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The normal sth bibdings have a heel piece stack height that is simply too high. The driver 14 bindings retained the great wrap around toe piece of the sth binding but it had a much lower heel stack height than the sth’s.
below are pictures of the driver binding (above) and the sth binding (below)
did the drivers heel piece have reliability issues or something?
BayAreaJerrythese pictures make it look 2mm higher, I dont see the problem. When the brake is down they seem almost identical to me
Looks more like 3-4mm to me. It would def be noticeable either way. Salomon should take note that 4 out of the 6 xgames slope finalists were riding tyrolia attack 2s because they have an almost flat 17 mm on both front and rear stack heights. Ive ridden bindings before that were 3-4 mm higher rear stack height than front stack height, and it felt like i was wearing high heels.
dont ask me how i know what wearing high heels feels like.
Pretty sure the binding was updated to have a little bit of lift in the heal to drive a modern day ski with rocker. You could always lift the toe a the same amount to get flat. Ya I know it brings you off the ski more but you’d be flat. I don’t know that gear has as much to do with the guys winning as it does with the size of the checks they are getting from the companies. Ask any of the winners and losers why they didn’t win... pretty sure the answer of because my heal is 3mm higher will not be in the top ten.
I’ve heard they both perform well. I have never heard of significant issues with either binding, so I’m guessing Salomon just wanted to switch up the look and be modern with their design..?
LemuelImagine using a heel designed in the 60's in 2020
9/10 when you are watching a ski event and someones ski pops off in a way it shouldnt, its a STH, 1/10 is a pivot. theyre fine if you weigh 130 lbs but otherwise its really all personal preference. I blew through some salomon sths when i was young and went straight to pivot, havent looked back.
eheath9/10 when you are watching a ski event and someones ski pops off in a way it shouldnt, its a STH, 1/10 is a pivot. theyre fine if you weigh 130 lbs but otherwise its really all personal preference. I blew through some salomon sths when i was young and went straight to pivot, havent looked back.
Fair enough. I've had good luck with the STH2. The only issue I had with the old STH was brakes getting wrecked. Pivots were too much of a headache for me.
I blew so many of those apart in the mid 00s. The worst problems: once the toe piece broke in half, once I slid the heelpiece back because it wouldn't stay put and the metal part of the track was cracked in 3 places.The brakes never survived more than a few switch landings. Had 4 pairs replaced on warranty before I finally moved to Looks.
The best binding Salomon ever made was the 977 Equipe. I got a pair off some old straight skis and they still function after 600+ days of me using them. But don't believe me, here's 'the Jaded Local' on them: https://www.powder.com/stories/salomon-977-driver-equipe/
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2020 at 9:23:20pm
skiP.E.I.I blew so many of those apart in the mid 00s. The worst problems: once the toe piece broke in half, once I slid the heelpiece back because it wouldn't stay put and the metal part of the track was cracked in 3 places.The brakes never survived more than a few switch landings. Had 4 pairs replaced on warranty before I finally moved to Looks.
The best binding Salomon ever made was the 977 Equipe. I got a pair off some old straight skis and they still function after 600+ days of me using them. But don't believe me, here's 'the Jaded Local' on them: https://www.powder.com/stories/salomon-977-driver-equipe/
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2020 at 9:23:20pm
It kinda makes sense that salomons arent reliable. French people have one of the lowest national avg iqs in europe, probably because France’s socialist wealth taxes chased all the wealthy high iq engineers to switzerland austria and germany where they werent fleeced to fuck by a bunch of talentless white flag french pussies. Engineering reliable shit requires a high iq—the french seem to consider inferiority a virtue.
DolanReloadedIt kinda makes sense that salomons arent reliable. French people have one of the lowest national avg iqs in europe, probably because France’s socialist wealth taxes chased all the wealthy high iq engineers to switzerland austria and germany where they werent fleeced to fuck by a bunch of talentless white flag french pussies. Engineering reliable shit requires a high iq—the french seem to consider inferiority a virtue.
sorry candide, i still love you.
??? Everyone worships Look/Rossignol, both of which are French. And they love to shit on Marker, which is German. Check your confirmation bias boiii
Fun side note, no matter what their IQ is, the people obsessing over cultural stereotypes and IQ superiority are the ones who tend do nothing, contribute nothing, and go nowhere.
**This post was edited on Mar 10th 2020 at 2:46:13am
skiP.E.I.I blew so many of those apart in the mid 00s. The worst problems: once the toe piece broke in half, once I slid the heelpiece back because it wouldn't stay put and the metal part of the track was cracked in 3 places.The brakes never survived more than a few switch landings. Had 4 pairs replaced on warranty before I finally moved to Looks.
The best binding Salomon ever made was the 977 Equipe. I got a pair off some old straight skis and they still function after 600+ days of me using them. But don't believe me, here's 'the Jaded Local' on them: https://www.powder.com/stories/salomon-977-driver-equipe/
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2020 at 9:23:20pm
I love how everybody’s perception of a good binding is the fact that they never come out of them. All you din crankers love your *insert binding here* because you never “prerelease” out of them.
LemuelI love how everybody’s perception of a good binding is the fact that they never come out of them. All you din crankers love your *insert binding here* because you never “prerelease” out of them.
Yeah because landing switch and bindings clipping off as soon as you hit the grounding launching you into a serious whiplashed to dome smack.
Skis should clip off in a tumble not on impact. That is the difference between a shitty binding and good binding.
LemuelI love how everybody’s perception of a good binding is the fact that they never come out of them. All you din crankers love your *insert binding here* because you never “prerelease” out of them.
Mostly posted the article for entertainment value and the fact Salomon used to make solid bindings, but for years everything with a driver toe piece fell apart.
have used both iterations of the binding very very hard and have had zero issues, both with the old STH14 Drivers and the modern STH2-16's. Its probably just minor tweak to accommodate with the times, idk shit about bindings i just like to use them a lot and theyve done a good job staying on my feet i guess.
eheath9/10 when you are watching a ski event and someones ski pops off in a way it shouldnt, its a STH, 1/10 is a pivot. theyre fine if you weigh 130 lbs but otherwise its really all personal preference. I blew through some salomon sths when i was young and went straight to pivot, havent looked back.
pokermanYeah because landing switch and bindings clipping off as soon as you hit the grounding launching you into a serious whiplashed to dome smack.
Skis should clip off in a tumble not on impact. That is the difference between a shitty binding and good binding.
I bet you most pre releases occur from improper forward pressure and toe height adjustment. With the driver toe you have to make sure your toe height and wing adjustments are correct.
Also I see about 95% of park skiers putting their boots on in the parking lot and scraping the crap out of their soles on pavement. I bet that is a large cause of pre releases as well, leading to a majority of prereleases. Most people can’t even walk properly in shoes without shuffling their feet, let alone in ski boots.
I have rarely had to crank up my din from the chart value. I’m going to owe that to proper adjustment of my bindings and taking care of my boots.
Also I see about 95% of park skiers putting their boots on in the parking lot and scraping the crap out of their soles on pavement. I bet that is a large cause of pre releases as well, leading to a majority of prereleases. Most people can’t even walk properly in shoes without shuffling their feet, let alone in ski boots.
