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I took a risk in buying these skis. They seemed to be high quality, through reviews and self research, I purchased them.
after less than 30 days on them in the park (and I don’t go huge on rails) the bottoms are starting to delaminate.
I was told by the company that damages caused by park skiing voids warranty, and the delaminating is most likely from rails, despite the edge being fine.
just want to put out a PSA for anyone considering on buying these skis.... don’t. Save your money and invest in better skis.
It could be just a bad lay-up. The epoxies did not adhere correctly. The base material may not have been properly treated to adhere to the epoxies.
Then I would have to ask you, do you wax your skis?
If so, could it be you used an iron way way too hot?
FrenchSilkPaiOh this is 100% aggressive. Because I’m being told that this is basically normal and it’s the “risk” you take when you bring a park ski to the park. But To me, they are pretty new tbh. Less than 30 days on the for sure. The base of the ski that’s delaming is perfectly fine. There’s an edge crack, but hey? Am I complaining about that? I do front swaps and back swaps and 2s on to tubes. I’m not desastering a 5 foot drop or anything...
You're quite the ignorant fuck. To reiterate what everyone is trying to tell you, shit happens. Sometimes skis don't even make it a month, sometimes they last years. A lot of factors come into play here.
DominatorJacquesIt could be just a bad lay-up. The epoxies did not adhere correctly. The base material may not have been properly treated to adhere to the epoxies.
Then I would have to ask you, do you wax your skis?
If so, could it be you used an iron way way too hot?
If you actually looked through the comments, about half the people think that the delam is slightly strange.
also for you to call me an ignorant fuck and then say that I’m probably fat? That’s kind of funny.
ahshitYou're quite the ignorant fuck. To reiterate what everyone is trying to tell you, shit happens. Sometimes skis don't even make it a month, sometimes they last years. A lot of factors come into play here.
Also if it’s a bad layup, wouldn’t that be a defect?
DominatorJacquesIt could be just a bad lay-up. The epoxies did not adhere correctly. The base material may not have been properly treated to adhere to the epoxies.
Then I would have to ask you, do you wax your skis?
If so, could it be you used an iron way way too hot?
FrenchSilkPaiNever higher than 120 with all temp wax.
I'll assume you mean 120c. That's 250F. Can be done, but one needs to wax very quickly. At those temperatures the ski can undergo some huge stress. Even worse if the hot ski is placed out in the cold to cool off.
Did you verify that temp. with a thermometer? An analog iron can run much higher than the knob might read.
Even if you did not "melt" the base, too much heat can affect the epoxies sometimes.
Just food for thought.
My hunch would be as I said above. That something was wrong in the lay-up of the ski.
Sometimes happens to any manufacture.
Had you taken them back and let them look at it, things might have worked out better for you.
I did an internship for Majesty 2 years ago and received a pair of skis from them as a form of compensation. The skis I owned saw everything from park to pow to urban and I had nothing but the average topsheet scratches/chips. You might have gotten unlucky, but nobodys manufacturing process is perfect and things slip through the cracks. Slandering a companys name is a shitty thing to do, so rather than spending your time doing that, a thorough email to the company explaining your situation would more than likely prove beneficial.
BlumpkinPumpkinAll your evidence is anecdotal case reports. Until someone does a randomized controlled trial, consider risk of delamination a random occurrence if hitting rails. All rails are different. Different skier weights. Different skis. Different lengths. Different hits on rails. Different angles. Different temperatures. Different humidity. Different friction. Different forces in every which way. I could go on all day. Nothing is the same so one simply cannot compare brands as people continually try to do. Blanket statements do nothing. Ever think that the reason you don't hear about some company covering some crappy non-warranty issue is because the skis are holding up to continuous abuse and never actually reached this point🤔??
Everyone complains about the skis that break, but by far there are more skis that get tossed literally off a mountain and are fine. You'll never hear that PR though.
OP not sure why you're complaining about a company not covering a clear non-warranty issue. Sure you have examples of all brands going out of their way and covering some folks' non-warranty park issues such as ditches and bitches but I'm sure plenty of those same brands also deny plenty of these false warranties. Just because someone posts a thread that x company covered their park delam, doesn't mean they actually told the company that they skied park. Ever think of that? Gotta be smart with warranties man even if it's shady (sorry indie brands); let them decide how the damage occurred if you aren't prepared to accept the fact of a denial.
