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Texas Church Shooting - 2 dead, gunman gets dropped by law-abiding citizens

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TRVP_ANGEL
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edit: removed the video link, here's news article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50942664

How high IQ does the gunman have to be to try to pull this shit off in a state where you can own guns

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Dec 30 2019 1:53AM
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Chubz.
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It sucks that this happened again, in a place of worship...again...

but if anything, hopefully this shows that at least having people with concealed/open carries and knowledge of how to use a firearm can end a situation before it becomes a mass tragedy.

I believe only 2 people were killed? One being the man shot in the beginning and the shooter?

i watched the video on twitter and don’t really feel like watching it again. But the situation goes from 0-100 back to 0 really fast, which is astonishing.
Dec 30 2019 2:08AM
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TRVP_ANGELedit: removed the video link, here's news article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50942664

How high IQ does the gunman have to be to try to pull this shit off in a state where you can own guns

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I mean some dude did it last year in a church in Texas and almost killed 30 people. Sitting ducks in places that ban guns. Thankfully someone was carrying this time
Dec 30 2019 3:59AM
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I wish I was in a state where I could open carry. I’d walk into maccas with an LMT AR15 slung round my back and a glock strapped to me with a multi cam safari land holster.
Dec 30 2019 4:18AM
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WoFIowz
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Chubz.It sucks that this happened again, in a place of worship...again...

but if anything, hopefully this shows that at least having people with concealed/open carries and knowledge of how to use a firearm can end a situation before it becomes a mass tragedy.

I believe only 2 people were killed? One being the man shot in the beginning and the shooter?

i watched the video on twitter and don’t really feel like watching it again. But the situation goes from 0-100 back to 0 really fast, which is astonishing.

Holy fuck! Half the church was fucking armed. It looks like the first guy who got shot was trying to draw.

Sad situation but coulda been a lot worse. Half the people just froze and didn't even move.
Dec 30 2019 4:23AM
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ghoti_hook
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What else would you expect in a town called “White Settlement”?
Dec 30 2019 9:43AM
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Lonely
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No one should feel unsafe in a school, church or anywhere like that. I think CPL is the solution as demonstrated here.

I heard an interesting take on how to protect places like this recently on a podcast. When people are in one of the places mentioned above they become an easy target for the scum of humanity. In most of the shootings planning is involved to some extent. He used a school for example. If we put armed guards around the school they will get shot first, or they will just run away as has been the case in the past. If no one is armed it is still a target. He proposed allowing any teacher or faculty member to conceal carry after a long vetting and training process. That eliminates the aspect of planning for the scumbag who wants to shoot up one of these places. They will have no idea who will have a gun and as seen in this situation their plans to terrorize and kill get cut short quickly. No one could have a firearm or everyone could. It acts as a deterrent and if it ever came to the point that a teacher needed to defend the students they would be prepared.

I'm not sure if this is the right path, but it's something I hadn't thought of before. Its terrible that we live in a time period where this even has to be considered. I'm not trying to make this political or start a huge debate, but something needs to be done.
Dec 30 2019 10:51AM
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skierman
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How low IQ are the American people to think this is the best we can do? "Derp he only managed to kill a few peoples this time! See more gunz is more safe! We just need more gunz!"

Let's just ignore the fact that we've seen the highest number of mass shootings this past year at over 400 incidents. Yup, nothin to see here, this single story is proof we don't have a problem with guns. Yup.
Dec 30 2019 10:54AM
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Dylan_
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skiermanHow low IQ are the American people to think this is the best we can do? "Derp he only managed to kill a few peoples this time! See more gunz is more safe! We just need more gunz!"

Let's just ignore the fact that we've seen the highest number of mass shootings this past year at over 400 incidents. Yup, nothin to see here, this single story is proof we don't have a problem with guns. Yup.


Shut the fuck up for once.

We don't have a gun problem in America, we have a mental health problem. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Gun control is like the war on drugs- it doesn't fucking work. Criminals will be criminals. We have a heroin epidemic in America too but what do we do? Give the drug addicts pharmaceuticals and call it good and call addiction a disease, when in fact, ITS A CHOICE.

Again, a gun cannot kill someone without an individual behind it.

This time the shooting was done with a shotgun. Are we banning those next? GOD DAMN ASSAULT AR15 SHOTGUNS AND THEIR HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES! You fucking liberals crack me up.

