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fries
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With more and more talk about climate change in the community, many skiers are cutting out meat/animal products from their diet, even the boss henrik himself has gone veggie to help keep his body in shape for his skiing. (see 6:45)
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/952035/Henrik-Harlaut--BEING---X-Games
According the most comprehensive analysis yet on the food system’s impact on the environment, huge meat reductions are essential in avoiding a climate breakdown. The new research, published in the world’s leading multidisciplinary science journal, Nature, is the most thorough to date and combined data from every country to assess the impact of food production on the global environment. UK and US citizens need to cut beef by 90% and milk by 60% while increasing beans and pulses between four and six times. (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0594-0)

Transitioning towards a plant-based diet could be a nice way to reduce your personal impact. No need to fear, you can get all the protein and nutrients you need from plants. If you have questions, looking for some cheap/quick meals, or just like to bitch at vegans, you've found your place.
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TOAST.
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EdensDemiseIt's factually wrong that there is a way to farm animals that is good for the environment, I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

Think I explained it pretty clearly. Unless you want to make the argument that all farming (including plants) is bad for the environment, which I guess would be a legit argument.
Apr 15 2021 6:28AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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sqeellicbic"Humane slaughter" is an oxymoron. You can't humanely kill a sentient being that doesn't want to die.

Would it be right for your parents to kill you? After all, they literally gave you life and supported you for years (I think, idk your situation but just for the sake of argument). Treating a sentient being kindly/giving it a good life doesn't then make it moral to kill them. Especially for frivolous reasons like cosmetics, leather couches, or tastebuds.


No one is saying “humanely slaughter”, they are saying humanely raised. If the end goal of the animal dying either way, giving them the best life possible is better than not, right?
Apr 15 2021 6:56AM
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deathvalley69
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Charlie_KellyNo one is saying “humanely slaughter”, they are saying humanely raised. If the end goal of the animal dying either way, giving them the best life possible is better than not, right?

Yeah obviously, but you don’t have to kill them either.
Apr 15 2021 7:18AM
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deathvalley69
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TOAST.Think I explained it pretty clearly. Unless you want to make the argument that all farming (including plants) is bad for the environment, which I guess would be a legit argument.

Farming more plants than are necessary is bad for the environment, and that is what animal agriculture requires. You need 16 times the amount of land to get the same amount of calories with animals instead of plants, no exceptions.The animals also produce a huge amount of harmful gases, and the process that makes animal flesh edible by humans is also very harmful. Even if everything is done perfectly, animal agriculture is far less sustainable that plant agriculture.
Apr 15 2021 7:22AM
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TOAST.
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EdensDemiseFarming more plants than are necessary is bad for the environment, and that is what animal agriculture requires. You need 16 times the amount of land to get the same amount of calories with animals instead of plants, no exceptions.The animals also produce a huge amount of harmful gases, and the process that makes animal flesh edible by humans is also very harmful. Even if everything is done perfectly, animal agriculture is far less sustainable that plant agriculture.

Having a heard of cows or goats to graze grasslands on years that an area is not being planted to do crop rotation or whatever can help replenish nutrients in the soil. Obviously the size of this heard would have to be scaled to match the grazing area and they dont necessarily need to be slaughtered. If we compare the current standard of raising cattle, then yes using the corn field to feed humans rather than cows would be a much better use of the land and would provide more food with less emissions/waste, but that's not what I'm saying.
Today or tomorrow I can try to find some good information that conveys what I'm trying to say. In the meantime check out "regenerative farming" practices if you are interested.
Apr 15 2021 12:16PM
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deathvalley69
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TOAST.Having a heard of cows or goats to graze grasslands on years that an area is not being planted to do crop rotation or whatever can help replenish nutrients in the soil. Obviously the size of this heard would have to be scaled to match the grazing area and they dont necessarily need to be slaughtered. If we compare the current standard of raising cattle, then yes using the corn field to feed humans rather than cows would be a much better use of the land and would provide more food with less emissions/waste, but that's not what I'm saying.
Today or tomorrow I can try to find some good information that conveys what I'm trying to say. In the meantime check out "regenerative farming" practices if you are interested.

