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Good lord I saw this ski at REI today and the flex is downright dreamy. It basically has butter zones from the Invaders / Anthems, and a nice stiff flex underfoot. Anyone riding these? I know it's unchanged from last years besides the name (can't think of it), and the profile is the same as the old big trouble. When my UFO 100's kick it I will certainly be picking up a pair of these. Reasonable price at $499 as well. It's been a loooong time since I've been on some Dynas, I know they are the "cool" brand but damn they have always made a quality ski.
I just got myself a pair off corbetts for $400 USD and have had 2 days on them so far. Got the 187s and they're about exactly what you could wish for in an all mountain freestyle ski. The tip flex is nice for buttering and the dampness of the ski lets it ski very well in all other parts of the mountain so far! Would def recommend.
* reminder that I've only had 2 days early season on them at this point
I'm a big fan of the ski. Super versatile, can work for a lot of different people, stable but still playful, really nothing not to like for me. In case you haven't already read it, I wrote a longer review here.
They look really similar on paper, but are quite different in my experience. The Menace is more damp, way more forgiving, and overall easier to ski without being notably less stable. BO 98 feels stiffer on snow and I felt that it required much more effort (in terms of physical effort and technique) to ski fast. From my point of view, I think the majority of people will get along better with the Menace, apart from people who prefer a stiffer platform and are willing to deal with a more punishing ski.
patagonialukeI'm a big fan of the ski. Super versatile, can work for a lot of different people, stable but still playful, really nothing not to like for me. In case you haven't already read it, I wrote a longer review here.
I contacted Dynastar must be about 5 years ago now. They told me they only used sintered base on their race skis and that all their other skis were extruded bases.
Their website says nothing about base material. That's usually a clue right there.
So how do you know they are sintered? Maybe they made some changes?
DominatorJacquesI contacted Dynastar must be about 5 years ago now. They told me they only used sintered base on their race skis and that all their other skis were extruded bases.
Their website says nothing about base material. That's usually a clue right there.
So how do you know they are sintered? Maybe they made some changes?
Their rep had told us that the Menace 98 and Menace Proto used sintered bases, so that's what I was referencing (not sure if this was a recent change or not). FWIW, I didn't notice the Dynastar skis being slower, becoming slower more quickly, or being more or less durable than any of the other skis I tested last year.
patagonialukeTheir rep had told us that the Menace 98 and Menace Proto used sintered bases, so that's what I was referencing (not sure if this was a recent change or not). FWIW, I didn't notice the Dynastar skis being slower, becoming slower more quickly, or being more or less durable than any of the other skis I tested last year.
Thanks for the get back. Based on price, they certainly should be sintered.!
Looks like they may have made some changes since I contacted them. Like I said, that was like 5 years ago.
The response from them was only our "race" ski are sintered bases. All others are extruded because it would make the ski too expensive!
Many many years ago they used to have some good bases from IsoSport on their higher end skis. That good stuff does cost more than DuraSurf for sure!
Was on mine today and last Friday and very impressed with them especially for the money! Very damp and stable over rough terrain yet very easy to bend into all sorts of turn shapes. Very good edge grip as well. In the process of tweaking the edges to make them loose when I want and grip when I do. Great ski for East Coasters looking for a good all mountain twin that still can rip on harder snow groomers.
Bases are definitely sintered and are nice and quick. The narrower, cheaper Models with cap construction might be extruded bases though but not sure.
Greg_KWas on mine today and last Friday and very impressed with them especially for the money! Very damp and stable over rough terrain yet very easy to bend into all sorts of turn shapes. Very good edge grip as well. In the process of tweaking the edges to make them loose when I want and grip when I do. Great ski for East Coasters looking for a good all mountain twin that still can rip on harder snow groomers.
Bases are definitely sintered and are nice and quick. The narrower, cheaper Models with cap construction might be extruded bases though but not sure.
Nice feed back. I used to ski some old Dynastars. Such as the V-6. They had Iso-Speed bases! Others as well. Being small I did not need the V-8's
I am here on some Dynastars. The bases don't hold wax well, but I just kept waxing like crazy, and they got better.