If we strip the 2A should we strip 1A too and all of our other RIGHTS?
Dec 30 2019 11:24AM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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Homie only had enough VATS AP for one shot, he said:

Dec 30 2019 11:41AM
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CLQ
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Dylan_Shut the fuck up for once.

We don't have a gun problem in America, we have a mental health problem. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Gun control is like the war on drugs- it doesn't fucking work. Criminals will be criminals. We have a heroin epidemic in America too but what do we do? Give the drug addicts pharmaceuticals and call it good and call addiction a disease, when in fact, ITS A CHOICE.

Again, a gun cannot kill someone without an individual behind it.

This time the shooting was done with a shotgun. Are we banning those next? GOD DAMN ASSAULT AR15 SHOTGUNS AND THEIR HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES! You fucking liberals crack me up.

If we strip the 2A should we strip 1A too and all of our other RIGHTS?


Gun control has worked in every other developed country in the world and they all face the same problems as the US in terms of mental health.
Dec 30 2019 12:11PM
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CLQ
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How come all these mass shootings are done by white people?
Dec 30 2019 12:13PM
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WoFIowz
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CLQHow come all these mass shootings are done by white people?


Because no one cares to report for weeks on end when 12 gang members get shot. In reality gang related gun violence is a much worse problem but the media reports on what sells. Panic and fear.
Dec 30 2019 12:19PM
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CLQ
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BST_PoliceBecause no one cares to report for weeks on end when 12 gang members get shot. In reality gang related gun violence is a much worse problem but the media reports on what sells. Panic and fear.


Well gang violence make sense since, for the most part, they are only killing each other and not a bunch of innocent people.
Dec 30 2019 12:22PM
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Dylan_
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CLQGun control has worked in every other developed country in the world and they all face the same problems as the US in terms of mental health.


Again, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Dec 30 2019 1:06PM
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Dylan_
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CLQGun control has worked in every other developed country in the world and they all face the same problems as the US in terms of mental health.


Let me guess, criminals don't exist in these countries? Fear sells, not gang violence.
Dec 30 2019 1:07PM
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CLQ
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Dylan_Let me guess, criminals don't exist in these countries?


So you agree with me? Mass shootings are rare in other developed countries unlike the US and its not from lack of criminals.
Dec 30 2019 1:16PM
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Dylan_
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CLQSo you agree with me? Mass shootings are rare in other developed countries unlike the US and its not from lack of criminals.


China has gun control, correct? Yet they have more gun deaths than America. Yep, gun control works. Moron.
Dec 30 2019 1:26PM
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Dylan_China has gun control, correct? Yet they have more gun deaths than America. Yep, gun control works. Moron.


Let's not forget about Russia having more gun deaths than America with their strict gun control laws! Again, moron.
Dec 30 2019 1:27PM
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Dylan_
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CLQSo you agree with me? Mass shootings are rare in other developed countries unlike the US and its not from lack of criminals.


Stop comparing the united states gun violence to countries with terribly small populations. China and Russia are great examples on countries that have strict gun laws but more deaths by guns than America, MORON.
Dec 30 2019 1:31PM
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eheath
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Dylan_China has gun control, correct? Yet they have more gun deaths than America. Yep, gun control works. Moron.



Dec 30 2019 1:45PM
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eheath


https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/china.php
Dec 30 2019 1:54PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Yeah, gang related gun violence is seriously under reported, but whatever gets the news clicks. I think we should just have far more strenuous background checks and security features in place like Japan. The biggest problem is that the gun lobby has such a huge amount of pull in our politics and it is a very large economy. In addition, we have so many guns in the US already that implementing these regulations would be very difficult and likely ineffective at first, and perhaps in the long run.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/behold-the-four-month-process-of-buying-a-gun-in-japan/2017/10/05/72283fea-2375-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html
BST_PoliceBecause no one cares to report for weeks on end when 12 gang members get shot. In reality gang related gun violence is a much worse problem but the media reports on what sells. Panic and fear.
Dec 30 2019 1:55PM
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Dylan_https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/china.php


I mean, this is a pretty good troll link too, i must commend you for your efforts.
Dec 30 2019 1:56PM
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Dylan_
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eheathI mean, this is a pretty good troll link too, i must commend you for your efforts.


It's pretty widely available all over the internet. Stick to making edits and trolling NS like you have for the past 15 years.
Dec 30 2019 1:59PM
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eheath
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Dylan_It's pretty widely available all over the internet. Stick to making edits and trolling NS like you have for the past 15 years.