Idk who this ski company is, but what if their margins are so thin that they can't afford to lose a few hundred bucks?
All I'm saying in this giant response is think before you speak. There's plenty of unknown reasons. Quit drawing conclusions from your one experience.
**This post was edited on Nov 25th 2019 at 7:57:16pm
FrenchSilkPaiYep, the delam is very interesting and isn’t one that should “just happen” from rail skiing. I reached out to the rep for my area along with the company themselves. This was the response I got. The rep also told me that there historically hasn’t been issues with the vandals
Hey retard how bout u pick up the phone and call them
I don’t think me picking up the phone is going to change their warranty policy. Also, I would gladly invite you to look for their phone number.
Says the man who put “majeshitty” in his thread title.
How about this: you make some sort of effort to make this situation better. Find a phone number and call them and explain the situation in person. Take advantage of one of the discounts they said they would offer you. Make a thread on NS and ask a homie to hook you up with a pair of skis for the rest of the season because you had bad luck with a pair you just bought.
Or just come on NS, trash a very reputable ski brand, and make a fool of yourself. That’s cool 2 bro
spoke to the company via social media, spoke to the Majesty rep in my region that has direct ties to the company. Got the same answers from both despite explaining the situation extensively. Read through the comments you fucking degenerate.
SammyDubzSays the man who put “majeshitty” in his thread title.
How about this: you make some sort of effort to make this situation better. Find a phone number and call them and explain the situation in person. Take advantage of one of the discounts they said they would offer you. Make a thread on NS and ask a homie to hook you up with a pair of skis for the rest of the season because you had bad luck with a pair you just bought.
Or just come on NS, trash a very reputable ski brand, and make a fool of yourself. That’s cool 2 bro
you Keep taking about a phone number. Find a legitimate phone number to contact the European based ski company that literally just started to market harder in the US. Lmao wtf is this reputation you’re talking about. They literally lost Toph and Iceberg to other skiing companies this summer. Lmao you’re delusional to say that they are “really reputable”
SammyDubzSays the man who put “majeshitty” in his thread title.
How about this: you make some sort of effort to make this situation better. Find a phone number and call them and explain the situation in person. Take advantage of one of the discounts they said they would offer you. Make a thread on NS and ask a homie to hook you up with a pair of skis for the rest of the season because you had bad luck with a pair you just bought.
Or just come on NS, trash a very reputable ski brand, and make a fool of yourself. That’s cool 2 bro
Tell me who in the right mind would buy another pair, even if they were discounted, if their first pair delamed in a months worth of skiing.
SammyDubzSays the man who put “majeshitty” in his thread title.
How about this: you make some sort of effort to make this situation better. Find a phone number and call them and explain the situation in person. Take advantage of one of the discounts they said they would offer you. Make a thread on NS and ask a homie to hook you up with a pair of skis for the rest of the season because you had bad luck with a pair you just bought.
Or just come on NS, trash a very reputable ski brand, and make a fool of yourself. That’s cool 2 bro
FrenchSilkPaispoke to the company via social media, spoke to the Majesty rep in my region that has direct ties to the company. Got the same answers from both despite explaining the situation extensively. Read through the comments you fucking degenerate.
FrenchSilkPaiyou Keep taking about a phone number. Find a legitimate phone number to contact the European based ski company that literally just started to market harder in the US. Lmao wtf is this reputation you’re talking about. They literally lost Toph and Iceberg to other skiing companies this summer. Lmao you’re delusional to say that they are “really reputable”
Ask your reps for a phone number you dumb fuck hahahah
They’re reputable. big in the European market. Sure you could find a number if you tried but no effort on your part. Sad!
You’re right, and we have established that through and through in the thread. But when “shit” happens they will usually have a solution instead of saying, “you went in the park it’s your fault”
DominatorJacquesIndeed "shit" happens. Even with the best name brands! Ha ha
So with that same logic. You buy a new car, engine blows out in 20k miles and the dealership tells you don’t blame the car for your driving, you’re out of luck for it breaking when you use it for what it’s meant for. Good logic.