I'm aware of regenerative farming. Theoretically I think having cows that are cared for, have nothing taken from them, and are generally left alone is completely fine. However that it not what is happening at all, and it never will happen because it wouldn't be profitable. It has nothing to do with the morality or environmental impact of eating meat in our current system.
Apr 15 2021 12:39PM
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sqeellicbic
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Charlie_KellyNo one is saying “humanely slaughter”, they are saying humanely raised. If the end goal of the animal dying either way, giving them the best life possible is better than not, right?


I was responding to woflowz and he said "killed as humainly as possible." And obviously if they're going to be killed I'd prefer the animal to have a better life, but that's not the end goal at all. The end goal is to minimize animal exploitation as much as possible which includes not needlessly killing them for no good reason at all.
Apr 15 2021 4:03PM
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piss.boy
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Question, why do vegans not eat cheese? cows milk naturally anyway so what the harm? I do live in wisco
Apr 16 2021 9:59AM
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deathvalley69
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Piss_BoyQuestion, why do vegans not eat cheese? cows milk naturally anyway so what the harm? I do live in wisco

There are a few reasons. I live in Michigan next door to a dairy farm so it’s totally understandable not to know. The first reason is the treatment in factory farms. Obviously this is a problem, but there are still huge issues with objectively better farms like the local ones in Wisconsin. A cow, like any other animal, only produces milk for its offspring. Female cows are kept perpetually pregnant from bull sperm that was electrically ejaculated. The farmer fits their arm in the female cows anus in order to impregnate them. When the baby is born, it is immediately separated from its mother so it doesn’t drink the milk. The males either are turned into veal or thrown out. The females are kept to be bred. Obviously the cow can only handle being pregnant so many times, so they stop being useful when they are about 5 even though they naturally live to be 25. Every cow is eventually killed early in a slaughterhouse. It is required by law for every cow to be slaughtered because it is the only way the dairy industry can be sustainable. These are all standard practices and happen in all of the most “ethical” farms. I hope that was helpful I’m glad that you want to hear more about these things
Apr 16 2021 10:40AM
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piss.boy
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EdensDemiseThere are a few reasons. I live in Michigan next door to a dairy farm so it’s totally understandable not to know. The first reason is the treatment in factory farms. Obviously this is a problem, but there are still huge issues with objectively better farms like the local ones in Wisconsin. A cow, like any other animal, only produces milk for its offspring. Female cows are kept perpetually pregnant from bull sperm that was electrically ejaculated. The farmer fits their arm in the female cows anus in order to impregnate them. When the baby is born, it is immediately separated from its mother so it doesn’t drink the milk. The males either are turned into veal or thrown out. The females are kept to be bred. Obviously the cow can only handle being pregnant so many times, so they stop being useful when they are about 5 even though they naturally live to be 25. Every cow is eventually killed early in a slaughterhouse. It is required by law for every cow to be slaughtered because it is the only way the dairy industry can be sustainable. These are all standard practices and happen in all of the most “ethical” farms. I hope that was helpful I’m glad that you want to hear more about these things


I am now questioning if that bowl of cereal was worth it
Apr 16 2021 11:08AM
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No.Quarter
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EdensDemiseThe farmer fits their arm in the female cows anus in order to impregnate them.


I would love to hear your explanation for this
Apr 16 2021 11:20AM
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deathvalley69
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No.QuarterI would love to hear your explanation for this

I worded that weird but they put their fist in their anus so that they can’t resist as much when they put the bull semen in their vagina. Obviously the cow doesn’t want to be touched there so they use their anus to make them unable to move. This is the only way cows are bred so don’t say it doesn’t happen
Apr 16 2021 11:26AM
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deathvalley69
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Piss_BoyI am now questioning if that bowl of cereal was worth it


Great that the first step to making a change
Apr 16 2021 11:27AM
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piss.boy
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EdensDemiseGreat that the first step to making a change


Not saying I never would but how much of a difference would one person being vegan make? Im so curious about this now
Apr 16 2021 11:30AM
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deathvalley69
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Piss_BoyNot saying I never would but how much of a difference would one person being vegan make? Im so curious about this now