Your commitment to your character is impeccable.
Dec 30 2019 2:11PM
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eheath
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Dylan_It's pretty widely available all over the internet. Stick to making edits and trolling NS like you have for the past 15 years.


Idk if you posted the wrong link or something bruv but that photo and link have no correlation
Dec 30 2019 2:16PM
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Ghost_BLandzV2
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/949609/South-park-if-everyone-had-guns
Dec 30 2019 3:55PM
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Dylan_Shut the fuck up for once.

We don't have a gun problem in America, we have a mental health problem. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Gun control is like the war on drugs- it doesn't fucking work. Criminals will be criminals. We have a heroin epidemic in America too but what do we do? Give the drug addicts pharmaceuticals and call it good and call addiction a disease, when in fact, ITS A CHOICE.

Again, a gun cannot kill someone without an individual behind it.

This time the shooting was done with a shotgun. Are we banning those next? GOD DAMN ASSAULT AR15 SHOTGUNS AND THEIR HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES! You fucking liberals crack me up.

If we strip the 2A should we strip 1A too and all of our other RIGHTS?


We def have a gun problem. Also the "not a gun problem mental health problem" argument pisses me off. Generally the most post gun people are against any positive changes to the health care system. Those people don't give a fuck about the problem, they just want to own a bunch of guns.

Also there's the one side of people owning for protection, and then there's the "protection". A lot of gun owners treat them like toys. Their collection is more about look at me and my sick guns than protection.

Gun control works pretty well in a lot of countries. I get that there's no perfect solution, especially with the situation in the states. Honestly if it wasn't for the psycho gun nuts, we wouldn't have as much of an issue. People: Buy up every gun. Complain that gun control can't work because too many guns.

Also anything that becomes "you fucking liberals" or republicans even loses my interest. Can we ditch the my side your side dramatic bullshit and look at issues like adults?
Dec 30 2019 3:59PM
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Dylan_
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theabortionatorWe def have a gun problem. Also the "not a gun problem mental health problem" argument pisses me off. Generally the most post gun people are against any positive changes to the health care system. Those people don't give a fuck about the problem, they just want to own a bunch of guns.

Also there's the one side of people owning for protection, and then there's the "protection". A lot of gun owners treat them like toys. Their collection is more about look at me and my sick guns than protection.

Gun control works pretty well in a lot of countries. I get that there's no perfect solution, especially with the situation in the states. Honestly if it wasn't for the psycho gun nuts, we wouldn't have as much of an issue. People: Buy up every gun. Complain that gun control can't work because too many guns.

Also anything that becomes "you fucking liberals" or republicans even loses my interest. Can we ditch the my side your side dramatic bullshit and look at issues like adults?

Rusty, I respect your opinion. I generally don’t give 2 flying fucks about politics, I don’t post about them nor talk about them. I’m all for responsible gun ownership. I own guns, a lot of them but I am not being striped of my rights. The people on the news are clueless when it comes to firearms and everyone who knows nothing on the subject eats it up. Ar15’s are the hot topic because they “look scary” and this man just used a shotgun. I bird hunt- do I risk not being able to use a shot gun now?



People love to bring up “hunting rifles” during the 2a debate. Nowhere in the 2a does it talk about hunting. “Right to bear arms” aka for any and every reason to own firearms.

I can’t walk into a gun store and buy a gun without a background check. I also can’t carry unless I obtained a ccw (which is an infringement on my rights).

we do have a mental health problem. You can’t obtain a ccw in NY if you ever told the doctor you’re feeling off and he checked the mental health box. You also can’t buy a rifle if you check the box, if you don’t you’re lying on the paperwork. I am very familiar with mental illnesses first hand and this is the issue. I don’t know a single responsible gun owner who has committed a crime with their firearm.
Dec 30 2019 4:19PM
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Dylan_I don’t know a single responsible gun owner who has committed a crime with their firearm.

Hmmm

To another point you made about idiots on the news that dont know shit. Biggest issue I have with people is that they only focus on what the idiots on the other side are saying and don't talk about actual potential solutions.

Every current law that restricts owning a weapon technically infringes on the 2A. Do you think any gun laws are a good idea? Should felons be able to buy guns? Can we move the current line, should it be moved back? What is your comfort on restricting the 2A?

