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Looking to cop some ON3P’s next season. Prob Jeffery/Kartel 96s. I know that they are durable and poppy and playful and yada yada but are there any downsides to them? I guess besides price but that doesn’t bother me.
Love my magnuses but just lost 2 inches of edge and it hasn't even been a year. I think their durability is reliable but it obviously isn't bulletproof. Sad when you drop $700 on a pair of park skis tho
CatdickBojanglesI'm 5'11 180lbs and usuall ski between 175-181 and I went to 186 and dont regret it at all.
This is quite topical. I'm 5'10" 195lbs and charge pretty hard. 181 has always been my sweet spot. Reading this is sounds like I may want to consider 186.
CaptainObvious.This is quite topical. I'm 5'10" 195lbs and charge pretty hard. 181 has always been my sweet spot. Reading this is sounds like I may want to consider 186.
I would recommend it. So much more stable and hardly any difference in the air.
Just a head's up for the size comparison people in this thread. ON3P generally runs a little longer than most other brands because the length they cite is the pressed tip to tail length, whereas many other folks are using the length of the materials before they're pressed with rocker and splay and such. I've never noticed it on my feet and I don't think it really matters, but if you're splitting hairs with length, it's good to know that a 181 ON3P will usually be a touch longer than like a 181 Line.
cydwhitJust a head's up for the size comparison people in this thread. ON3P generally runs a little longer than most other brands because the length they cite is the pressed tip to tail length, whereas many other folks are using the length of the materials before they're pressed with rocker and splay and such. I've never noticed it on my feet and I don't think it really matters, but if you're splitting hairs with length, it's good to know that a 181 ON3P will usually be a touch longer than like a 181 Line.
This picture although not the perfect comparison shows the 186 Jeffery compared to a 178 all play and 168 dollo.
cydwhitJust a head's up for the size comparison people in this thread. ON3P generally runs a little longer than most other brands because the length they cite is the pressed tip to tail length, whereas many other folks are using the length of the materials before they're pressed with rocker and splay and such. I've never noticed it on my feet and I don't think it really matters, but if you're splitting hairs with length, it's good to know that a 181 ON3P will usually be a touch longer than like a 181 Line.
This is great to know. The thought of 186 was a little nerve wracking for me because I have a pair of 184 Libertys and I prefer a little less length on my daily drivers. Maybe I'll stick with my gut and go 181 then. I'm planning to go custom so it's a good chunk of change to drop on a longer ski than I normally like.
It took me a minute to get used to both of my pairs coming off of skiing 4FRNT's for a few seasons. I guess getting used to the different shape and sidecuts of my skis (Kartel 108's and Woodsman 116's) each time id switch off was the only minor gripe I had. But theyre both entirely different skis compared to each other though I use them pretty similarly. Stiff as hell at first but once broken in, i think the skis find a really perfect playful but also still reliable and stiff flex for rough landings and pure charging.
Its been a snowy year here in UT and ive been on my Woodsmans mostly. Solid ski for everything even at a 116 waist, Id imagine something smaller like the 108s or another ski similar would be a killer daily driver. Its poppy as hell for hitting natural hits and sending stuff and snipes transitions so nicely. Easy to finagle in those tight spots in the trees and it rips when you wanna go wide open down stuff. Pretty jibby too honestly. Can ride switch pretty fine on them and do butters/switch hits all day. Real fun ski 10/10 would recommend to a friend
CaptainObvious.This is great to know. The thought of 186 was a little nerve wracking for me because I have a pair of 184 Libertys and I prefer a little less length on my daily drivers. Maybe I'll stick with my gut and go 181 then. I'm planning to go custom so it's a good chunk of change to drop on a longer ski than I normally like.
And now, just to drop even weirdo info, that I'm even less sure about...
I remember a few years ago someone at ON3P saying that for the Kartel 108 (and some other models) they were designed around the 181 cm length, and then scaled up or down for the other sizes. So, while all sizes of ON3Ps are very nice and ski well and are bombproof and come factory waxed with goat semen, etc, etc, if you're between sizes on a freestyle ski, you might as well go with the 181, just because it's the most perfect expression of what the designers meant.
Feel free to swoop in and ban me if I'm spewing nonsense Iggy.
CaptainObvious.This is great to know. The thought of 186 was a little nerve wracking for me because I have a pair of 184 Libertys and I prefer a little less length on my daily drivers. Maybe I'll stick with my gut and go 181 then. I'm planning to go custom so it's a good chunk of change to drop on a longer ski than I normally like.
where do you usually ski Captain?
cydwhitAnd now, just to drop even weirdo info, that I'm even less sure about...
