Who influenced the sport of freestyle more Candide Thovex, Tanner Hall, or Jon Olsson

out of all three of these guys who would say is the richest probably Jon but Candide and Tanner probably are also pretty wealthy from all of his sponsors and movies.

JOSS are what got me to convert from snowboarding to skiing, so I have a soft spot for Jon. Candide currently is making freestyle more mainstream with is OOTD videos.

Ski Boss, though, has to be the most influential for freestyle. A lot of people are too young to remember what he was doing in X-Games during the early days of freestyle, but he (imo) made the sport what it is today. Winning comps, spreading stoke, and displaying that pure joy skiing brought him on the biggest stage was huge for the culture.

CLQCandide was the first to hit Chads Gap, enough said

Wasn't he like 16 or 17 at the time too? Crazy shit

jon made freeskiing way more mainstream than tanner. Candide is an icon in france though.

DolanReloadedjon made freeskiing way more mainstream than tanner. Candide is an icon in france though.

ok buddy
candide is a legend everywhere

candide hands down. one of those days was nuts

DolanReloadedjon made freeskiing way more mainstream than tanner. Candide is an icon in france though.

Tanner hall set the stereotype that all park rats smoke weed and were shin long sweat shirts if thats what you mean by making freeskiing mainstream.

bogustTanner hall set the stereotype that all park rats smoke weed and were shin long sweat shirts if thats what you mean by making freeskiing mainstream.

Tanner smoked weed for attention. Weed is great, but its not worth shaping your whole image as a pot smoking buddha every chance you get.

Pot is not supposed to be a reputation play.
Do it if you like it. If not who cares.

eh i’d argue tanner smokes weed because he absolutely fucking loves smoking weed, he’s made it pretty clear he doesn’t care what anyone thinks

DolanReloadedTanner smoked weed for attention.

Candide built chads gap with his bar hands just he didn't tell anyone

danbrowneh i’d argue tanner smokes weed because he absolutely fucking loves smoking weed, he’s made it pretty clear he doesn’t care what anyone thinks

Yeah, anyone who has really followed Tanners' career understands where he is coming from. He could simply care less about their criticism, at least now lol. Some people in this thread need to give the dude more credit. He dominated competitions, put out countless raw segments, is the co-founder of Armada, co-founder of a media company and so much more.

On top of that, he overcame addiction, as well as more criticism from the media, other athletes, and sponsors than arguably anyone in the ski industry has and still came out on top in regards to the position he is in today. To say he smokes weed for attention just shows that people still dislike him for his ability to not give a fuck what anyone thinks of him. Smoking weed is just apart of who he is and has probably helped him overcome his depression and addictions more than almost anything.

He is a legend in so many aspects and the fact he is still one of the most prevalent skiers blows my mind, AT 36 years old... like come on. Dude podiumed at FWT and is pushing himself like no other in these last couple edits. For all those reasons and more I have respect for the dude and appreciate what he has done for skiing. Not to say that Candide and Jon don't have my respect or haven't made a huge impact on skiing, but to me, Tanner is one of the real ones that deserves credit, just as much as Jon and Candide do. Sucks seeing hate on Tanner as a person still. People change and don't usually come out of what he has. Rant over

When I was in middle school/high school everyone knew who Tanner Hall was. He was our Shaun White or Tony Hawk. He got us excited and wanting to ride park. It’s the inspiration side.

snowmosexualUnpopular opinion, I'm looking for more understanding. I don't understand the hype on Tanner. Yes he has been around since the first generation of park rat skiers. Yes he has innovated style and tricks that were heavily influenced by snowboarding. I get it, he smokes pot and is loose.

He never really dominated comp skiing. His big mountain skiing is not that impressive even when compared to other pros of the same age.

He has done more than I will probably ever do. His segments are entertaining and get me hyped for skiing every time I watch them from 10 years old to now. Still tho I do not understand why people want to put him in the same category of 'Fathers of Freeskiing' that Candide, Mike Douglas, Shane, and others have so rightfully earned.

i think TANNER is the most influential. it's hard to overstate what a juggernaut he was in the early 2000s. nonstop wins in slope, pipe, and big air, had all the most influential segments, and basically steered the whole sport's idea of what style is and should be for years. then he got into big mtn and did super well there too. the fact that he's even still skiing at a high level these days is just icing on the cake

CANDIDE is my favorite and imo is one of the best all around skiers to ever live, and has been doing absolutely mind bending shit since 1999, and nowadays he's really well known for his more recent edits. but back then he was basically a ghost who would just pop in here and there and blow everyone's minds, so i can't say that back then he was as influential as tanner.

on the subject, yes chad pioneered chad's gap but ate shit on it 2 or 3 times, and candide asked if he could hit it and he got it, so he was the first to LAND it. it's worth noting though that chad stuck it like the next day or something...very soon after. then the next year candide went back and ate shit a few times before blasting that d7 on it