Being half French I do like the Dynastar. My old ones were made in France!
LemuelI was content if I had to get a 181, but definitely amped that there is a 187. Trying so hard not to buy them just to hold onto right now.
As Luke mentioned in the review, the Menace 98 used to be called the Sixth Sense Slicer, then just Slicer, then Factory Slicer the last few years. Same ski, just different top sheets so if you can see a deal on any of those you get a great deal. See used 181cm pair on KSL.com right now for $100! Menace 98 retails for $499 in the US and $499 in Canada which is $375 US so lots of deals anytime at Canadian places like Corbetts.com. If you can wait till mid March when they put on their 40% off sale like I did this Spring, they will be $300 CAN/$230 US!
Does anyone know how these ski performs in comparison to the bent 100. I good a sweat deal for the bent at a local shop, but the menace seems nicer. Sorry if it’s not really related but I didn’t want to do another thread about the menace.
Greg_KAs Luke mentioned in the review, the Menace 98 used to be called the Sixth Sense Slicer, then just Slicer, then Factory Slicer the last few years. Same ski, just different top sheets so if you can see a deal on any of those you get a great deal. See used 181cm pair on KSL.com right now for $100! Menace 98 retails for $499 in the US and $499 in Canada which is $375 US so lots of deals anytime at Canadian places like Corbetts.com. If you can wait till mid March when they put on their 40% off sale like I did this Spring, they will be $300 CAN/$230 US!
DominatorJacquesThe top of that Menece line is like $800.00
The low end........yea.
As Luke mentioned, the Menace 98($500 CAN) and Menace Proto($850 CAN) will definitely have those sintered bases. The My First Menace kids skis that are $199 CAN and that includes bindings, probably not. Lol
Greg_KAs Luke mentioned, the Menace 98($500 CAN) and Menace Proto($850 CAN) will definitely have those sintered bases. The My First Menace kids skis that are $199 CAN and that includes bindings, probably not. Lol
Yes. Thanks. There are several levels of the same name ski! Can be confusing.
nicofogliaDoes anyone know how these ski performs in comparison to the bent 100. I good a sweat deal for the bent at a local shop, but the menace seems nicer. Sorry if it’s not really related but I didn’t want to do another thread about the menace.
Both great skis for the money and both you can always get deals on. Bent 100 is around $600 CAN retail but often see it for less and the Menace 98 is $500 CAN retail.
Both skis are fairly soft up front with stiffer sections underfoot(Bent 100 a hair stiffer underfoot) and then softer tails(Bent stays a bit firmer on the tail still). Both have minimal tip/tail taper but maybe a bit more on the Bent and the Menace has deeper, but fairly flat rocker lines. So both have very good edge grip with the Bent with it more traditional flex, is a bit stronger carver on groomers I’d say. Menace a bit more easy to pivot but still very good grip when put on edge. Both are fairly playful on their “all mountain” factory binding mount points but get more fun and better in the park when moved up.
The biggest difference is their weight as the Bent 100 is around 1700 grams in the 180cm and the Menace 98 is 2100 grams in the 181cm. So Bent much lighter on it’s feet and a great ski if you wanted to 50/50 it. The extra weight on the Menace 98 is what makes it so stable and great in crud. Still light swing weight when the mount is moved up from the All Mountain Mark.
So a light, perfect 50/50 ski and stable for it weight, the Bent 100. A heavier yet more playful, damp feeling ski that’s great in rough terrain, Menace 98.
Newschoolers and specifically @Greg_K and @patagonialuke convinced me to get mine....dynstar freeride/freestyle line seems to be getting more relevant as of recently!
patagonialukeI'm a big fan of the ski. Super versatile, can work for a lot of different people, stable but still playful, really nothing not to like for me. In case you haven't already read it, I wrote a longer review here.
I'm getting conflicting info and dynastar doesn't like english and are hard to contact - do these skis have metal in em? At least just for the binding area?
