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Skiing with edges underfoot sucks

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weastcoat
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I’ve been skiing without edge underfoot for the last half of last season and all of this season so far. Just got new skis and gave them a little detune as well, these mofos stick on everything. I forgot how normal skis are supposed to slide rails though.

In the time of me not having edge underfoot, never have I once stuck to a rail, better yet, never slid it as if it was not just oiled up with some kind of lubricant.

y’all complain about losing edge underfoot, but damn, makes the ski so much better in the park.

armada, you makin some good moves w that bdog edgeless
Jan 19 2020 12:31AM
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Trifes
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and what if you're hitting jumps with quite the packed almost icey take off and landings ?
Jan 19 2020 4:53AM
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armchair_skier
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Why can't we have a ski with no underfoot edge, but edge everywhere else?
Jan 19 2020 8:39AM
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Pipe_Munky
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armchair_skierWhy can't we have a ski with no underfoot edge, but edge everywhere else?


it was made by rossignol and it was called the powair grind. this was about 15 years ago...
Jan 19 2020 9:56AM
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Rparr
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armchair_skierWhy can't we have a ski with no underfoot edge, but edge everywhere else?


you would love the on3p mags. They come factory detuned underfoot so they feel great on rails straight out of the box.
Jan 19 2020 9:58AM
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SkiBum.
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Pipe_Munkyit was made by rossignol and it was called the powair grind. this was about 15 years ago...


Oh man it might have been 20 years ago. The soap shoes of skiing. So bad but so good.
Jan 19 2020 10:50AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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You know the B dogs exist right?
Jan 19 2020 11:01AM
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J_Christoph
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Pipe_Munkyit was made by rossignol and it was called the powair grind. this was about 15 years ago...


Jan 19 2020 11:15AM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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trifonitchevand what if you're hitting jumps with quite the packed almost icey take off and landings ?


straight air type beat
Jan 19 2020 1:51PM
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270on420out
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trifonitchevand what if you're hitting jumps with quite the packed almost icey take off and landings ?

It’s not like you’re doing GS carves off of park jumps. You just need a little bit of edge engagement
Jan 19 2020 6:26PM
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TOAST.
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Straight base on rails with no edge can be slow/sticky as fuck sometimes. Imo edges stick less.
Jan 19 2020 7:45PM
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danbrown
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Rparryou would love the on3p mags. They come factory detuned underfoot so they feel great on rails straight out of the box.


pretty much every park ski since 2005 has come factory detuned
Jan 19 2020 10:20PM
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weastcoat
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danbrownpretty much every park ski since 2005 has come factory detuned


Okay. Give some examples then.
Jan 19 2020 10:42PM
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Rparr
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danbrownpretty much every park ski since 2005 has come factory detuned


Not like the mags, they go to town on those babies and the edge underfoot is smoother than anything I’ve managed to achiever with a file myself
Jan 19 2020 11:14PM
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Trifes
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DIRTYBUBBLEIt’s not like you’re doing GS carves off of park jumps. You just need a little bit of edge engagement


Well I do 😄 if you don’t have edges at our resorts during this months you can stay at home (if your trying to hit jumps)
Jan 20 2020 1:44AM
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armchair_skier
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trifonitchevand what if you're hitting jumps with quite the packed almost icey take off and landings ?


What if I only ride jumps when its slushy or after new snow?
Jan 20 2020 7:40AM
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Trifes
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armchair_skierWhat if I only ride jumps when its slushy or after new snow?


then you're definitely making the right decisions haha
Jan 20 2020 9:27AM
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freeskibum82
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OP cant ski. Effective use of edges is important and having a slight detune underfoot while still having bite when needed is important. Check out dominator's 5hr tune of a brand new pair of park skis and you'll see what i mean.
Jan 20 2020 10:07AM
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danbrown
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weastcoastOkay. Give some examples then.


https://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/armada-t-hall-tanner-2006

14 years ago: Armada has also thickened and detuned the edges of the T-Hall so they are more durable the ready to ride
Jan 20 2020 11:40AM
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iced
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a_pla5tic_bagYou know the B dogs exist right?


yeah and we know you didn't bother to read the full post
Jan 20 2020 11:44AM
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weastcoat
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danbrownhttps://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/armada-t-hall-tanner-2006

14 years ago: Armada has also thickened and detuned the edges of the T-Hall so they are more durable the ready to ride


Never heard they did that one. But also ON3P gives the option of a detune for their skis. Other than that I know nothing of any other brands shipping their skis with a detune.
Jan 20 2020 8:59PM
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weastcoat
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trifonitchevWell I do 😄 if you don’t have edges at our resorts during this months you can stay at home (if your trying to hit jumps)


Literally I don’t even have a solid sidewall left on my skis, it’s warped way up and out almost half an inch and I have no base left there either, it’s just wood core showing and I can still carve off jumps just fine

along with making some basic turns on anything that’s not a solid sheet of ice. in slush I can’t notice the difference in turning between a normal park ski with edges and my old beater skis with a fucked up underfoot.
Jan 20 2020 9:03PM
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weastcoat
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freeskibum82OP cant ski. Effective use of edges is important and having a slight detune underfoot while still having bite when needed is important. Check out dominator's 5hr tune of a brand new pair of park skis and you'll see what i mean.

I can ski fine with or without edges, but I just like never having a rail stick to my skis, ever.

