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Anyone here have experience with the PB&J?

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Foxtrotx1
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Selling my ARV96s to help a buddy out with his first twins/skis. Anyone have experience with the Moment PB&J for park progression mixed with mostly mountain skiing? This would be my low tide/hard pack ski, as I already have a fatter Kartel as well.

I just want to make sure it can fill the role the 96 had, which is to pop off when I eat it on a box or trying to 180.

Ready to pull the trigger, but wanted to see what you guys thought.

Thanks!!
Oct 25 2019 4:46PM
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vibecheck
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Sandwich
Oct 25 2019 7:42PM
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Foxtrotx1
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vibecheckSandwich


They are soooooo goood.
Oct 25 2019 8:46PM
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vibecheck
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Foxtrotx1They are soooooo goood.


Fosure, you like em toasted or soft bread
Oct 25 2019 8:56PM
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Greg_K
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Had a pair last season in between some 94mm underfoot skis and my Bibby’s. They are nice and stable for their weight in crud and carve decently in softer snow but not great on harder snow and had tip dive in powder with them. Love my Bibby’s and think the Wildcat 108 is great but not as big a fan of the PB&J if you’re skiing somewhere with harder snow.
Replaced them with Enforcer 104 Free which vastly outperform them on hard snow and in powder. They aren’t really a park/all mountain freestyle ski though, so I added the Dynastar Slicer Factory(renamed Menace 98 this year) and it’s great on hard snow, park, bumps and a bit of fresh. Great ski and great value.

How old were your ARV96 skis? They upgraded them last year so a newer version would be an upgrade if so and you also have the option for a 96Ti version which is more damp and stable over the regular version.

Black Ops 98, Master Blaster 96, Jeffery 96 also great skis in that range.
Oct 25 2019 9:05PM
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Foxtrotx1
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Greg_KHad a pair last season in between some 94mm underfoot skis and my Bibby’s. They are nice and stable for their weight in crud and carve decently in softer snow but not great on harder snow and had tip dive in powder with them. Love my Bibby’s and think the Wildcat 108 is great but not as big a fan of the PB&J if you’re skiing somewhere with harder snow.
Replaced them with Enforcer 104 Free which vastly outperform them on hard snow and in powder. They aren’t really a park/all mountain freestyle ski though, so I added the Dynastar Slicer Factory(renamed Menace 98 this year) and it’s great on hard snow, park, bumps and a bit of fresh. Great ski and great value.

How old were your ARV96 skis? They upgraded them last year so a newer version would be an upgrade if so and you also have the option for a 96Ti version which is more damp and stable over the regular version.

Black Ops 98, Master Blaster 96, Jeffery 96 also great skis in that range.

2018/19 ARV96s. Skied them about 30 days. I'm not to worried about pow performance since I'll likely always have my k108s or 116s with me. Hardest snow I see is AZ hard pack, which never seems too bad. I ski the K108 on that.
Oct 28 2019 3:16AM
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Greg_K
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I’d say Jeffrey 96 then to keep up the great ON3P theme going there. Lighter in the air then your others and better on groomers.
Oct 28 2019 7:29AM
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Foxtrotx1
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Greg_KI’d say Jeffrey 96 then to keep up the great ON3P theme going there. Lighter in the air then your others and better on groomers.


Shit. I had not even thought about it. Wish I could compare the Jeff and PB side by side.
Oct 28 2019 7:16PM
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Greg_K
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Foxtrotx1Shit. I had not even thought about it. Wish I could compare the Jeff and PB side by side.

Jeffrey a little more loose and surfy but with it’s heavier weight, more solid over rougher terrain. Would be like your existing skis but quicker edge to edge and lighter swing weight. Easier in the park than the 108 and better on harder snow.
Oct 28 2019 8:29PM
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Kevski
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Went through the same thought process this year picking my low tide fun ski. Started looking Moment because I've heard so many good things, but in chatting with them realized I was after a slightly softer, slightly narrower PB&J (probably woulda gone PB&Jib if they still made it and had some in my size) but ended up with the Jeffrey 96 to complement my K108s that I already love and am used to. Very excited. Haven't taken them on snow but already even just a side by side comparison on the feet the 96 is so much lighter to swish around in the air.