I remember a few years ago someone at ON3P saying that for the Kartel 108 (and some other models) they were designed around the 181 cm length, and then scaled up or down for the other sizes. So, while all sizes of ON3Ps are very nice and ski well and are bombproof and come factory waxed with goat semen, etc, etc, if you're between sizes on a freestyle ski, you might as well go with the 181, just because it's the most perfect expression of what the designers meant.
Feel free to swoop in and ban me if I'm spewing nonsense Iggy.
One of my favorite things is the “on3p feel”. Something about a burley ski with a bamboo core with lots of rocker allows you to just bulldoze anything unlike a lot of other skis.
I took a large monetary risk buying billy goats without ever testing them. I really liked em, snagged some old caylors and absolutely LOVE EM, and just grabbed some Jeff 108 and im trying to get used to camber and sharp edges.
CaptainObvious.This is great to know. The thought of 186 was a little nerve wracking for me because I have a pair of 184 Libertys and I prefer a little less length on my daily drivers. Maybe I'll stick with my gut and go 181 then. I'm planning to go custom so it's a good chunk of change to drop on a longer ski than I normally like.
Gonna jump in here. 6’0 165 went 181 on the Jeffrey 96 as a park/all mountain ski to be a slightly lighter snappier version of my 186 Kartel 108s for the smaller local hills. While definitely significantly lighter and snappier the 181s feel a bit too short. Even though they run a bit longer than other brands they’re pretty much the same length as my old 181 armada ar6s and have significantly less effective edge due to the rocker. This in my case exaggerated due to an aggressive detune.
I’m legit gonna sell the 181 this spring and size up because I know that the extra length will make them perfect.
Also Scott recommended the 186 for me and I went with the 181 and he was right in the end. Take the advice of the dude masterminding these skis.
KevskiGonna jump in here. 6’0 165 went 181 on the Jeffrey 96 as a park/all mountain ski to be a slightly lighter snappier version of my 186 Kartel 108s for the smaller local hills. While definitely significantly lighter and snappier the 181s feel a bit too short. Even though they run a bit longer than other brands they’re pretty much the same length as my old 181 armada ar6s and have significantly less effective edge due to the rocker. This in my case exaggerated due to an aggressive detune.
I’m legit gonna sell the 181 this spring and size up because I know that the extra length will make them perfect.
Also Scott recommended the 186 for me and I went with the 181 and he was right in the end. Take the advice of the dude masterminding these skis.
No ones gonna type all them facts and not be taken seriously. 186 black and pinks here I come.
I would probably call A Basin my home hill. Depending on the year I bounce between passes. Knees can’t do moguls anymore so it’s usually trees, playing in side stuff, chutes, or charging groomers. In that order.
SkylineGTR_R32Looking to cop some ON3P’s next season. Prob Jeffery/Kartel 96s. I know that they are durable and poppy and playful and yada yada but are there any downsides to them? I guess besides price but that doesn’t bother me.
OP on3p usually will do pretty rad spring sale come March-April. My brother got once mounted demo wrengades 114 for cheap and they were used a handful of times looking at the condition of them.
You could probably find something slightly used for a lot cheaper if your on a budget but still want super rad skis.
50KalOP on3p usually will do pretty rad spring sale come March-April. My brother got once mounted demo wrengades 114 for cheap and they were used a handful of times looking at the condition of them.
You could probably find something slightly used for a lot cheaper if your on a budget but still want super rad skis.
I’m gonna make an offer on some 181 Kartel 96s when my paycheck comes in tonight 😈
cydwhitJust a head's up for the size comparison people in this thread. ON3P generally runs a little longer than most other brands because the length they cite is the pressed tip to tail length, whereas many other folks are using the length of the materials before they're pressed with rocker and splay and such. I've never noticed it on my feet and I don't think it really matters, but if you're splitting hairs with length, it's good to know that a 181 ON3P will usually be a touch longer than like a 181 Line.
Yep, My 181 Kartel and Jeffrey's are the identical length as my 184 Wildcats.
CaptainObvious.This is great to know. The thought of 186 was a little nerve wracking for me because I have a pair of 184 Libertys and I prefer a little less length on my daily drivers. Maybe I'll stick with my gut and go 181 then. I'm planning to go custom so it's a good chunk of change to drop on a longer ski than I normally like.