You can’t make everybody go vegan, but I think any life you can save makes a difference and is worth it. Plus you can try to convince other people and your family and close friends will naturally eat less animals being around you. If you go vegan now at age 15 or whatever that adds up to literally thousands of lives over time. If you’re really interested in it look into the practices in other animal industries, they’re just as bad as dairy.
Apr 16 2021 11:44AM
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deathvalley69
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Yo idk who’s downvoting everything but all the stuff I just said is literally fucking facts
Apr 16 2021 11:49AM
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sqeellicbic
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EdensDemiseYo idk who’s downvoting everything but all the stuff I just said is literally fucking facts


they downvote but can't argue against it, typical ns
Apr 16 2021 12:22PM
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b00mSkis
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EdensDemiseYo idk who’s downvoting everything but all the stuff I just said is literally fucking facts

probably cause they are fat and jealous that you are vegan so probably not as fat as them.
Apr 16 2021 12:24PM
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No.Quarter
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b00mSkisprobably cause they are fat and jealous that you are vegan so probably not as fat as them.


Can confirm, am a skinny plant boy. I was skinny before I stopped eating meat every day, but I'm also skinny now.
Apr 16 2021 1:23PM
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deathvalley69
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Just realized how much karma I've lost in this thread lmao
Apr 16 2021 3:22PM
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deathvalley69
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Earth Day bump
Apr 22 2021 6:16AM
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deathvalley69
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I finally watched Dominion. If you watch the whole documentary and don't go vegan, you're a psychopath.https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1002396/Dominion--2018----full-documentary--Official-
Apr 28 2021 10:37PM
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b00mSkis
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EdensDemiseEarth Day bump


is it true that being a vegan is good for the earth?
Apr 30 2021 9:54PM
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deathvalley69
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b00mSkisis it true that being a vegan is good for the earth?


Yes absolutely. Animal agriculture is the biggest cause of every major environmental problem.
Apr 30 2021 9:56PM
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elcheapo
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b00mSkisis it true that being a vegan is good for the earth?


Probably but alot of land is agriculture but growing your own is taking it to another level
May 1 2021 10:54AM
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deathvalley69
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Any recommendations for vegan ski socks and mittens?
May 7 2021 8:55PM
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dolanslebensraum
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DolansLebensraumI try to think of the animal that died to become my hamburger. Then i thank hamburg germany for inventing the hamburger


No.QuarterI know you are just trying to be a fucking stupid troll but being thankful for the life of the animal that died for a human consumption is an important part of ethical meat consumption. For example hunting for food and not sport, or the cultural practices and ceremony surrounding hunting done by indigenous peoples.

Youre an asshole for thinking i wasnt being genuine here. I do think about the animal. I know it doesnt change anything, but if my whole life purpose was to get slaughtered and become meat for another person, i would feel alot better if the person who ate me was at least for a small moment, thinking about my existence.


EdensDemiseRecognizing that your food comes from an animal is extremely important, but thinking about the animal doesn’t give back the life that was stolen from them. Your thoughts don’t mean shit unless your actions align with them, and there’s no such thing as ethical murder. I know you’re mostly plant based and I’m not trying to go after you, I’m just saying that people need to do a lot more than just think about the animals.

Alot of life is letting go of the things you used to think mattered.



in the grand scheme of things, nothing is important.
May 7 2021 10:23PM
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vibecheck
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so do you lot support soy farming then
May 7 2021 11:11PM
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WoFlowz
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EdensDemiseAny recommendations for vegan ski socks and mittens?


Wait till this dude finds out people wear kangaroo leather shoes
May 7 2021 11:19PM
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deathvalley69
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DolansLebensraumYoure an asshole for thinking i wasnt being genuine here. I do think about the animal. I know it doesnt change anything, but if my whole life purpose was to get slaughtered and become meat for another person, i would feel alot better if the person who ate me was at least for a small moment, thinking about my existence.



Alot of life is letting go of the things you used to think mattered.



in the grand scheme of things, nothing is important.


Again, thinking about the animal does not matter if you're still killing them. If I murdered you, is everything forgiven if I sent your family flowers and an I'm sorry card?

Preventing the completely needless murder of innocent beings is important and it does have a direct impact on the world. Any life saved is worth it, and veganism will continue to grow exponentially.

