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Blister seems pretty high on both these skis, I’ve got a wider pair of wildcats and got a pair of the enforcers but am having second thoughts on whether the Ranger 102 would’ve been better for carving and on harder snow (being my narrowest ski), as well as in the park.
Live on the East and have 10 days on the Ranger 102fr this season. Hands down the best ski I’ve been on in years. I have the 191 so it’s a lot of ski, but I can drive em so hard on ice and groomers with ease. They’re low key really poppy off side hits and rollers. Can make any turn, flick em super quick, trees/bumps whatever. Everything I wanted in a sub 110 ski to round my quiver. I have skied the enforcers but I believe the Fischer’s are stiffer vs. the enforcers. Which I wanted.
Both fantastic skis and above mentioned, the Fisher 102 FR is a bit stiffer and lighter and the Enforcer 104 is a bit softer and heavier. The Fisher 102 FR is more precise and lighter on it’s feet, the E104 is a more forgiving ski that hauls still because of it’s heavier weight. Fisher is a better carver on piste, the Enforcer more forgiving in bumps.
I could happily live with either.
Ditto to everything above. Only thing I'd add is that I'd personally prefer the 102 FR for park since it feels notably lighter in the air. Both are awesome, pretty stable all-mountain skis that are also pretty playful.
Currently own both the Enforcer 104 and the Fisher 102 FR as I got a great deal on the Fishers while on a ski trip and they were perfect for the conditions. As I said above, the Fishers are lighter, stiffer with less rocker so a bit more “serious” and the Enforcers are a bit easier to ski with their softer flex and increased tail rocker. Both are more all mountain skis that are more playful with the mounts moved up then all mountain freestyle skis. Neither have thicker edges for rails and the Fisher isn’t semi capped at the tip/tail so it will chip a bit. They are more skis that are fun skiing all over the mountain hitting side hits on and off piste. Both have fast race bases though.....lol
Greg_KCurrently own both the Enforcer 104 and the Fisher 102 FR as I got a great deal on the Fishers while on a ski trip and they were perfect for the conditions. As I said above, the Fishers are lighter, stiffer with less rocker so a bit more “serious” and the Enforcers are a bit easier to ski with their softer flex and increased tail rocker. Both are more all mountain skis that are more playful with the mounts moved up then all mountain freestyle skis. Neither have thicker edges for rails and the Fisher isn’t semi capped at the tip/tail so it will chip a bit. They are more skis that are fun skiing all over the mountain hitting side hits on and off piste. Both have fast race bases though.....lol
What does semi capped mean and what difference does it make?
also i read that all fischer and atomic bases were sintered race bases. The fishers though get great reviews for durability unlike the punx. At least from the reviews i read. I really cant believe these fischers in a 102 waist and sintered base are only 240. It almost doesnt make sense when you look at the positive reviews. Any ideas why they are so cheap?
**This post was edited on Apr 7th 2020 at 11:18:04pm
DolanReloadedWhat does semi capped mean and what difference does it make?
also i read that all fischer and atomic bases were sintered race bases. The fishers though get great reviews for durability unlike the punx. At least from the reviews i read. I really cant believe these fischers in a 102 waist and sintered base are only 240. It almost doesnt make sense when you look at the positive reviews. Any ideas why they are so cheap?
**This post was edited on Apr 7th 2020 at 11:18:04pm
That’s their junior/teen Freeride ski that’s 90mm in the waist and runs up to 172cm long. Would be a good ski for a lighter kid starting to ski more off trail etc. Afraid it has the exact same graphics as the adult Fisher 102FR which runs $405 US right now for the current model online which is still a great deal for that ski.
Fisher park ski is the 84mm wide, symmetrical, full camber Nightstick. A stiff competition ski that has thicker bases and edges and what you’d see compared to the Atomic skis like the Punx 7. Both designed more for half pipe, park and firm groomers and not off piste etc.
Many park/freestyle skis have full sidewalls for better stiffness underfoot giving carving/grip capability and then the tips and tails have a semi cap/cap construction. So they are more of a rounded topsheet construction tip/tail to cut down on topsheet chipping and make swingweight lighter. The Fisher and Nordica both use techniques to lower swing weight tip/tail but the Nordica rounds the topsheets more there vs the Fisher that has abrupt, square topsheet edges along the whole ski. The topsheets will look more beat up on the Fishers 102FR if you’re knocking them in the air or in moguls etc. Edges/bases aren’t thicker either in the FR models.
