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gengar.Idk what vail resorts are near you but...
id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.
SkiBum.Because park city is empty and ski on every day...
gengar.I’m not saying park city is a ghost town, but have you been up the cottonwoods lately? It’s a disaster.
gengar.Idk what vail resorts are near you but...
id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.
BlumpkinPumpkinI respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.
Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.
I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)
so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.
BlumpkinPumpkinI respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.
Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.
I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)
so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.
BlumpkinPumpkinI respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.
Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.
I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)
so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.
BlumpkinPumpkinI respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.
Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.
I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)
so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.
Young_IPMCTrain’s pretty neat, but more buses and restrictions on driving would be significantly easier and cheaper
BlumpkinPumpkinWhat do you mean by driving restrictions? You mean actually enforcing chain laws or something else?
gengar.Idk what vail resorts are near you but...
id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.
ski_steeTo play Devils advocate;
Abasin midweek day this season on IKON pass: >700 skiers
Abasin last year on the same day midweek with EPIC pass: 2800+ skiers
ski_steeTo play Devils advocate;
Abasin midweek day this season on IKON pass: >700 skiers
Abasin last year on the same day midweek with EPIC pass: 2800+ skiers
Young_IPMCLike only certain registration months or plate number characters can drive up on certain days of the month. There can be some randomness added when choosing the days each month for fairness. But yeah, the chain enforcement is good too.
BlumpkinPumpkinAs much as I applaud your enthusiasm for this, not gonna happen. You can't turn a highway into a lottery system. There's gotta be some constitutional rights violated if you say "only residents with these plates can drive on these roads during these months". Not to mention resorts would never allow it because it would lose them a fuck ton of money.
Chain laws/ 4wd/awd snow tire laws are your best bet for preventing jams due to accidents. They're loosely regulated nearly everywhere I go.
PeppermillRenoAnyone who works for Vail ever pick up an employee pass at a different mountain than your gonna be working at?
Im doing the Crested Butte boot pack thing. I wanna pick up my pass at Stowe opening day after tDB Burlington.
BlumpkinPumpkinAs much as I applaud your enthusiasm for this, not gonna happen. You can't turn a highway into a lottery system. There's gotta be some constitutional rights violated if you say "only residents with these plates can drive on these roads during these months". Not to mention resorts would never allow it because it would lose them a fuck ton of money.
Chain laws/ 4wd/awd snow tire laws are your best bet for preventing jams due to accidents. They're loosely regulated nearly everywhere I go.
Young_IPMCIt’d be certain rotating days of the month. The Utah driver’s handbook explicitly says that driving is a privilege, not a right.
I get that this is super unpopular, but there’s too many cars, even ones with 4wd and snow tires. And nobody is going to take public transit or carpool unless they’re forced to or have to pay exorbitant amounts to park. Btw parking on the street is free in certain areas up there currently. So the two options are that you can basically say, “only rich people can park in LCC” or you can increase the volume of buses used to get up there and still allow some people to drive up at any time, residents included
Young_IPMCIt’d be certain rotating days of the month. The Utah driver’s handbook explicitly says that driving is a privilege, not a right.
I get that this is super unpopular, but there’s too many cars, even ones with 4wd and snow tires. And nobody is going to take public transit or carpool unless they’re forced to or have to pay exorbitant amounts to park. Btw parking on the street is free in certain areas up there currently. So the two options are that you can basically say, “only rich people can park in LCC” or you can increase the volume of buses used to get up there and still allow some people to drive up at any time, residents included
loshDude, you're overlooking the fact that this is America. You can't tell people they're not allowed to get into their cars and drive to a specific public destination for so many reasons.
Young_IPMCWhich are?
BlumpkinPumpkinYou can't selectively restrict road access to public roads. Only thing you could do is add tolls to deter people towards cheaper public transportation.
Young_IPMCDenali has a road lottery. If you don’t win, must take the bus or walk. Yes, LCC is not inside a park, but Denali isn’t backed up to hell and works decently.
BiffbarfI'm not sure if this is an apples-apples comparison, as traffic seems less a concern than preservation of the park.
What is much more likely I feel is resorts running privatized transport that would be cheaper than exorbitant parking costs. I don't know much about what goes on on the utah side of the rockies as far as traffic and parking is concerned, but this is the direction that epic and a few other resorts seem to be going. Leave the gov out of it and let the resorts handle the situation.
PyduckAll I know is when it came to trying to work out something with Vail I quickly learned what they were about.Make the sale ! Customer service is a joke they hide behind the one phone number.With what they have for cash behind them they could wake up and go in another direction and improve their image and service.So for now they suck ,and I am sorry if Mr SKI BUM doesn’t want to hear it.
