict uphill travel since its all forest service land and Brighton is done operating for the season. Seems like a grey area, and of course it has to be low key and respectful to not ruin it for everyone

Parking at designated NFS sites is still closed, with the Timberline road/snow bunny/Mirror lake/trillium/tamanawas all still closed and empty, but driving by on Sunday the White River snow park had the sign clearly tossed aside 20+ ft from the road with the “closed” part faced towards the woods, and there was at least a dozen cars/RVs parked there, I’m assuming one of the hikers did that and not the Forest service

Really weird vibes right in Govy still. It’s as empty as I’ve ever seen it, even moreso than late October/Early November

ScootSkiLyfeDefinitely a little jealous of people up in Brighton rn.

IanAvery-Leafyeah I wanna get some answers on the legality of skiing at Timberline, as far as I can tell its no different than Brighton yet they are adamant about no uphill travel...who is wrong here?

people are going stir crazy and need to ease back into safe recreation, and some nice corn harvesting on Palmer seems like a perfect low risk opertunity for that

OCoffeyI’ve seen some stories on Instagram of people skinning from govy up to Palmer

ScootSkiLyfeIs there still snow up in the T-line lot / Gypsy island? I’m surprised people don’t have a little set up going up there.

ScootSkiLyfeOh okay, sorry, must’ve missed that part.

brett_fisherhttps://katu.com/news/local/oregon-reopening-some-state-parks-camping-and-skiing-resume

Pack the car fellow hood wooks !!!!!

HamezI think that you aren't grasping the concept of this whole ordeal.
This is far much more than a few hundred skiers and snowboards in a small area of America, borders have been closed between countries, not to mention continents.

Why on earth would this even be considered? The last thing that is going to be deemed acceptable or essential is a niche activity which will provide very little economic benefit to the country while risking prolonged months of restrictions.

Just chill out, relax and enjoy the spring summer warmer temperatures. Skiing has been cancelled this year.

ScootSkiLyfePeople couldn’t survive off of no income. Can you imagine how unhealthy people would become? People would be dying due to malnutrition and starvation and would have a way higher chance of becoming infected with COVID-19 or any other disease for that matter due to poor eating habits since they won’t have any fucking money to go buy food for their families, let alone the stress and insanity of being locked up. Mental health issues, suicides, alcoholism, abuse, all of it would be skyrocketing.

1 out of 7 children in the United States rely on their one meal a day at school for their main source of nutrition. What about them?

How can anyone think that a year-long lockdown would be a good idea?

Like I don’t know what to say at this point. Anyone with pre-existing health issues that they can’t control, I am sorry. This whole situation most be really scary for you. Anyone who is afraid for their grandparents, I can understand.

But like many people dying have smoked cigarettes their whole lives (which we have known is bad for you for quite some time), are obese (I know obesity can be related to mental health issues and it isn’t always a clear preventable thing), or they are just old and their bodies are already susceptible to disease.

A year-long lockdown isn’t a solution in my book or frankly I don’t think it’s a solution in anyone’s.

gvski13What youre describing with malnutrition and starvation is what happens in communist countries. The lockdown will start to impede on our rights, and its really the extreme leftists who want to continue it to push their socialist agenda. We cannot be locked down forever, it’s unconstitutional. I bet things will be close to normal if not all the way by the end of this month.

gvski13What youre describing with malnutrition and starvation is what happens in communist countries. The lockdown will start to impede on our rights, and its really the extreme leftists who want to continue it to push their socialist agenda. We cannot be locked down forever, it’s unconstitutional. I bet things will be close to normal if not all the way by the end of this month.

gvski13What youre describing with malnutrition and starvation is what happens in communist countries. The lockdown will start to impede on our rights, and its really the extreme leftists who want to continue it to push their socialist agenda. We cannot be locked down forever, it’s unconstitutional. I bet things will be close to normal if not all the way by the end of this month.

ScootSkiLyfeI mean isn't a 1200 governmental stimulus check for doing nothing socialism? I bet you didn't complain about that.

disappointmettI'm sorry that your rights are being impeded on but I think the health of our global community is more important then your ability to go left and right in snow. Take a second and look at the bigger picture man.

OCoffeyhttps://www.timberlinelodge.com/conditions


looks like their just waiting for more details

gvski13It’s your rights too, unless youre not from the US, then your opinion doesnt matter

LivingDaLifeYou don't have rights if you're dead. So there's that to consider - the lock down is for public safety and is not unconstitutional.