JON is getting slept on hard in this thread though. no he wasn't quite as influential as tanner but he was one of the absolute top dogs in the early days-- when propaganda came out especially, he was on the absolute bleeding edge of tricks and style. all the threads on here were like "is it true jon does switch misty 9s and shit in propaganda??" then had the ender in 1242, then an iconic segment in TBC, and then made doubles cool again. rick wroblewski, mike wilson, others were doing dubs here and there but they were largely considered "circus tricks" because at the time, everyone was more into smaller slower smoother things. and jon was all about that shit but as he progressed he took the same style to dubs and basically single-handedly made them cool again, so there's some unbelievable influence right there. then he went on to do JOI and JOSS and all kinds of other baller shit

let's put it this way: jon did a sw 5 and almost landed a switch misty 9 on chad's during the same session as tanner's sw 9s and ankle break. that footage basically never saw the light of day; i only have seen it as part of a Head ad that didn't seem to be circulated all that much...imagine being so productive that you can let your SWITCH TRICKS ON CHAD'S GAP footage be left on the cutting room floor and still have one of the most popular segments of the year. unbelievable

same year, he was also present when dumont overshot that PC jump by a mile and got destroyed. imagine watching tanner's crash on chad's and dumont's overshoot in person as a fellow rider in the same season and trying to keep confidently skiing. it's wild. on the subject, jon also had his insane career and had almost no major injuries. that alone is mind boggling


so uhhh to summarize i think tanner's easily most influential but all 3 are just monsters with super super impressive careers

CLQFirst to successfully land Chads Gap, is that better? Also he was only 17

He was only 16, and he was the first to land it. He did a 360. Chad scouted it and named it and I think was the first to hit it and hit the wall - Candidate also hit the wall, but kept going. It must have been a good pow day. Candide was 17 when he came back the next year and did the D-spin 7 on it.

LivingDaLifeHe was only 16, and he was the first to land it. He did a 360. Chad scouted it and named it and I think was the first to hit it and hit the wall - Candidate also hit the wall, but kept going. It must have been a good pow day. Candide was 17 when he came back the next year and did the D-spin 7 on it.

pretty sure he only straight aired it that first time. big ol' mute grab

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Those 3 are great and most talented. Candide with exposure and general amazing talent, Tanner with a dominant pipe career and personality and Jon for the first (consistent, sorry Mike Wilson) double flips that people figured out once he did them.

Bias here but an alt name would be Eric Pollard for product influence (unsee ski designs), bc freestyle (every edit has a powder nose butter in it) & style.

SofaKingSickpretty sure he only straight aired it that first time. big ol' mute grab

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I remember reading that he did a 3. I could be wrong though, I've only seen the mute grab picture and never any video.

LivingDaLifeI remember reading that he did a 3. I could be wrong though, I've only seen the mute grab picture and never any video.

the mute (and chad landing his straight air on it too) is in Clay Pigeons. IIRC candide's mute is the last shot, and i forget where in the movie chad's make and attempts are


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/841839/Clay-Pigeons

bogustif I was to add someone to the pole who should I add?

You could make an argument for any of Shane McConkey, Mike Douglas, JP Auclair or Tom Wallisch

MalczykThose 3 are great and most talented. Candide with exposure and general amazing talent, Tanner with a dominant pipe career and personality and Jon for the first (consistent, sorry Mike Wilson) double flips that people figured out once he did them.

Bias here but an alt name would be Eric Pollard for product influence (unsee ski designs), bc freestyle (every edit has a powder nose butter in it) & style.

I do think Pollard deserves a shout for IDEA and bringing a lot of style into skiing along with the shapes of skis he made (you could say the same for Shane on ski design). Tanner brought his own influence with gorilla steeze in contests as well as video parts. Wallisch rung in the era of urban and rail trickery with afterbang. No question that Candide is the GOAT tho

MalczykThose 3 are great and most talented. Candide with exposure and general amazing talent, Tanner with a dominant pipe career and personality and Jon for the first (consistent, sorry Mike Wilson) double flips that people figured out once he did them.

Bias here but an alt name would be Eric Pollard for product influence (unsee ski designs), bc freestyle (every edit has a powder nose butter in it) & style.

I agree Eric Pollard probably should be here to.

clout-You could make an argument for any of Shane McConkey, Mike Douglas, JP Auclair or Tom Wallisch

the problem with mike, Shane and JP is that there all older then Jon, Candide, and Tanner and I feel the three on the current list are more relevant to modern skiing, but thats only my opinion I might be wrong.

clout-You could make an argument for any of Shane McConkey, Mike Douglas, JP Auclair or Tom Wallisch

This will probably upset some here, but Wallisch has really not done much in big mountain to my knowledge. Candide, Tanner and Jon ALL have strong video parts in big mountain, and Jon has won a big mountain contest in Sweden and Candide the FWT. Wallisch has great influence in urban and park for sure, but for people who don't really care about that stuff he is simply not much of an influence. I know lots of people who spent seasons living in Tahoe, some who still live there, who love skiing and the ski industry and might seriously not know who Tom Wallisch is.