I just enjoy sliding rails more than laying some hard turns down blues and blacks all day
Jan 20 2020 9:07PM
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fries
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weastcoastLiterally I don’t even have a solid sidewall left on my skis, it’s warped way up and out almost half an inch and I have no base left there either, it’s just wood core showing and I can still carve off jumps just fine

along with making some basic turns on anything that’s not a solid sheet of ice. in slush I can’t notice the difference in turning between a normal park ski with edges and my old beater skis with a fucked up underfoot.


I want pics, this sounds incredible
Jan 20 2020 9:23PM
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weastcoat
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friesI want pics, this sounds incredible














I bought these skis used for 50 bucks and they’ve gotten me this far thru the season so far, and they still work.

i will use them until they physically can’t hold binding screws anymore.
Jan 20 2020 10:47PM
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ColoradoDogfart
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Op you just bought yourself a 50$ acl tear. At least epoxy or ptex the wood so they don’t fucking rot. Jesus fuck how the hell is that even possible
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I bought these skis used for 50 bucks and they’ve gotten me this far thru the season so far, and they still work.

i will use them until they physically can’t hold binding screws anymore.
Jan 20 2020 11:01PM
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weastcoat
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ColoradoDogfartOp you just bought yourself a 50$ acl tear. At least epoxy or ptex the wood so they don’t fucking rot. Jesus fuck how the hell is that even possible


I did epoxy the wood it’s just hard to see in the pics. It just wears off though within a couple runs since it’s in direct contact with the snow/rail.
Jan 20 2020 11:20PM
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Trifes
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weastcoast











I bought these skis used for 50 bucks and they’ve gotten me this far thru the season so far, and they still work.

i will use them until they physically can’t hold binding screws anymore.


This is rough ! But common let’s be honest if you don’t notice a difference between this messed up ski and a new ski with fine edges , well then set me up with the meds you’re having access too 😄😄
Jan 21 2020 3:47AM
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TOAST.
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weastcoastI did epoxy the wood it’s just hard to see in the pics. It just wears off though within a couple runs since it’s in direct contact with the snow/rail.


Good for you for using your skis until they are completely dead. Too many people give up on their skis after the slightest things imo. Those look like every park ski I have ever owned after about a season and a half and can usually get another 1.5 seasons out of them. Try g flex epoxy I have found that it holds up remarkably even with direct rail contact although at this point epoxy probably won't do much for you.
Jan 21 2020 6:58AM
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armchair_skier
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weastcoast











I bought these skis used for 50 bucks and they’ve gotten me this far thru the season so far, and they still work.

i will use them until they physically can’t hold binding screws anymore.


I like where this is going. I want to see how much longer skis this fucked can last.
Jan 21 2020 11:00AM
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weastcoat
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TOAST.Good for you for using your skis until they are completely dead. Too many people give up on their skis after the slightest things imo. Those look like every park ski I have ever owned after about a season and a half and can usually get another 1.5 seasons out of them. Try g flex epoxy I have found that it holds up remarkably even with direct rail contact although at this point epoxy probably won't do much for you.

That’s the stuff I use. Works really well actually. That little gap between the wood and the sidewall you see is actually filled with g flex.

I have other skis that I’ve used that on where there is missing edge and it made such a perfect seal between base and sidewall and skied it hard for months, the shit would literally wear down before it would physically break apart and fall out of the gap. Strong stuff.
Jan 21 2020 11:41AM
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weastcoat
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trifonitchevThis is rough ! But common let’s be honest if you don’t notice a difference between this messed up ski and a new ski with fine edges , well then set me up with the meds you’re having access too 😄😄

I said in slush. Everything else is very noticeable lol
Jan 21 2020 11:46AM
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Jems
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Rparryou would love the on3p mags. They come factory detuned underfoot so they feel great on rails straight out of the box.


I’ve lost just about all my underfoot edge with the mags after 1 1/2 seasons, they come detuned then lose their edges real quick.
Jan 21 2020 12:36PM
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parkerblu
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lol, my brothers ski looks just like that
Jan 21 2020 1:12PM
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weastcoat
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Update everyone I had to take the bindings off these bad boys because the wood core was literally breaking down behind my binding and I wasn’t tryna get hurt on a fall when the ski finally gave out or the binding ripped out
Mar 21 2020 11:53PM
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dolanslebensraum
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J_Christoph


BAN THIS SICK FILTH
Mar 22 2020 3:22AM
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little1337
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DolanReloadedBAN THIS SICK FILTH


Stop trying to make Ban this sick filth happen
It's not going to happen

Mar 22 2020 11:11AM
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e.littt
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armchair_skierWhy can't we have a ski with no underfoot edge, but edge everywhere else?


I saw a custom pair on on3p's on someone's insta story with exactly this, I think it was @ez_living if you wanted to ask for pics
Mar 22 2020 2:15PM
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amcbla
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Pow air grinds were 2002
Pipe_Munkyit was made by rossignol and it was called the powair grind. this was about 15 years ago...
Oct 13 2021 6:13AM
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hoodratz47
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What a beautiful story this all was
Oct 13 2021 8:50AM
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BrandoComando
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The Moment Frankenski was edgeless underfoot for a while. If you can somehow find your hands on a '13-14 pair, you could try something a little more modern than the pow air grinds


Oct 13 2021 12:21PM
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tutipups
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dont bring an old thread back
Oct 13 2021 12:40PM
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hoodratz47
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Who died and made you god??
tutipupsdont bring an old thread back
Oct 13 2021 3:38PM
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JLej
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weastcoast











I bought these skis used for 50 bucks and they’ve gotten me this far thru the season so far, and they still work.

i will use them until they physically can’t hold binding screws anymore.


I would rather have somebody send me Goatse than this shit
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