DIRTYBUBBLEYeah dude while we're at it lets change all the speed limits to 5mph so we can keep the public safe and healthy.

LivingDaLifeShould we move the speed limits entirely? We saw what happened when Montana tried that, they went back to having them. Poor analogy. Reasonable speed limits exist for our safety and aren't unconstitutional. The same goes for lock downs and mask requirements and any other COVID related safety measures.

DIRTYBUBBLE>likening reasonable speed limits to an almost total shutdown of society

I agree, bad analogy, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. I don't give a shit about "muh constitutional rights". Im trying to say that there is a reasonable middle ground between no speed limits and 5 mph maximums

**This post was edited on May 6th 2020 at 4:20:17pm

LivingDaLifeAnd there are reasonable exceptions to the lock down, so you have no point to make. There is no martial law, people can still go outside. There are reasonable precautions being taken.

DIRTYBUBBLELack of martial law and being free to go outside is a pretty low bar to set. How exactly is forcing 30 million Americans into unemployment (as well as the myriad of other side-effects caused by the lockdown) considered reasonable?

LivingDaLifeOf course the bailout packages should do a better job of taking care of those losing their jobs

LivingDaLifehttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/496448-supreme-court-declines-to-lift-pennsylvania-health-order Well, the supreme court agrees. And killing millions is not preferable to lock down, so yes, it is reasonable. Of course the bailout packages should do a better job of taking care of those losing their jobs, but that's a separate issue.

LivingDaLifeAnd killing millions is not preferable to lock down, so yes, it is reasonable.

DIRTYBUBBLEOk do you have an argument that doesn't rely on moral high-ground pandering or slippery slope fallacies? Lockdown was meant to be a temporary, emergency response so that excess deaths would not occur AS A RESULT of an overwhelmed healthcare system. It's purpose was to buy time in order to prepare. It was never meant to eradicate the virus or ensure that no one dies or gets infected. It was never meant to be an indefinite shutdown and a heroic Hollywood style ending with a mystical vaccine (Which may never be developed). In what world does a virus that 99% of people survive merit a near-complete societal shutdown?

LivingDaLifehttps://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/why-lockdowns-work-epidemics-coronavirus-covid19/ I dunno, maybe listen to the scientists.

skiindiana'Listen to the scientist' is incredible self-righteous and naive. There are scientists who have been against the lockdowns since the beginning. AND science is all about taking information, testing your assumptions, an modifying your behaviors. There are states in the US with less than 100 deaths and hundreds of thousands of unemployed.

That's good science? What kind of science balances economic v. health risk? Is that a black and white 'fact'?

LivingDaLifeWhich scientists have been against the lockdown!

LivingDaLifeEconomic risk vs health risk is pretty clear - you can't work if you're dead.

LivingDaLifeSee the black death for economic impacts - in the end it actually worked out for the best, so maybe let's just sacrifice as much of the population as possible. In the long run, that'll work out for the economy!

OCoffeyhttps://www.oregonlive.com/travel/2020/05/executive-order-will-allow-mount-hood-ski-resorts-to-reopen-will-they.html


some more details here. They said opening as early as the end of next week and will be on a reservation basis

DIRTYBUBBLEhttps://youtu.be/bfN2JWifLCY



Luckily most of the working population doesn’t live in a nursing home/posses comorbidities



Are you seriously equivocating this to a plague that occurred hundreds of years ago?

LivingDaLifeOh great, a Swedish expert - how did that work out for Sweden? Hmmmm..

Also if you don't understand sarcasm and history, that explains a lot.

ScootSkiLyfeThere is a ski hill in MN opening this weekend just for a day. They are setting out features and you are allowed to hike.

skiindianaThe Swedish rate of death per million is lower than many developed countries and quite similar to Norway. They have tons of nursing home and hospice deaths just like everyone else.

skiindianaMy mistake I meant Neatherlands

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

LivingDaLifeOk, great - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-netherlands-gamble-on-limited-intelligent-lockdown-to-control-covid-19/

So the two countries that failed to properly lock down have similar death rates, while countries that did actually lock down have way lower! Yep. Way to back up your case.

skiindianaSo you're just ignoring all the 10 countries about Sweden in death per million?

LivingDaLifeOk, great - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-netherlands-gamble-on-limited-intelligent-lockdown-to-control-covid-19/

So the two countries that failed to properly lock down have similar death rates, while countries that did actually lock down have way lower! Yep. Way to back up your case.