FrenchSilkPaiYou’re right, and we have established that through and through in the thread. But when “shit” happens they will usually have a solution instead of saying, “you went in the park it’s your fault”
I still think your skis had a defect. That said, no ski is going to withstand slamming onto rails over and over again.
The smoother you can do it, the longer they will last.
Could it be you need more smoothation points?
Same logic if I was gassing it off every start, going off roading, redlining it and it died I wouldn't blame the car company. Park skiing is hard on skis you're sliding metal on metal with high impacts. It's a risk that you take on everytime you hit a feature. There is a reason why the only company that covered rail damage is out of business.
FrenchSilkPaiSo with that same logic. You buy a new car, engine blows out in 20k miles and the dealership tells you don’t blame the car for your driving, you’re out of luck for it breaking when you use it for what it’s meant for. Good logic.
DominatorJacquesI still think your skis had a defect. That said, no ski is going to withstand slamming onto rails over and over again.
The smoother you can do it, the longer they will last.
Could it be you need more smoothation points?
Reached out in 2 different ways. Read the thread. It’s a shitty company that obviously cares more about the little profit they have.
animatorI did an internship for Majesty 2 years ago and received a pair of skis from them as a form of compensation. The skis I owned saw everything from park to pow to urban and I had nothing but the average topsheet scratches/chips. You might have gotten unlucky, but nobodys manufacturing process is perfect and things slip through the cracks. Slandering a companys name is a shitty thing to do, so rather than spending your time doing that, a thorough email to the company explaining your situation would more than likely prove beneficial.
FrenchSilkPaiReached out in 2 different ways. Read the thread. It’s a shitty company that obviously cares more about the little profit they have.
In your responses so far, I've seen you tell anyone who disagrees with you that you know more about how warranty customer service "should" be handled, skiing technique, and more about ski engineering in general.
Are you an engineer? Have you ever built skis before? Maybe been a ski tech? Ever worked in a shop? Tuned skis? Sold skis? Maybe been a pro/am skier? Ski instructor? Ever broken skis before?
What specifically on your resume gives you the qualifications to tell multiple ski company employees + several experienced skiers in here that they don't know shit?
Ima need to see those credentials my guy, I'll wait.
The fact that you ride midwest parks (ropetows specifically are where park skis die faster than anywhere else), are building your case off of two not-so-clear photos, and also refuse to send the skis in for examination are all also highly suspect. We can get to that later though :)
I’ve had enough experience from both skiing and working in the industry to know that my type of skiing and frequency should not cause the delamination that is happening.
also, why would I take my bindings of my skis and send them in to take a chance on having them warranted when I have explicitly been told by 2 sources from the company, and multiple people here that “this is caused from park skiing”. I would also have to pay for shipping back if they rejected my claim, which is probably what they would do. At that point I’d have a pair of skis, that are delaminating, that have been mounted once. And then what? I remount them in the same spot? Makes clear sense.
I invite you to buy a pair of majestys skis and then come back and make more seemly smart remarks.
I also would like to let you know that the picture I originally posted clearly shows the issue at hand. Feel free to save the picture and zoom in if your eyes are failing you :)
seanahue.In your responses so far, I've seen you tell anyone who disagrees with you that you know more about how warranty customer service "should" be handled, skiing technique, and more about ski engineering in general.
Are you an engineer? Have you ever built skis before? Maybe been a ski tech? Ever worked in a shop? Tuned skis? Sold skis? Maybe been a pro/am skier? Ski instructor? Ever broken skis before?
What specifically on your resume gives you the qualifications to tell multiple ski company employees + several experienced skiers in here that they don't know shit?
Ima need to see those credentials my guy, I'll wait.
The fact that you ride midwest parks (ropetows specifically are where park skis die faster than anywhere else), are building your case off of two not-so-clear photos, and also refuse to send the skis in for examination are all also highly suspect. We can get to that later though :)
please note the difference between the ski on the left and right. How the edge looks perfectly healthy, but the edge, itself, is separating from the base of the ski.
looks pretty darn clear to me.
seanahue.In your responses so far, I've seen you tell anyone who disagrees with you that you know more about how warranty customer service "should" be handled, skiing technique, and more about ski engineering in general.