Also you just made a thread about protecting rabbits so you're a complete hypocrite and obviously didn't think much about this
May 7 2021 11:19PM
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deathvalley69
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WoFlowzWait till this dude finds out people wear kangaroo leather shoes


I'm aware although I don't think it's any worse than wearing a murdered sheep or cow
May 7 2021 11:20PM
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deathvalley69
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vibecheckso do you lot support soy farming then


Yes, as long as it isn't destroying the rainforest. You do too because 80% of it is fed to enslaved animals. Soy is one of the most versatile foods, and it actually has a lot of health benefits despite the lies the meat and dairy industries will tell you.
May 7 2021 11:30PM
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WoFlowz
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EdensDemiseYes, as long as it isn't destroying the rainforest. You do too because 80% of it is fed to enslaved animals. Soy is one of the most versatile foods, and it actually has a lot of health benefits despite the lies the meat and dairy industries will tell you.


Sorry man Soy milks good and all but imma stick with cow pus for now
May 7 2021 11:31PM
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sqeellicbic
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vibecheckso do you lot support soy farming then


Soy farming is undoubtedly bad for the environment. But only 15% of soy is used for human consumption and the rest of it is used for animals. All the environmental damage you see as a result of soy can be greatly reduced in a vegan world.

https://www.tabledebates.org/building-blocks/soy-food-feed-and-land-use-change#SOYBB3
May 8 2021 2:08PM
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deathvalley69
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EdensDemiseAny recommendations for vegan ski socks and mittens?


This was an actual question btw what are you guys wearing
May 8 2021 9:47PM
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b00mSkis
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EdensDemiseAny recommendations for vegan ski socks and mittens?


darn tough makes some ski socks that are not wool and some socks that are wool, you can get the ones that are not wool!
Jun 12 2021 10:00PM
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deathvalley69
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b00mSkisdarn tough makes some ski socks that are not wool and some socks that are wool, you can get the ones that are not wool!


Ok thanks I'll look at those
Jun 12 2021 10:32PM
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deathvalley69
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Israel is doing something good for once and they were the first country to ban fur sales today
Jun 12 2021 10:33PM
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deathvalley69
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The Onaqui horses in Utah are being rounded up by helicopter and removed from their natural habitat to make more space for cattle farming, pretty fucked up
Jul 17 2021 11:20PM
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WoFlowz
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EdensDemiseThe Onaqui horses in Utah are being rounded up by helicopter and removed from their natural habitat to make more space for cattle farming, pretty fucked up


hey moron horses aren't native to North america
Jul 18 2021 11:12PM
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asparagus
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WoFlowzhey moron horses aren't native to North america


Neither are cows, they both shouldn’t be there
Jul 18 2021 11:26PM
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deathvalley69
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WoFlowzhey moron horses aren't native to North america


Hey moron the Onaqui horses are wild animals that are evolved completely differently that other horses
Either way they've been there for a long time and humans have no excuse to remove them from that habitat, especially not for animal farming
Jul 18 2021 11:33PM
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deathvalley69
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asparagusNeither are cows, they both shouldn’t be there


Are you vegan just curious
Jul 18 2021 11:34PM
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asparagus
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EdensDemiseAre you vegan just curious


no
Jul 18 2021 11:37PM
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elcheapo
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WoFlowzhey moron horses aren't native to North america

Buffalo are native and they are delish.
Jul 19 2021 2:05AM
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b00mSkis
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deathvalley69The Onaqui horses in Utah are being rounded up by helicopter and removed from their natural habitat to make more space for cattle farming, pretty fucked up


thats fucked
Jan 8 2022 3:41AM
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Angioedema
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270on420out“Healthy” is a pretty loaded word so for the sake of argument, post the studies. I will legitimately read studies that would prove me wrong.


https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81157840?s=i&trkid=13747225&vlang=en&clip=81195225


here’s all the studies, even wrapped in a nice show
Jan 9 2022 2:14AM
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Angioedema
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Meat is a carcinogen, but then again most kids these days be chuffing the vapes like o2 tanks deep sea diving.
Jan 9 2022 2:22AM
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corona
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sqeellicbicJust putting this in this thread for reference. I was astonished when I first saw this. It's crazy how inefficient and wasteful animal agriculture is



One point that's often lost when talking about land use is the ecological potential of the various agricultural practices. A majority (probably a vast majority) of what's included as 'land for raising livestock' is rangeland and pasture that is actually quite ecologically productive. Compare to annual row crops which are ecological deserts. There's actually a recent push by environmental groups against agricultural intensification (ie converting pasture and forage to row crops like soy and corn). From a conservation perspective, rangeland used for cow production is about the best use of lands that were once prairie with wild bison (other than actually leaving it alone and reintroducing bison).
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