I'm 5'10, 155 and I'm pretty happy with the stability of the 181 Jeffrey at speed. Have not found a speed that it goes chattery yet, bu the most I have hit is 45mph.
Edit: sorry y'all for posting three comments in a row. It's Friday night.
**This post was edited on Feb 7th 2020 at 11:16:24pm
Foxtrotx1I'm 5'10, 155 and I'm pretty happy with the stability of the 181 Jeffrey at speed. Have not found a speed that it goes chattery yet, bu the most I have hit is 45mph.
If you weighed 40 pounds more would you feel different?
KevskiGonna jump in here. 6’0 165 went 181 on the Jeffrey 96 as a park/all mountain ski to be a slightly lighter snappier version of my 186 Kartel 108s for the smaller local hills. While definitely significantly lighter and snappier the 181s feel a bit too short. Even though they run a bit longer than other brands they’re pretty much the same length as my old 181 armada ar6s and have significantly less effective edge due to the rocker. This in my case exaggerated due to an aggressive detune.
I’m legit gonna sell the 181 this spring and size up because I know that the extra length will make them perfect.
Also Scott recommended the 186 for me and I went with the 181 and he was right in the end. Take the advice of the dude masterminding these skis.
6’2” 165lbs. Same story for me. I have the Kartel 108 in 181cm. Scott told me to get the 186cm but I went with the 181cm. It was a mistake. I LOVE this ski more than anything but ya it’s too short. The rocker is pretty aggressive. Size up if you are on the edge. I would buy this ski again but longer.
My other regret was getting the 108 for a daily driver I should have got the 96 for my daily. I ski northern Idaho and Montana so we get enough snow to justify the 108 but most days I’m left wanting something slimmer in the waist. Honestly I wish ON3P made some narrower skis. If they made some 86mm underfoot kartels/jeffreys I would be all over that.
Scott, care to jump in? Any hope for some narrower skis in the future? Specifically regarding the Jeffery line? Any chance for custom Jeffreys that are narrower?
Maybe it’s just me, but I predict we will start to see a return to narrower skis by a lot of riders for daily drivers out west. 100+ underfoot skis for everyday too are wide imo.
**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2020 at 2:28:37am
DirtyDirtNasty6’2” 165lbs. Same story for me. I have the Kartel 108 in 181cm. Scott told me to get the 186cm but I went with the 181cm. It was a mistake. I LOVE this ski more than anything but ya it’s too short. The rocker is pretty aggressive. Size up if you are on the edge. I would buy this ski again but longer.
My other regret was getting the 108 for a daily driver I should have got the 96 for my daily. I ski northern Idaho and Montana so we get enough snow to justify the 108 but most days I’m left wanting something slimmer in the waist. Honestly I wish ON3P made some narrower skis. If they made some 86mm underfoot kartels/jeffreys I would be all over that.
Scott, care to jump in? Any hope for some narrower skis in the future? Specifically regarding the Jeffery line? Any chance for custom Jeffreys that are narrower?
Maybe it’s just me, but I predict we will start to see a return to narrower skis by a lot of riders for daily drivers out west. 100+ underfoot skis for everyday too are wide imo.
**This post was edited on Feb 8th 2020 at 2:28:37am
Dude 100-110 is fine in the west, you need a ski with less rocker for edge hold my man.
BiffbarfDude 100-110 is fine in the west, you need a ski with less rocker for edge hold my man.
Ya, the 108 has generally been fine. I would still probably prefer the 96 Jeffreys though. But like I said I think the industry is riding a "fat ski wave" that won't last very much longer.
DirtyDirtNastyYa, the 108 has generally been fine. I would still probably prefer the 96 Jeffreys though. But like I said I think the industry is riding a "fat ski wave" that won't last very much longer.
I have the Jeffrey 96 and the 108 kartel, both in 181. I don't notice a serious enough difference to really say the width matters that much for any kind of edge work. Honestly, the skis have almost, if not identical rocker profiles. The side cut is more exaggerated on the 96, so I suppose it's easier to carve in a tighter arc. Sounds like the Woodsman is more what you are looking for.
Scott, please don't beat me if I'm wrong here.
**This post was edited on Feb 10th 2020 at 1:52:24pm
**This post was edited on Feb 10th 2020 at 1:53:19pm
also was gonna add that ON3P's hold a tune so well. my edges stay sharp pretty much all season long with a few minor things done to them. Keep them waxed.