Years ago, I can't remember how many, I mentioned in a thread that people on TGR really don't care about Tom Wallisch all that much. Some woman exploded, claiming that I was wrong. What was amazing was how delusional she was, she actually thought that people over there really cared about Wallisch, which they don't. It is not meant to offend TWall, he is clearly a pioneer at the type of skiing he focuses on, but for people who don't care all that much about park and urban he is really not a big deal. I would say someone like Dane Tudor is a much bigger deal to those folks. Those guys all know quite a bit about Jon, Tanner and Candide. TWall, not so much.

Candide, Tanner and Jon have all contributed to many different facets of skiing, much more so than TWall. If you want to limit the conversation to park and urban then I can see TWall being a great influence. You guys would know better than me.

This reminds me of the famous TGR thread where they made fun of Wallisch for stretching out his tall tee...and didn't know it was Wallisch, they just posted a picture and said look at this park kid. It was hilarious.

dan4060This will probably upset some here, but Wallisch has really not done much in big mountain to my knowledge. Candide, Tanner and Jon ALL have strong video parts in big mountain, and Jon has won a big mountain contest in Sweden and Candide the FWT. Wallisch has great influence in urban and park for sure, but for people who don't really care about that stuff he is simply not much of an influence. I know lots of people who spent seasons living in Tahoe, some who still live there, who love skiing and the ski industry and might seriously not know who Tom Wallisch is.

Years ago, I can't remember how many, I mentioned in a thread that people on TGR really don't care about Tom Wallisch all that much. Some woman exploded, claiming that I was wrong. What was amazing was how delusional she was, she actually thought that people over there really cared about Wallisch, which they don't. It is not meant to offend TWall, he is clearly a pioneer at the type of skiing he focuses on, but for people who don't care all that much about park and urban he is really not a big deal. I would say someone like Dane Tudor is a much bigger deal to those folks. Those guys all know quite a bit about Jon, Tanner and Candide. TWall, not so much.

Candide, Tanner and Jon have all contributed to many different facets of skiing, much more so than TWall. If you want to limit the conversation to park and urban then I can see TWall being a great influence. You guys would know better than me.

Candide did a perfect d spin over chads in like 1998 when everyone else could barely put sloppy Un grabbed misty flips to their feet in the park. In that regard he is different than Tanner. Tanner was groomed from a young age for this and attained elite status through a sheer force of will, high end training and perseverance. Candide just has a gift from God.

Tanner without a doubt, his history in tha' streets puts him a step above

CaseyCandide did a perfect d spin over chads in like 1998 when everyone else could barely put sloppy Un grabbed misty flips to their feet in the park. In that regard he is different than Tanner. Tanner was groomed from a young age for this and attained elite status through a sheer force of will, high end training and perseverance. Candide just has a gift from God.

They both grew up in ski club type programs >>racing >>freestyle moguls >>freeskiing park>> real mountains. They both had contest results that led to serious film time and broke away to film with smaller projects when that was against the grain.
By the way: Candide’s dspin Over Chad’s gap was in 2000, sick as fuck, with no grab.

dan4060This will probably upset some here, but Wallisch has really not done much in big mountain to my knowledge....

Candide, Tanner and Jon have all contributed to many different facets of skiing, much more so than TWall. If you want to limit the conversation to park and urban then I can see TWall being a great influence. You guys would know better than me.

You're definitely not wrong there. I agree of the folks I listed he's definitely the weakest candidate. He's quite a bit younger than the rest of the guys on the list so maybe he still has time to make more impact, but I don't know if he is trying to branch out into other parts of skiing. He's not as versatile as the other guys, from what we have seen of him.

I don't think it is only the park/urban people who know him though, he has won powder polls multiple years in a row(Seth and Shane are the only other people to have done that) and won freeskier's skier of the year, I think anyone enthusiastic about skiing in general should know the guy.

He was one of the first guys to popularize edits as a way for new kids to get recognized instead of just having to throw down big results in comps to get known. I think that has done a lot for the sport, and not just in terms of park/urban.

I thought he did a great job commentating at the X Games too, perfect blend of knowledge and stoke, bringing the sport to the masses on it's biggest stage. Definitely has a big positive impact on the sport and adds to his legacy and popularity.

All of that being said I can agree he maybe isn't the same caliber as the rest of the guys on the list, but I think he's worth an honorable mention at least.

shane mcconkey enough said

yeetus_chund666shane mcconkey enough said

he is from different time period then thall and candide and Jon.

imma just bring this thread back.