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animatorIf you want to use the same holes you need to go Marker. I’m not even sure if the Griffon/Jester have the same hole pattern but if they do, those are your best bet. Why are you against drilling another set of holes? Seems like it would be worth it to not have another binding blow up
AdtmartensIm not necessarily against drilling other holes as i have done it on other skis. Im just thinking that it would be easier and better for the skis to use the same ones. Maybe i should just get completely different bindings though if everyone seems to have problems with marker.
animatorThe Griffon gets a lot of hate, I’ve personally been using it for 5 or 6 years now and haven’t had a single issue with them but that’s just me
animatorThe Griffon gets a lot of hate, I’ve personally been using it for 5 or 6 years now and haven’t had a single issue with them but that’s just me
hubbardsHonestly, same. I have never had a problem with griffons to be honest. They release when I need them to and dont when I dont.
anders_aweight and riding stile also has a part.
Squire are made for smaller kids
freddi323Im not Sure but i think the brakes are the same on the squire, griffon, and jesters, so i dont know if changing to one of them would solve your problem
Dan-ManI watched a kid blow up his markers just last weekend.
I wonder how guys like Will Wesson and T-Wall manage not to blow those things to bits?
ConesForBreakfasYou probably are landing switch leaning forward too much, so your heel lifts up just enough to let the brake down slightly, it catches the snow, and then breaks. Try landing further back and keep your weight over your feet
AdtmartensThis is most likely true seeing as I'm still pretty garbage at landing switch. But still I want a binding thats not going to shatter because of one bad landing. Idk if i cant guarantee that i land well every and all the marker bindings have the same plastic part should i just get completely different ones. (Attacks or pivots)
ConesForBreakfasI only knew that cus it's what i did for a while. Just keep practicing it'll come. Its extremely frustrating when equipment doesn't work right, but now you know not to buy Squires lol. Ppl here love to scrutinize Markers and worship Pivots, but i haven't had any problems with my Griffons that arent partially my fault and my Pivots also have had their share of issues
AdtmartensYa im sure every binding has its downfalls but every person i talk to tells me pivots are worth the money. Everyone also seems to be liking the attacks as well which are also a good price. Should i give marker another chance and get griffons or should get attacks. Maybe i should empty my bank account on pivots if they last longer. All i know for sure is that im not getting squires again lol.
AdtmartensYa I probably should have considered this more since i use them strictly for park. I just honestly didn’t think i would break bindings that easy.
anders_aI can understand killing squires, and griffins, but jesters? the 16 and 18 are pretty massive and solid built.
I've killed boots, skis etc, and misc other bindings, but never a jester
Pivot is a cool binding, I will take a jester 16/18 any day.
AdtmartensYa I probably should have considered this more since i use them strictly for park. I just honestly didn’t think i would break bindings that easy.
AdtmartensRight now im really leaning towards the griffons. I would probably never be able to break a pair of jesters but there pretty pricey. The griffons seem like a good compromise between durability and price while most likely still being able to use the same hole pattern. Have you had any experience with griffons and would it be worth it actually getting jesters.
AdtmartensIm not necessarily against drilling other holes as i have done it on other skis. Im just thinking that it would be easier and better for the skis to use the same ones. Maybe i should just get completely different bindings though if everyone seems to have problems with marker.
anders_aI'm 215-220lbs and 6'2 and I've been heavier other seasons.
I own.. 15+? jesters, kinda lost count, 1 griffon. when I ski the griffon I'm always nervous, but still havent killed it.
If your lighter and shorter griffons is good, and its definetly way way better than squire
Where I live jesters has gone on sale recently, so maybe look around? they are the same price as griffons a few places, so less than 200
**This post was edited on Feb 24th 2020 at 5:21:01pm
Dan-ManI watched a kid blow up his markers just last weekend.
I wonder how guys like Will Wesson and T-Wall manage not to blow those things to bits?
PAULBOYDo you also wonder why every pro skier never has damaged equipment? Its because they are sponsored. Companies Like Faction can send A Hall skis on skis to keep the brand image up.
CalumSKIsquires are a plastic based binding, which means the heavier u are the more prone the binding will be to breaking
PAULBOYDo you also wonder why every pro skier never has damaged equipment? Its because they are sponsored. Companies Like Faction can send A Hall skis on skis to keep the brand image up.
Cade2Your brakes are broken not the binding, just replace the brakes
ConesForBreakfasYou probably are landing switch leaning forward too much, so your heel lifts up just enough to let the brake down slightly, it catches the snow, and then breaks. Try landing further back and keep your weight over your feet
Butter4dayzI have had breaks break in the same way jist with heavy landings and the din being too low. The ski boot would "grab" the break and just tear it out of it housing. However marker made it quite easy to just replace the whole assembly.
AdtmartensDo you really think that it would be beneficial for me to turn up my dins. They were at around 5 before. ( im 110 pounds 5’6” and a intermediate/beginner park skier) If my dins were higher would it prevent them from breaking?
animatorNo it would not, it would prevent you from releasing when you should, potentially causing massive injury to yourself. DIN adjustments and charts exist for a reason, unless you’re on the FWT or blasting 12 feet out of a super pipe, I would keep them as they should be. The bindings broke because they’re not designed for park skiing and high impacts
AdtmartensI know that the din makes it more difficult to release and tensions coils inside. Like im not saying im about to crank my dins up to 12 but like if i turned it up to 6 or 6.5 it might help. To my understanding i landed nose heavy off on a switch landing which lifted the heel piece just enough that the brake caught the snow ( which still had all my weight on it ). This broke the plastic part holding the brake. Im thinking if my dins were higher ( not alot higher ) it might keep the heel piece down enough and keep the brakes out of the snow resulting in an intact binding.
anders_aWhat happens on static just leaning forward until your hands touch like a nose butter? and when you do it faster?
Can you see the heal / stopper move? Like I just posted, is the forward tensin/afd right?
ConesForBreakfasTurning up the din increases the stress that already exists on the binding before stresses are caused, by leaning really forward for example, which reduces the amount of elastic strain the bindings can go under from the extra stress. By reducing the amount of possible strain (movement) it can help. Having a low din does no good if you're still crashing hard due to the binding itself
animatorLmao hope to god you’re not a shop tech because this is not how bindings operate. Elasticity is a pre set notion it is not altered by DIN
Adtmartensdid you see the plastic part that snapped in the picture it like held the brake in place. Like i still skied the rest of the day with them like that but its broke like this twice now so im gonna get better bindings.
Cade2Yes that is apart of the brake
Cade2Every marker binding uses the same brake btw