I also wish gun right advocates would care about the other amendments as much as they care about the 2A.
Dec 30 2019 7:28PM
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Thread's got aids for sure
Dec 30 2019 8:23PM
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Dylan_
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TOAST.Hmmm

To another point you made about idiots on the news that dont know shit. Biggest issue I have with people is that they only focus on what the idiots on the other side are saying and don't talk about actual potential solutions.

Every current law that restricts owning a weapon technically infringes on the 2A. Do you think any gun laws are a good idea? Should felons be able to buy guns? Can we move the current line, should it be moved back? What is your comfort on restricting the 2A?

I also wish gun right advocates would care about the other amendments as much as they care about the 2A.

Felons can’t purchase guns...LEGALLY. I
Care about every other amendment the same way I do the 2a.


I'm not even a republican, lol.
Dec 30 2019 8:53PM
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TOAST.
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Dylan_Felons can’t purchase guns...LEGALLY.


Do you think it should remain that way? Its infringining on the 2nd amendment.
Dec 30 2019 9:56PM
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WoFIowz
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BiffbarfThread's got aids for sure


Yep its incurable now
Dec 30 2019 11:55PM
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skierman
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Dylan_If we strip the 2A should we strip 1A too and all of our other RIGHTS?



Awww look, another Constitutional scholar that doesn't realize Amendments are not absolute. Here's a nice test for your logic. Start yelling you have a bomb while on a commercial airliner and see how well that works out for you.
Dec 31 2019 10:07AM
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skierman
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Dylan_I'm not even a republican, lol.


Don't worry, I think we all know you're just a fucking idiot.
Dec 31 2019 10:10AM
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skiermanAwww look, another Constitutional scholar that doesn't realize Amendments are not absolute. Here's a nice test for your logic. Start yelling you have a bomb while on a commercial airliner and see how well that works out for you.

Where does it say shall not be infringed in the first amendment? dumb fuck.
Dec 31 2019 10:17AM
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skierman
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Dylan_Where does it say shall not be infringed in the first amendment? dumb fuck.


Where's your RPG or your fully auto M-16? Derpiederpderrrrrrrrrp
Dec 31 2019 10:45AM
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skiermanWhere's your RPG or your fully auto M-16? Derpiederpderrrrrrrrrp


Good deflection. You've always been a loser haven't ya?
Dec 31 2019 11:11AM
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I like how everyone in this thread is calling each other idiots and shit when in reality the truth is there will never be an end to gun violence. If you take away guns, ppl will find a way to get them still. If you give everyone guns, everyone has guns. If you really wanna kill someone that bad ur gonna do it with or without a gun anyways.
Dec 31 2019 11:29AM
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Dylan_
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BLandzI like how everyone in this thread is calling each other idiots and shit when in reality the truth is there will never be an end to gun violence. If you take away guns, ppl will find a way to get them still. If you give everyone guns, everyone has guns. If you really wanna kill someone that bad ur gonna do it with or without a gun anyways.


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Dec 31 2019 11:40AM
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Dylan_Where does it say shall not be infringed in the first amendment? dumb fuck.


If we’re nitpicking the word choice, the second amendment mentions the right to bear arms as part of a well-regulated militia before the words “shall not be infringed”. While the wording of this is vague, it could mean that owners should be required to have proper training and have a local group to keep them in check
Dec 31 2019 11:43AM
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Dylan_
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Young_IPMCIf we’re nitpicking the word choice, the second amendment mentions the right to bear arms as part of a well-regulated militia before the words “shall not be infringed”. While the wording of this is vague, it could mean that owners should be required to have proper training and have a local group to keep them in check


the right of the people to keep and bear Arms comes before shall not be infringed. Just saying.
Dec 31 2019 11:47AM
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My favorite part is 5 seconds after a shooting where 20 people die people blow up facebook with gun memes. SHaLl nOt bE iNfRIngEd

It's more about the club and look at me and all my guns. And the sick amounts of empathy are always moving.

I think the severe gun nuts do more to hurt their cases by being douchers at every turn. I was more indifferent but I think these assholes have swayed my opinion more than the shootings.

And there are a fuck ton of shootings. The idea that nothing can be done, nothing will be done, and any discussion is bad, is bullshit.

I still think if people were banned from posting pictures of their guns and talking about their guns, the will to hoard guns would drop a bunch.