Are you an engineer? Have you ever built skis before? Maybe been a ski tech? Ever worked in a shop? Tuned skis? Sold skis? Maybe been a pro/am skier? Ski instructor? Ever broken skis before?
What specifically on your resume gives you the qualifications to tell multiple ski company employees + several experienced skiers in here that they don't know shit?
Ima need to see those credentials my guy, I'll wait.
The fact that you ride midwest parks (ropetows specifically are where park skis die faster than anywhere else), are building your case off of two not-so-clear photos, and also refuse to send the skis in for examination are all also highly suspect. We can get to that later though :)
please note the difference between the ski on the left and right. How the edge looks perfectly healthy, but the edge, itself, is separating from the base of the ski.
looks pretty darn clear to me.
"enough experience from both skiing and working in the industry to know" - you're omitting information. Elaborate on this extensive experience, please and thank you.
That photo^, even when zoomed in, isn't proof of anything other than a sidewall/edge gap and a base/edge gap in one small section of the ski.
That could be an overly beveled/detuned edge (base high tune, or overheating from detune), a gap from a manufacturing oversight (uneven epoxy saturation, or base/edge assembly), a gap from impact + water seepage (base/edge gaps blow out when water gets in from another area, seeps in others, freezes/thaws, and then expands), or a handful of other scenarios I don't feel like listing because you should get the point by now - there are more possibilities than the single scenario you willingly acknowledge.
Regardless of cause, without laying eyes and hands on the physical ski in-person, anything you or I argue about is speculation - I'm not claiming any scenario is more right than the one you're desperately clinging to (manufacturing defect), I'm claiming that photos are simply not enough information for a manufacturer to determine causation, and prove/disprove your claim.
Having seen the skis in-person, if you truly believe its a warranty, send 'em in and bet on yourself. If you're that confident in the correctness of your assessment, this should be a non-issue. A manufacturer isn't looking to fuck you by sending skis in, they are looking to determine with 100% certainty what caused the issue to 1. possibly help you (even if it doesn't technically fall under warranty) and 2. if there is a manufacturing issue, identify it, fix it, and build better skis for future customers.
If you're denied, ITS BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER KNOWS MORE ABOUT HOW SKIS BREAK THAN YOU DO - a shocking revelation for you, I'm sure.
Just because you don't like standard procedure warranty guidelines doesn't make a whole company "shitty." Making a callout thread with zero credibility that damages peoples' livelihoods, however, does make you an asshole.
seanahue."enough experience from both skiing and working in the industry to know" - you're omitting information. Elaborate on this extensive experience, please and thank you.
That photo^, even when zoomed in, isn't proof of anything other than a sidewall/edge gap and a base/edge gap in one small section of the ski.
That could be an overly beveled/detuned edge (base high tune, or overheating from detune), a gap from a manufacturing oversight (uneven epoxy saturation, or base/edge assembly), a gap from impact + water seepage (base/edge gaps blow out when water gets in from another area, seeps in others, freezes/thaws, and then expands), or a handful of other scenarios I don't feel like listing because you should get the point by now - there are more possibilities than the single scenario you willingly acknowledge.
Regardless of cause, without laying eyes and hands on the physical ski in-person, anything you or I argue about is speculation - I'm not claiming any scenario is more right than the one you're desperately clinging to (manufacturing defect), I'm claiming that photos are simply not enough information for a manufacturer to determine causation, and prove/disprove your claim.
Having seen the skis in-person, if you truly believe its a warranty, send 'em in and bet on yourself. If you're that confident in the correctness of your assessment, this should be a non-issue. A manufacturer isn't looking to fuck you by sending skis in, they are looking to determine with 100% certainty what caused the issue to 1. possibly help you (even if it doesn't technically fall under warranty) and 2. if there is a manufacturing issue, identify it, fix it, and build better skis for future customers.