The other skis I am looking at are K2 Poachers and Line Twalls. What would make something like a jeffery 96 or a Magnus 90 worth the price difference as compared to the K2's and Lines
SkylineGTR_R32The other skis I am looking at are K2 Poachers and Line Twalls. What would make something like a jeffery 96 or a Magnus 90 worth the price difference as compared to the K2's and Lines
Gorgeous hand made construction, durable as fuck with thicker edges and bases than any of the euro skis, amazing customer service, and really fun fucking skis. The Jeffrey 96 will put a smile on your face from day 1.
Foxtrotx1Gorgeous hand made construction, durable as fuck with thicker edges and bases than any of the euro skis, amazing customer service, and really fun fucking skis. The Jeffrey 96 will put a smile on your face from day 1.
I’m still trying to find out what kind of skier I am. But basically 80% park, 20% all mountain. I’m an intermediary park skier. Front and backside 270s off, swaps, 3,5,7 with grabs. Looking to get into flippy spins like corks Misty’s and rodeos. Starting to get into nose butter tricks and stuff but I’m a fairly traditional park skier
Bought a pair of wrenegade 96 at end of season sale last year for an cool $500. First off, the top sheets are beautiful and the green bases are so sick. Was planning on using these as my east coast ski and they have now turned into my favorite ski. I don't even use my Armada ARV 106 anymore :/... Albeit the wrens are shorter (179cm) than I woulda typically purchased but I don't really notice the difference; probably because they're true to length and also directional skis mounted at rec.
After skiing Armada ARV 106 on everything for the past 2-3 years and demoing a few other popular skis, I can say without a doubt that these wrens are the best ski I've ever been on. Makes me almost want to get rid of my ARVs and pick up a pair of Jeffrey 108s. The shape took a few runs to get used to but I figured it out quite fast and now they flow effortlessly. Even with the huge rocker profile, these things carve like a dream and I really love boosting from one turn to another on groomers. Feel like a badass. The skis really do want to go fast so don't fight it with a shitty smeared turn....carve it up. The sintered base is wicked fast too- nothing more satisfying than passing everyone hiking a flat runout because your base is faster.
They really shine when the going gets rough. Uneven hard windblown terrain and crud are handled so well with these puppies. Moguls are easily managed and tree skiing has never been so fun. Very easy to pivot in tight spaces. Also even with the heavier weight I, didn't really notice and hop turns are still possible if you ever need to do em. The stiffness and weight really provide a great sense of comfort in sketchy terrain and let you know that the skis will not let you down.
The one area I was cautiously optimistic but also a bit nervous was how they would perform in deeper snow considering the narrower waist. I was fortunate enough to spend a few days at Wolf Creek, aka first tracks for days. Skied upwards of 2ft in certain spots of both fresh snow and heavier, days old snow. I was pleasantly surprised at how well these floated. This was probably the best I've ever skied powder before too- maybe experience or maybe the skis or maybe both. They weren't as surfy as the ARVs but it sure was fun and I have no negative comments for these things in powder. Lord I can only imagine how the wider and longer ON3P skis perform in pow...
Be careful if you ever land switch in these not on groomers. Like a retard I made this mistake on heavy ungroomed snow and the tails dove and I...well...yeah.
I didn't get to test these on any huge cliffs but did get a few 6-8ft drops and they felt sweet in the air and landing. Even when I landed backseat and fucked my toes, the tails didn't wash out on me and I was able to ski away like a giraffe learning to walk (better than wiping out).
Lastly, I don't know if it's durability or luck but I've skied on some shit conditions and made some poor route choices, yet my skis came out looking pristine. Every time I expected a core shot, I was pleasantly surprised to see none. Every time I expected my edges to be fucked, they came out immaculate with merely a scratch if anything. Recently I was at Loveland and took "The Face" to shortcut back to the base area. Conditions were garbage and I probably took the rockiest way down and was truly scared for my skis condition and how fucked they would be, but once again, the skis are immaculate.
Tldr: Great company with impeccable customer service as evidenced on various threads. Skis are solid, ride great, and charge like a mother fucker. Don't debate. The extra $300-400 is 100% worth it. Just do it.
SkylineGTR_R32I’m still trying to find out what kind of skier I am. But basically 80% park, 20% all mountain. I’m an intermediary park skier. Front and backside 270s off, swaps, 3,5,7 with grabs. Looking to get into flippy spins like corks Misty’s and rodeos. Starting to get into nose butter tricks and stuff but I’m a fairly traditional park skier
I have had four pairs of ON3P's and love them for various reasons. However, they are not the end all in skis like many here suggests. So maybe try a pair if you have the funds and find out for yourself.