BiffbarfI'm getting conflicting info and dynastar doesn't like english and are hard to contact - do these skis have metal in em? At least just for the binding area?
Definitely not through the whole ski, but I can’t remember if I had to drill through metal underfoot. I’ll check our pair and get back to you.
BiffbarfI'm getting conflicting info and dynastar doesn't like english and are hard to contact - do these skis have metal in em? At least just for the binding area?
patagonialukeDefinitely not through the whole ski, but I can’t remember if I had to drill through metal underfoot. I’ll check our pair and get back to you.
Like the Black Ops 98 there is metal underfoot in the binding area of the Menace 98. Listed on spec sheets as having “Ti insert” or being “re-enforced with metal”.
**This post was edited on Dec 2nd 2019 at 9:18:42am
Greg_KLike the Black Ops 98 there is metal underfoot in the binding area of the Menace 98. Listed on spec sheets as having “Ti insert” or being “re-enforced with metal”.
**This post was edited on Dec 2nd 2019 at 9:18:42am
Right on, thanks. I saw that on retailers websites but couldn't find anything directly on dynastar's website so I wasn't sure.
Saw these things again at a shop earlier tonight too....Looks like a fun ski honestly. Im assuming its intended that you throw a pair of forza pivots on there haha
**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2019 at 8:32:37pm
DeebieSkeebiesSaw these things again at a shop earlier tonight too....Looks like a fun ski honestly. Im assuming its intended that you throw a pair of forza pivots on there haha
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Funny you should mention the Forza pivots-SkiEssentials review pair in the first pic and Freeride review pair in the second both with them! New Flash Yellow Attack2 bindings would match the sidewall and bases so they should look great too.
Was on my pair today after getting the bases Stone grinded flat(they were a bit edge high so a little grabby and harder to turn) and then I touched up the edges. REALLY liking them now! Easy to ski yet very stable and damp.
**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2019 at 9:33:39pm
Greg_KFunny you should mention the Forza pivots-SkiEssentials review pair in the first pic and Freeride review pair in the second both with them! New Flash Yellow Attack2 bindings would match the sidewall and bases so they should look great too.
Was on my pair today after getting the bases Stone grinded flat(they were a bit edge high so a little grabby and harder to turn) and then I touched up the edges. REALLY liking them now! Easy to ski yet very stable and damp.
**This post was edited on Dec 4th 2019 at 9:33:39pm
I think these pics are from the day i saw a Dynastar tent at Snowbird and saw them in person too.....Pretty fresh skis and im glad you all enjoy them
Loving the 181cm but wanted them even more stable at speed so just picked up a pair in the 187cm size with some matching Flash Yellow Attacks. Measured them @patagonialuke and they were 2240 grams and 2238grams with a touch stiffer flex flex than the 181cm. Thinking they will be fun!
Greg_KLoving the 181cm but wanted them even more stable at speed so just picked up a pair in the 187cm size with some matching Flash Yellow Attacks. Measured them @patagonialuke and they were 2240 grams and 2238grams with a touch stiffer flex flex than the 181cm. Thinking they will be fun!
Sick! I've been waiting to mount our 187's and can't wait to get back on that ski. Ours came in at 2222 & 2229 g. Once they open some longer / steeper terrain here, I'm slapping bindings on them and can't wait to let them run.
patagonialukeSick! I've been waiting to mount our 187's and can't wait to get back on that ski. Ours came in at 2222 & 2229 g. Once they open some longer / steeper terrain here, I'm slapping bindings on them and can't wait to let them run.
Hope you get a crisp high five from your dynastar rep because I copped these because of your review (and they were cheap).
patagonialukeSick! I've been waiting to mount our 187's and can't wait to get back on that ski. Ours came in at 2222 & 2229 g. Once they open some longer / steeper terrain here, I'm slapping bindings on them and can't wait to let them run.
My 27gram heavier pair(that’s almost an ounce) are going to charge WAY harder but yours should be a hair more playful.....😂😂
Awesome deal!!! Did you read the Blistergear review on them as they discussed mounting points?