If you're denied, ITS BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER KNOWS MORE ABOUT HOW SKIS BREAK THAN YOU DO - a shocking revelation for you, I'm sure.
Just because you don't like standard procedure warranty guidelines doesn't make a whole company "shitty." Making a callout thread with zero credibility that damages peoples' livelihoods, however, does make you an asshole.
Is there a TL;DR to this, not going to read an essay I don’t need to.
seanahue."enough experience from both skiing and working in the industry to know" - you're omitting information. Elaborate on this extensive experience, please and thank you.
That photo^, even when zoomed in, isn't proof of anything other than a sidewall/edge gap and a base/edge gap in one small section of the ski.
That could be an overly beveled/detuned edge (base high tune, or overheating from detune), a gap from a manufacturing oversight (uneven epoxy saturation, or base/edge assembly), a gap from impact + water seepage (base/edge gaps blow out when water gets in from another area, seeps in others, freezes/thaws, and then expands), or a handful of other scenarios I don't feel like listing because you should get the point by now - there are more possibilities than the single scenario you willingly acknowledge.
Regardless of cause, without laying eyes and hands on the physical ski in-person, anything you or I argue about is speculation - I'm not claiming any scenario is more right than the one you're desperately clinging to (manufacturing defect), I'm claiming that photos are simply not enough information for a manufacturer to determine causation, and prove/disprove your claim.
Having seen the skis in-person, if you truly believe its a warranty, send 'em in and bet on yourself. If you're that confident in the correctness of your assessment, this should be a non-issue. A manufacturer isn't looking to fuck you by sending skis in, they are looking to determine with 100% certainty what caused the issue to 1. possibly help you (even if it doesn't technically fall under warranty) and 2. if there is a manufacturing issue, identify it, fix it, and build better skis for future customers.
If you're denied, ITS BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER KNOWS MORE ABOUT HOW SKIS BREAK THAN YOU DO - a shocking revelation for you, I'm sure.
Just because you don't like standard procedure warranty guidelines doesn't make a whole company "shitty." Making a callout thread with zero credibility that damages peoples' livelihoods, however, does make you an asshole.
FrenchSilkPaiIs there a TL;DR to this, not going to read an essay I don’t need to.
You’re doodoo fam gtfo outta here, if you don’t send it in for them to inspect it means that you aren’t confident enough in your analysis of the ski, therefore discrediting your “experience from skiing and working in the industry.” Stop shitting on an established company and grow the fuck up. There’s your TLDR
Majesty skis are low quality skis that 8/10 will not buy over reputable skis. Change my mind, along with everyone that will never consider on buying them.
seanahue.OP tells people to "read thread".
OP gets spanked in public, replies "TLDR" in the face of irrefutable facts.
I think we're done here, thanks for the funsies clown-boy.
Feel free to have your opinions about my opinions, go buy some of their skis too. There’s a reason why no one skis them, let alone knows what the brand is here.
seanahue.OP tells people to "read thread".
OP gets spanked in public, replies "TLDR" in the face of irrefutable facts.
I think we're done here, thanks for the funsies clown-boy.
Just hear to drop this little gem. Haven’t seen much from Freddie since his sculptures that he made from edges from skis at Kimbo sessions two years ago.
Gotta hit paint because real rails will break the skis 😂
ghoti_hookJust hear to drop this little gem. Haven’t seen much from Fredie since his sculptures that he made from edges from skis at Kimbo sessions two years ago.
FrenchSilkPaiIs there a TL;DR to this, not going to read an essay I don’t need to.
Personally I think it sounds like it could be an warranty issue, but holy shit you're acting like an ass now. Even "reputable" ski companies make you send back skis if there is stuff in question, maybe a few exemptions from that.
Yea, I think it could too. But I’m not willing to take the risk. And yea I was reasonable at first but after people go on blast about how I’m just being silly about thinking that this should be warranted, when half the comments agree with that believe, I’m just going all out of my theory with 0 tolerance of a different opinion.
TOAST.Personally I think it sounds like it could be an warranty issue, but holy shit you're acting like an ass now. Even "reputable" ski companies make you send back skis if there is stuff in question, maybe a few exemptions from that.
