Twintip carver/short turn radius?

Do you want poppy/stiff playful or flexy playful?

surfaceoutsidersDo you want poppy/stiff playful or flexy playful?

Stiff/playful

AlvinbStiff/playful

Surface park blanks, these are short tho:
https://www.the-house.com/8960supb19zz-surface-skis.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA2ITuBRDkARIsAMK9Q7MpTKlMlUEkW5fiAuO2T-DSU8fm0BeX00U7Zp6RcMvBYIfigkFW4_saAiUiEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Vishnu wet plus? 6/10 flex, idk about turn radius but is probably small bc swerve
K2 Poacher but that's 98mm wide
I have a feeling that Atomic Punx are stiffy uh but idk for sure
On3p Magnus
Faction Prodigy 1.0?

Btw I'm a n00b who hasn't demoed these skis, I'm just going off reviews

**This post was edited on Nov 5th 2019 at 10:09:24am

No such thing as a super narrow twin tip carver with short turning radius below 90mm out there really. Either wider ones like the Fisher Ranger 94FR or you go to a narrow comp stoke park skis.
Head Framewall(84mm) is one of the best carvers out there but not super playful as it’s fairly stiff. Very damp and stable at high speeds but like most comp style twins that are built for higher speeds, the turn radius is higher (20m in the 181cm). Use a pair myself as a harder snow/mogul ski and they are great. Still fun at lower speeds but carves very well at higher speeds.
Head The Caddy is a little more playful and lighter than the Framewall but still a great all around park/groomer ski that carves well. Neither have beefy edges or bases and use fast race bases instead so not as good for rails but great on jumps and groomers.

Greg_KNo such thing as a super narrow twin tip carver with short turning radius below 90mm out there really. Either wider ones like the Fisher Ranger 94FR or you go to a narrow comp stoke park skis.
Head Framewall(84mm) is one of the best carvers out there but not super playful as it’s fairly stiff. Very damp and stable at high speeds but like most comp style twins that are built for higher speeds, the turn radius is higher (20m in the 181cm). Use a pair myself as a harder snow/mogul ski and they are great. Still fun at lower speeds but carves very well at higher speeds.
Head The Caddy is a little more playful and lighter than the Framewall but still a great all around park/groomer ski that carves well. Neither have beefy edges or bases and use fast race bases instead so not as good for rails but great on jumps and groomers.

Skied mostly Head Caddys for the past 4ish years. They absolutely rip bumps, and I have so much confidence laying into slalom/gs turns. Never met the skis relative top speed that you get out of most noodles/rockered skis. Ridiculously stable for how soft they are. A bit lighter than the Framewall, and it took me 2 years of park skiing to lose edge underfoot; the same amount of time to do that to Volkl Walls, which are way more 2x4 like.

@Greg_K
@finder
What is the turn radius on the head caddy 171cm.
And the head frame wall 161,171cm.

How would you compare the Nordica Soul Rider 87,Head caddy and Head frame wall.

**This post was edited on Nov 5th 2019 at 12:46:19pm

That’s for the Framewall but The Caddy will be the same. The only difference between those two is the Framewall has the 360 degree sidewall that helps protect the ski from chipping but also stiffens and dampens the ski a bit while adding a bit of weight.

Soul Rider(either width) are much softer skis so more playful but not as stable or as strong carving around speed as the Caddy or Framewall.

Caddy and Framewall have just changed top sheet graphics over the last few years so deals out there on both for older versions too.

Greg_K

That’s for the Framewall but The Caddy will be the same. The only difference between those two is the Framewall has the 360 degree sidewall that helps protect the ski from chipping but also stiffens and dampens the ski a bit while adding a bit of weight.

Soul Rider(either width) are much softer skis so more playful but not as stable or as strong carving around speed as the Caddy or Framewall.

Caddy and Framewall have just changed top sheet graphics over the last few years so deals out there on both for older versions too.

So all the older versions are all the same as the new ones?

AlvinbSo all the older versions are all the same as the new ones?

Yes. From 2015 on, just the colors on the topsheet and sidewall have changed.

Have seen deals for 2019 Framewalls with Attack2 13 bindings for $510 CAN/$390 US and they have the 171cm in stock. These skis like most skis will be softer in the shorter lengths too so the 171cm Framewall will be softer than the 176cm or 181cm.

**This post was edited on Nov 5th 2019 at 1:27:02pm

Greg_KYes. From 2015 on, just the colors on the topsheet and sidewall have changed.

Have seen deals for 2019 Framewalls with Attack2 13 bindings for $510 CAN/$390 US and they have the 171cm in stock. These skis like most skis will be softer in the shorter lengths too so the 171cm Framewall will be softer than the 176cm or 181cm.

**This post was edited on Nov 5th 2019 at 1:27:02pm

Two questions.

1. What length should I get I am 15 years old 174cm(5'8") 60kg(132lbs). I am Intermediate-advanced skier.

2. Shouldn't Nordica Soul Rider 87 be better at carving than the framewall, Caddy? It has a narrower turn radius at 15m and the framewall/caddy 17.8m.

AlvinbTwo questions.

1. What length should I get I am 15 years old 174cm(5'8") 60kg(132lbs). I am Intermediate-advanced skier.

2. Shouldn't Nordica Soul Rider 87 be better at carving than the framewall, Caddy? It has a narrower turn radius at 15m and the framewall/caddy 17.8m.

171cm should be a good length/flex for you in a ski like the Framewall.

Turning radius is just telling you the approximate shape of the turn the ski will naturally like to do when on edge. Lower radius skis like doing shorter turns but are less stable at speed as they want to keep turning rather than going straight. Longer radius skis are more comfortable going straight but can turn shorter than their stated radius when properly flexed.
Flex, tip/tail shape etc will also effect the carving capability. Stiffer skis like the Framewall with little tip/tail taper will allow more bite when tipped on edge and a very powerful carve.