Help me stop making excuses for myself

It's really not about the skis, it's about the skier. You may notice your skis to be slightly heavier but it's all just head game when it comes down to throwing tricks. My first setup was a pair of crappy 150cm k2 kids park skis with back mounted demo bindings. I remember thinking that everything would be so much easier the moment I upgraded to an actual setup which wasn't so bulky. I was wrong.

on3p's are on the heavier side, but the differences are not so much that they would remove your ability to do these tricks. If you feel like you're having a hard time taking control of your skis in the air, you may need to re-evaluate your form. I'm not sure what kind of tricks you are talking about, but I'll try to offer an example. If you were throwing 360s with only your upper body, twisting your shoulders really hard but leaving the hips behind, it would be easy to say "my skis aren't turning, they're too heavy".

After form, what it comes down to is just your own muscle. Theres a chance you just might need to hit the gym. Speaking from experience here, knowing that the change in my ski weight has always been insignificant compared to how much muscle I had on my legs at the time. I'm certainly not the master of this either though, I mostly refuse to workout unless it's a byproduct of something fun (skiing).

I've recently gone from skiing jskis whipits (1780g) to on3p magnus (2000g). Yes, ON3P's are beefier skis and they weigh slightly more. But it's insignificant. For perspective, the added weight is equivalent to 2 medium bananas. Are 2 bananas going to stop me from 360s? Nope.

BGs are gonna suck balls to spin Op

Do you even lift bro?

Buy full tilts

friesIt's really not about the skis, it's about the skier. You may notice your skis to be slightly heavier but it's all just head game when it comes down to throwing tricks. My first setup was a pair of crappy 150cm k2 kids park skis with back mounted demo bindings. I remember thinking that everything would be so much easier the moment I upgraded to an actual setup which wasn't so bulky. I was wrong.

on3p's are on the heavier side, but the differences are not so much that they would remove your ability to do these tricks. If you feel like you're having a hard time taking control of your skis in the air, you may need to re-evaluate your form. I'm not sure what kind of tricks you are talking about, but I'll try to offer an example. If you were throwing 360s with only your upper body, twisting your shoulders really hard but leaving the hips behind, it would be easy to say "my skis aren't turning, they're too heavy".

After form, what it comes down to is just your own muscle. Theres a chance you just might need to hit the gym. Speaking from experience here, knowing that the change in my ski weight has always been insignificant compared to how much muscle I had on my legs at the time. I'm certainly not the master of this either though, I mostly refuse to workout unless it's a byproduct of something fun (skiing).

I've recently gone from skiing jskis whipits (1780g) to on3p magnus (2000g). Yes, ON3P's are beefier skis and they weigh slightly more. But it's insignificant. For perspective, the added weight is equivalent to 2 medium bananas. Are 2 bananas going to stop me from 360s? Nope.

2 bananas! That’s bananas

thoweI've skied nearly all my life, but for some reason have only started trying to throw tricks for the past year or two. I mainly ride 184 Billy Goat's with Attack 13's, which are great for pointing em straight down the often crappy snow we get here in WA, but they are on the heavier side. I feel like I have problems with throwing spins, shifty's, or flips with them because in my mind they are too heavy to do so (or at least heavy for someone learning these things). Can someone tell me that I'm wrong? Or if they are heavy, any tips?

I bet most people in this thread haven’t ridden the BGs, they’re a unique ski and have to be skied a certain way.

It took me a while to get used to them in the air. honestly, just continue to drive the tips as much as you can. The mount point def makes them feel a bit different than a regular freestyle ski. Especially off jumps make sure you have sufficient shin pressure. For me it was never the weight, but the mount point of the ski. I’m rocking the 189s with sth2 16s.



start with shifties to find your balance point in the air. Shin pressure. Pop. Massive shifty. bring it back. Stomp. That’s what I love about the goats. They flipping STOMP.


as for spins just keep working on finding that pop/balance point and not getting backseat.


flips- I just tell myself the long rocker makes the ski a lot shorter and that I totally got this. Commit, huck, stomp.

Now, go out and enjoy crushing everything on BGs.

**This post was edited on Jan 6th 2020 at 10:34:32am

friesFor perspective, the added weight is equivalent to 2 medium bananas. Are 2 bananas going to stop me from 360s? Nope.

haha this is perfect, we all need this reminder sometimes

so yeah OP the weight isn't a huge deal, the biggest concern is the weight distribution. being more traditional directional skis, the BGs are going to be less centered in their stance

so you will notice a difference and no those aren't ideal to learn tricks on but then again, are you planning to get into the park? or do these tricks in the terrain that you usually ski? if you're getting into park skiing, okay maybe you should get some cheap park skis. but if the whole point of learning these tricks is to do them in the lines that you're ripping your BGs on, well then what's the point of switching to something else?