Fisher 102FR a great ski for all mountain use as long as you’re not hitting rails and just kickers in the park.
FapMasterFLEXLive on the East and have 10 days on the Ranger 102fr this season. Hands down the best ski I’ve been on in years. I have the 191 so it’s a lot of ski, but I can drive em so hard on ice and groomers with ease. They’re low key really poppy off side hits and rollers. Can make any turn, flick em super quick, trees/bumps whatever. Everything I wanted in a sub 110 ski to round my quiver. I have skied the enforcers but I believe the Fischer’s are stiffer vs. the enforcers. Which I wanted.
jps2.0how is the 191 for short turns and tight trees?
To be honest, amazing. They have no speed limit but can arc any turn with ease. Much better in bumps vs. expected. Obviously tight trees are a challenge for any long ski, but they handle them as best as possible. I haven’t had issues with them in the trees they’re quick edge to edge and it’s easy to kick out the tails
skeirman102fr versus BlackOps 98 for bumps and trees?
Would prefer the Fisher 102 or Enforcer 104 over the Black Ops 98 in any conditions honestly(except maybe park). Although the BO 98 has a decent flex for bumps, it’s blunt sloped tip doesn’t easily glide over fresh snow and bumpy terrain like the Fisher/E 104, so unless conditions are fairly flat, the BO 98 tips (or Menace 98 with similar tip shape) bulldoze the snow. The faster you ski, the more you will notice the tip differences. I prefer the Menace 98 over the BO 98 myself but they both have similar tip shapes that makes for a jolty ride at higher speeds when things get rough.
The 102FR is a stiffer ski so it’s less forgiving of bad technique in bumps but it’s light swing weight and great edge grip make it fun in trees/bumps especially when there’s new snow. The E104 has a softer flex and more tail rocker, so even easier to pivot and a bit more forgiving in bumps than the 102FR. Bumps and rough off piste conditions are the few places I think the E104 is even easier to ski than the 102FR but the Fisher better everywhere else. Fisher is more stable at high speed, a more powerful carver, has better hard snow edge grip, is more precise so if I had to pick one, it would be the Fisher 102FR. Fantastic all around ski and a great deal at current Spring prices as just a top sheet color change for next year.
Greg_KThat’s their junior/teen Freeride ski that’s 90mm in the waist and runs up to 172cm long. Would be a good ski for a lighter kid starting to ski more off trail etc. Afraid it has the exact same graphics as the adult Fisher 102FR which runs $405 US right now for the current model online which is still a great deal for that ski.
Fisher park ski is the 84mm wide, symmetrical, full camber Nightstick. A stiff competition ski that has thicker bases and edges and what you’d see compared to the Atomic skis like the Punx 7. Both designed more for half pipe, park and firm groomers and not off piste etc.
Many park/freestyle skis have full sidewalls for better stiffness underfoot giving carving/grip capability and then the tips and tails have a semi cap/cap construction. So they are more of a rounded topsheet construction tip/tail to cut down on topsheet chipping and make swingweight lighter. The Fisher and Nordica both use techniques to lower swing weight tip/tail but the Nordica rounds the topsheets more there vs the Fisher that has abrupt, square topsheet edges along the whole ski. The topsheets will look more beat up on the Fishers 102FR if you’re knocking them in the air or in moguls etc. Edges/bases aren’t thicker either in the FR models.
Fisher 102FR a great ski for all mountain use as long as you’re not hitting rails and just kickers in the park.
Cool. Yeah my armadas i think have are semi capped; tip and tail sections both do away with the sidewall.
DolanReloadedCool. Yeah my armadas i think have are semi capped; tip and tail sections both do away with the sidewall.
Correct. They have a full sidewall on 75% of the ski(Armada calls its AR75) and then semi cap tip/tail to reduce chipping and save weight. They used to be just 50%(AR 50) full sidewall on their earlier ARV models, so not as solid and a bit lighter before.