When it comes down to it, it's less about protection and more about "Look at me". Political team sports are terrible, but the gun people are really pushing the douchery to a new dimension. They're generally the same lerson that internwt tough guys on wvwry facebook post on how they'd fuck somebody up if they'd have been there. Cool friggin starry bra.
Dec 31 2019 5:52PM
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Lonely
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theabortionatorMy favorite part is 5 seconds after a shooting where 20 people die people blow up facebook with gun memes. SHaLl nOt bE iNfRIngEd

It's more about the club and look at me and all my guns. And the sick amounts of empathy are always moving.

I think the severe gun nuts do more to hurt their cases by being douchers at every turn. I was more indifferent but I think these assholes have swayed my opinion more than the shootings.

And there are a fuck ton of shootings. The idea that nothing can be done, nothing will be done, and any discussion is bad, is bullshit.

I still think if people were banned from posting pictures of their guns and talking about their guns, the will to hoard guns would drop a bunch.

When it comes down to it, it's less about protection and more about "Look at me". Political team sports are terrible, but the gun people are really pushing the douchery to a new dimension. They're generally the same lerson that internwt tough guys on wvwry facebook post on how they'd fuck somebody up if they'd have been there. Cool friggin starry bra.


All for gun rights and ownership. The gun zealots just make normal responsible gun owners look bad ultimately hurting their own cause as you said. Saying your gonna shoot anyone who looks at you weird cuz muh gun rights is ignorant and makes the rest of us look bad.
Dec 31 2019 6:05PM
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skierman
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Dylan_Good deflection. You've always been a loser haven't ya?


YEAH BUT BRO, THOSE FIREARMS! NOT BE INFRINGED, RIGHT BRO!? WHY CANT U HAVE THEM?! NOT BE INFRINGED BRO!
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I blame the shitty healthcare system and the stigma associated with mental illness in America. Guns/gun laws are not the issue, people are.
Dec 31 2019 6:40PM
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TRVP_ANGELHomie only had enough VATS AP for one shot, he said:


Could he possibly be the Arizona ranger with the big iron on his hip?
Dec 31 2019 7:50PM
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Dylan_
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skiermanYEAH BUT BRO, THOSE FIREARMS! NOT BE INFRINGED, RIGHT BRO!? WHY CANT U HAVE THEM?! NOT BE INFRINGED BRO!

Good thing I don’t speak like that, idiot.
Dec 31 2019 8:27PM
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skiermanHow low IQ are the American people to think this is the best we can do? "Derp he only managed to kill a few peoples this time! See more gunz is more safe! We just need more gunz!"

Let's just ignore the fact that we've seen the highest number of mass shootings this past year at over 400 incidents. Yup, nothin to see here, this single story is proof we don't have a problem with guns. Yup.


I've seen this statistic before and it is extremely misleading if not entirely disingenuous. That number includes all kinds of horrible things such as homeowners who shot (not necessarily killed) home invaders in self defense, parents who killed or wounded their whole families before committing suicide, police officers who responded to and shot armed criminals, and gang violence among other scenarios. Sorry, but if 1 cop is killed and 2 are wounded before one of them is able to shoot and kill the criminal that opened fire at a traffic stop...that is not a "mass shooting" in my book, and that is EXACTLY what one of those events you are citing is...to give you an example. This statistic is absolute political bullshit. It is incredibly irresponsible to imply that A) the 400+ events you are citing of 4 or more people being injured or killed are all school shootings or something like that and B) that the 400+ events you are citing are not inclusive of suicides and police incidents in which 4 or more good OR bad guys were wounded or killed. The reality is that the mass murders that we all think of and fear are incredibly rare in the US.

If you want to look at facts and see what nations are experiencing shooting related deaths at the highest rates, the US trails France, Belgium, and freaking Norway in that category. Media LOVES to push these stories, but if you really research the numbers to try to find the root cause (as I did), I think you'll be very disappointed in our leadership and the fact that they are knowingly cherry picking statistics and even changing the definitions of statistics to fit their rhetoric.

Go watch any politician speak about gun control measures they want to take and see how long it takes for them to blatantly lie about what the gun they are holding is capable of, the laws that already do and don't exist, and how the laws they want to push will help. We have TENS OF THOUSANDS of gun laws across this country and the places that see the vast majority of the violence are impoverished inner cities with crazy strict gun control laws. Our politicians are lying to us about the root cause. We have a metric fuck load of guns in the US, the number is climbing faster and faster, and gun violence is still decreasing.
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