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Homies that love to butter, what boot are you in and why?

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supersquid
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I have been pondering this for a while.

Anytime you butter, you are bending the ski (obviously)

Anytime your boot flexes, this is power that is not being transmitted to the ski. Thats why racers are in such stiff boots.

It seems to me that the stiffest possible boot (with in reason) will allow you to transmit the most force to the ski allowing you to butter easier.

A large part of this trick is being able to get over your ski and maintain a proper center of gravity throughout it. So a boot that is to stiff will not allow you to do this.

I personally ski the lange rx130 lv with a worldcup booster. While it is by no means the stiffest, I feel like it is pretty stiff compared to my other park rat friends.

I personally believe that getting into a stiff boot has made my park skiing a lot more consistent.

what do yall like and why?
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Dan-Man
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Salomon SPK/Ghosts.

Most people would describe them as soft. but I can still butter fine, and don't get shin bang.
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Guesstimate
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For me it was less stiffness and more just having a boot that fit right that changed the most. Yeah my boots are an 100 flex atomic hawx ultras but flex is happening with my feet and legs not around it.

At the end of the day Technique trumps all.

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**This post was edited on Feb 17th 2020 at 11:25:16pm
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saucy+steve
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im on the ft descendant 6,which is 90, And my brother is on the ft first chair 8. Its all personal preference, whatever you like
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supersquid
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GuesstimateFor me it was less stiffness and more just having a boot that fit right that changed the most. Yeah my boots are an 100 flex atomic hawx ultras but flex is happening with my feet and legs not around it.

At the end of the day Technique trumps all.

**This post was edited on Feb 17th 2020 at 11:24:45pm

**This post was edited on Feb 17th 2020 at 11:25:16pm


V true, technique over anything. Forgot to mention that I am a boot fitter so mine fit great. However, before I learned how to fit boots, I was in a pair that were way to big. Ill fitting boots make skiing a lot more unpredictable and getting into a good fit is super important.
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Nuno812
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Tight ass boots, and a stiff enough flex that they don’t marshmallow out on you. For me I wear a street 9 and fit in a 25.5 boot, can barley fit one finger in the shell fit. I weigh 200 and use full tilts #10 flex with booster straps, still a bit soft for me but responsive enough. And like everyone said, getting comfortable pressing in. Just don’t tear your ACL like I just did ;)
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weastcoat
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It’s gonna be more about the size than the boot flex. I size as a 27.5 and am almost in an 11 shoe size, but I ride a 25.5 Full Tilt Tom Wallisch. Sure, my feet hated me for the first few weeks in them, but after a few times of heat molding and a few weeks worth of ski days, I’ve never had a better fitting boot. When I crank them down all the way and do a nose press or nose butter, they have (with no exaggeration), zero heel lift. That’s without any added inserts into the boot. If anything, i can just feel less weight on my heel.

Not only do they make butters effortless, but they’ve really changed all other aspects of my skiing. Jumps, rails, all mountain, everything. Literally feels like the ski is apart of my foot when I have those boots on.


Also, I’ll add, those boots are advertised as a 6 flex (90), but they feel as if they’re a 4 flex.

it may seem like a bad idea at first, but severely downsizing really helps all aspects of your skiing.
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supersquid
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weastcoastIt’s gonna be more about the size than the boot flex. I size as a 27.5 and am almost in an 11 shoe size, but I ride a 25.5 Full Tilt Tom Wallisch. Sure, my feet hated me for the first few weeks in them, but after a few times of heat molding and a few weeks worth of ski days, I’ve never had a better fitting boot. When I crank them down all the way and do a nose press or nose butter, they have (with no exaggeration), zero heel lift. That’s without any added inserts into the boot. If anything, i can just feel less weight on my heel.

Not only do they make butters effortless, but they’ve really changed all other aspects of my skiing. Jumps, rails, all mountain, everything. Literally feels like the ski is apart of my foot when I have those boots on.


Also, I’ll add, those boots are advertised as a 6 flex (90), but they feel as if they’re a 4 flex.

it may seem like a bad idea at first, but severely downsizing really helps all aspects of your skiing.


Downsize for performance fs. Did you end up punching the toes on the boots? Theres tons of boot work you can do to a boot thats to small in order to get it to fit perfect. You can always make more volume, cant really take it away.
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Dan-Man
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weastcoastIt’s gonna be more about the size than the boot flex. I size as a 27.5 and am almost in an 11 shoe size, but I ride a 25.5 Full Tilt Tom Wallisch. Sure, my feet hated me for the first few weeks in them, but after a few times of heat molding and a few weeks worth of ski days, I’ve never had a better fitting boot. When I crank them down all the way and do a nose press or nose butter, they have (with no exaggeration), zero heel lift. That’s without any added inserts into the boot. If anything, i can just feel less weight on my heel.

Not only do they make butters effortless, but they’ve really changed all other aspects of my skiing. Jumps, rails, all mountain, everything. Literally feels like the ski is apart of my foot when I have those boots on.


Also, I’ll add, those boots are advertised as a 6 flex (90), but they feel as if they’re a 4 flex.

it may seem like a bad idea at first, but severely downsizing really helps all aspects of your skiing.


I have been a downsizer in my rollerblades for some years now, but this seems a little extreme.

size 11 shoe to essentially a 7.5 (25.5) shoe/boot. I have a feeling you are wearing to big of shoes haha.

whatever works for you homie.

I personally have skied a salomon 26.5 for the last 15 years, and wear 8.5 shoes. works for me, i've noticed a little heal movement this season. but don't think I'd want to deal with that level of discomfort even for 1 day. you only get so many ski days each year.
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armchair_skier
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Get boots that fit. Hard to butter if your heel is off the foot bed when you lean forward.
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270on420out
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Size 28 FT dropkicks. All cables cranked down as tight as possible with the bootstrap behind the tongue.


I’ve always wondered if buttering is any harder for people who ride light ass Marker bindings.
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Cream_Sauce
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Tecnina Cochise 130. Not a true 130 but it was the best compromise for me.

I ski the same boot for park, freeriding, sidecountry, hut trips, even urban.
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animator
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I ski FT Seth Morrison’s w a 10 flex tongue, I like the responsiveness of a stiffer boot in the park but that’s just me. Some people prefer a softer boot and that’s cool, I think it boils down to what is comfortable and what is familiar. I couldn’t butter until I got in a stiffer boot but I have friends who ski 90 flex boots and can butter way better than I can
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JmckR
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Boot stiffness and ski flex makes all the diference. I've got a buddy who's by no means a park skier, but has 130flex Hawx and when he rides his Rossi Soul 7s he can butter them like nobodys business. I'm actually fckin jealous of him cause I have to work so hard to butter my SFBs with my 110 flex Nordicas
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weastcoat
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supersquidDownsize for performance fs. Did you end up punching the toes on the boots? Theres tons of boot work you can do to a boot thats to small in order to get it to fit perfect. You can always make more volume, cant really take it away.


Naw, I got them heat molded and took Advil for the first few weeks of skiing in them. They would suck for the first hour of the day then they were Gucci after that.
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weastcoat
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DIRTYBUBBLESize 28 FT dropkicks. All cables cranked down as tight as possible with the bootstrap behind the tongue.


I’ve always wondered if buttering is any harder for people who ride light ass Marker bindings.


Why would lighter bindings make it harder?
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