SofaKingSickso yeah OP the weight isn't a huge deal, the biggest concern is the weight distribution. being more traditional directional skis, the BGs are going to be less centered in their stance

so you will notice a difference and no those aren't ideal to learn tricks on but then again, are you planning to get into the park? or do these tricks in the terrain that you usually ski? if you're getting into park skiing, okay maybe you should get some cheap park skis. but if the whole point of learning these tricks is to do them in the lines that you're ripping your BGs on, well then what's the point of switching to something else?

Yeah I have never really skied park, and don’t have much inclination to do so. I’m more trying to learn a few fun tricks to toss off natural features ripping bigger lines in the BC or just fcking around off side hits on the groomers.

shin-bangI bet most people in this thread haven’t ridden the BGs, they’re a unique ski and have to be skied a certain way.

It took me a while to get used to them in the air. honestly, just continue to drive the tips as much as you can. The mount point def makes them feel a bit different than a regular freestyle ski. Especially off jumps make sure you have sufficient shin pressure. For me it was never the weight, but the mount point of the ski. I’m rocking the 189s with sth2 16s.



start with shifties to find your balance point in the air. Shin pressure. Pop. Massive shifty. bring it back. Stomp. That’s what I love about the goats. They flipping STOMP.


as for spins just keep working on finding that pop/balance point and not getting backseat.


flips- I just tell myself the long rocker makes the ski a lot shorter and that I totally got this. Commit, huck, stomp.

Now, go out and enjoy crushing everything on BGs.

**This post was edited on Jan 6th 2020 at 10:34:32am

They definitely feel a lot more “chargy” than any of my other skis i’ve owned. They stomp for sure and really know how to go fast, but you have a good point with the mount point. That is probably part of what is throwing me off. Thanks for the tip on shin pressure.

thoweYeah I have never really skied park, and don’t have much inclination to do so. I’m more trying to learn a few fun tricks to toss off natural features ripping bigger lines in the BC or just fcking around off side hits on the groomers.

yeah man so in that case, stay on what you're riding. you're gonna incorporate this stuff into your normal ripping, not shred, go switch skis, throw something off a lip, then switch back to your charging skis haha. just learn em on those and keep ripping!

friesIt's really not about the skis, it's about the skier. You may notice your skis to be slightly heavier but it's all just head game when it comes down to throwing tricks. My first setup was a pair of crappy 150cm k2 kids park skis with back mounted demo bindings. I remember thinking that everything would be so much easier the moment I upgraded to an actual setup which wasn't so bulky. I was wrong.

on3p's are on the heavier side, but the differences are not so much that they would remove your ability to do these tricks. If you feel like you're having a hard time taking control of your skis in the air, you may need to re-evaluate your form. I'm not sure what kind of tricks you are talking about, but I'll try to offer an example. If you were throwing 360s with only your upper body, twisting your shoulders really hard but leaving the hips behind, it would be easy to say "my skis aren't turning, they're too heavy".

After form, what it comes down to is just your own muscle. Theres a chance you just might need to hit the gym. Speaking from experience here, knowing that the change in my ski weight has always been insignificant compared to how much muscle I had on my legs at the time. I'm certainly not the master of this either though, I mostly refuse to workout unless it's a byproduct of something fun (skiing).

I've recently gone from skiing jskis whipits (1780g) to on3p magnus (2000g). Yes, ON3P's are beefier skis and they weigh slightly more. But it's insignificant. For perspective, the added weight is equivalent to 2 medium bananas. Are 2 bananas going to stop me from 360s? Nope.

That’s a really good point with the bananas. And I actually work out a pretty good amount, usually 5 days a week in the gym. I think it’s more mental weakness than physical for me. I’ll just work on my form and muscle things a bit more.

Get a pair of park skis so you're all out of excuses

big brain

TRVP_ANGELGet a pair of park skis so you're all out of excuses

big brain

yeahhh but i’ve been putting together my climbing gear kit so all my $$ is going to that

I was scared to do spins on my dynafit hokkaidos until i started doing sideplanks and wall sits everyday.

thoweyeahhh but i’ve been putting together my climbing gear kit so all my $$ is going to that

Seem to be keen on continuous excuses

park ski will only multiply your excuse making