“Park” Line is 1.75cm back from center and “all mountain” line is 7.75cm back from center. Blister reviewers went in between the 2 lines, so -3cm from park/+3 cm from all mountain line for an all mountain freestyle/park mount of 4.75cm back from center. I use mine more all mountain than park, so I went 5.75cm back from center or +2cm from all mountain.
Loving my 187cm versions! They rip. Did find they needed a base grind to be flat and when I got them ground they were easy to ski yet grip when you want them to.
What are you all thinking about mounting point? Do people still like splitting the lines? 4.75 cm back from center?
I don't have any big plans for the park. Probably not even going to hit a box this season.
While riding these I am planning to work on my all mountain switch riding and will also be doing some side hits and smedium jumps. For some reason I am thinking 4.75cm seems a little ways back. These things are more rockered in the tip than tail so maybe they still feel centered mounted there? I want to feel centered on the ski.
Anyone been riding on these things lately? What do you think?
Yeah, the sweet spot on them is massive — when I moved the bindings a cm or two I couldn't really notice a difference. Moving them from, say, the rearward line all the way to the forward line definitely makes a difference in terms of stance and swing weight, but the ski skis great throughout that entire range, which is kinda crazy.
patagonialukeYeah, the sweet spot on them is massive — when I moved the bindings a cm or two I couldn't really notice a difference. Moving them from, say, the rearward line all the way to the forward line definitely makes a difference in terms of stance and swing weight, but the ski skis great throughout that entire range, which is kinda crazy.
did you ever ski them on the park line? what is the furthest forward you tried them?
OregonDeaddid you ever ski them on the park line? what is the furthest forward you tried them?
I'm no ski reviewer like Luke but mine are mounted on park line and I love them...granted, I like having a bit of tail in my ski but seriously such a great time in all terrain at the park line mount. Even if I didn't ski park I'd put them in the same spot
OregonDeaddid you ever ski them on the park line? what is the furthest forward you tried them?
I skied them a bit there and I thought they were fine, but as someone who typically prefers mount points in the -7 to -4 cm range, I stuck with -5 or -4 cm as my preferred spot. I don't spin all that much and like to be able to drive the shovels of my skis, so I loved them there (I wanted a bit more ski in front of me when they were mounted around -2).
tyler1719I'm no ski reviewer like Luke but mine are mounted on park line and I love them...granted, I like having a bit of tail in my ski but seriously such a great time in all terrain at the park line mount. Even if I didn't ski park I'd put them in the same spot
patagonialukeI skied them a bit there and I thought they were fine, but as someone who typically prefers mount points in the -7 to -4 cm range, I stuck with -5 or -4 cm as my preferred spot. I don't spin all that much and like to be able to drive the shovels of my skis, so I loved them there (I wanted a bit more ski in front of me when they were mounted around -2).
thanks. not really making this an easy decision although I guess I can rest easy on the assurance of a big sweet spot. I was really looking at the forward line when I first started looking at these but then started seeing reviews about people splitting the lines and loving it. probably go closer to the front like but still undecided. decisions decisions
OregonDeadthanks. not really making this an easy decision although I guess I can rest easy on the assurance of a big sweet spot. I was really looking at the forward line when I first started looking at these but then started seeing reviews about people splitting the lines and loving it. probably go closer to the front like but still undecided. decisions decisions
Agree that unless you’re doing mostly park with these, a bit back from the Park line will make them more stable, carve better and better in powder or crud. Splitting the lines should be perfect. The only time I’d maybe go closer to the park line with your use would be if you’re upsizing to a longer length and want to make them ski a bit shorter.
What length did you get and what’s your height/weight?
OregonDeadthanks. not really making this an easy decision although I guess I can rest easy on the assurance of a big sweet spot. I was really looking at the forward line when I first started looking at these but then started seeing reviews about people splitting the lines and loving it. probably go closer to the front like but still undecided. decisions decisions
there's a possibility i get a pair myself and i was also overthinking the big mounting range. what these dudes are saying is what route i decided to take for sure if i get them-- mount em right between the 2 and be done with it