Will wait on Moment till I've got the funds for a pow ski and can get on some wildcats.
Oct 28 2019 8:59PM
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Foxtrotx1
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Greg_KJeffrey a little more loose and surfy but with it’s heavier weight, more solid over rougher terrain. Would be like your existing skis but quicker edge to edge and lighter swing weight. Easier in the park than the 108 and better on harder snow.


This is handy info, appreciate all of it. Leaning towards adding the 96 to finalize the quiver and replace the ARV.

I have not skied many types of skis (Friend's Rossi 88hd, ARV96, K108 and rentals are it), so I always wonder if i'm missing out much on different styles/performance by living in the Kartel line, but i'm guessing you can get the K96-116 to ski anything well if you have the skills.

I'm also guessing the 96 would also be a fun bump ski, maybe better than the PBJ.

**This post was edited on Oct 28th 2019 at 10:26:48pm
Oct 28 2019 9:29PM
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Greg_K
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Yes, Jeffrey 96 would be a very fun bump ski and lighter on it’s feet in there compared to the 108.

Didn’t like the PB&Js as much but LOVE my Bibby’s. In the wider width, they become better in pow of course but still remain very versatile even when it’s not a big snow day and are great in tracked out powder and crud without being heavy. Wildcat and Wildcat 108 are fantastic skis and would recommend them to anyone.
Oct 28 2019 10:42PM
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Foxtrotx1
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Greg_KYes, Jeffrey 96 would be a very fun bump ski and lighter on it’s feet in there compared to the 108.

Didn’t like the PB&Js as much but LOVE my Bibby’s. In the wider width, they become better in pow of course but still remain very versatile even when it’s not a big snow day and are great in tracked out powder and crud without being heavy. Wildcat and Wildcat 108 are fantastic skis and would recommend them to anyone.


Thanks Greg. Big purchases are always nerve wracking and you guys make it easier. Sounds like i'm going to be much happier on the 96 over the PBJ, and over my Armadas. When I got the K108 I mostly stopped skiing the ARV96, but I found myself wishing I had something lighter to learn on in the park. The k108 is an awesome spring slush ski.
Oct 29 2019 1:05AM
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tcurle
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The PBJ is my sole park ski and spring ski at Squaw. I've also been on it for 7 years and love the things. Where are you skiing at?
Oct 29 2019 9:50PM
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Foxtrotx1
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tcurleThe PBJ is my sole park ski and spring ski at Squaw. I've also been on it for 7 years and love the things. Where are you skiing at?


Oh shit, just heard about you on the Gear 30 podcast.

I'm stuck in AZ (last year of grad school), so most day's at AZ Snowbowl. Not super hard snow, but between storms it's hard. I have Ikon this year, so Squaw, Mammoth and SLC will be on the menu. Moving soon, so trying to keep the west coast in mind.
Oct 29 2019 9:58PM
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tcurle
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Foxtrotx1Oh shit, just heard about you on the Gear 30 podcast.

I'm stuck in AZ (last year of grad school), so most day's at AZ Snowbowl. Not super hard snow, but between storms it's hard. I have Ikon this year, so Squaw, Mammoth and SLC will be on the menu. Moving soon, so trying to keep the west coast in mind.


I haven't skied the ARV but from what I know it would fill that role. The PBJ is relatively stiff with a good sidecut to get a good grip when it is firm. The rocker profile makes it pretty lively as well, so it is a great park ski. I like the 101 underfoot better on rails and jumps than some other skis. We have some days where big lines open in the spring and I'll go from the park to hitting some larger cliffs in the same day. So while I definitely prefer the Wildcat for this, as many have mentioned above, the PBJ is still easily capable of big lines on firm snow when you get that opportunity.
Oct 29 2019 11:00PM
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Foxtrotx1
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tcurleI haven't skied the ARV but from what I know it would fill that role. The PBJ is relatively stiff with a good sidecut to get a good grip when it is firm. The rocker profile makes it pretty lively as well, so it is a great park ski. I like the 101 underfoot better on rails and jumps than some other skis. We have some days where big lines open in the spring and I'll go from the park to hitting some larger cliffs in the same day. So while I definitely prefer the Wildcat for this, as many have mentioned above, the PBJ is still easily capable of big lines on firm snow when you get that opportunity.


Thanks for the info. Sounds like it's not terrible for hard stuff. How do you like it in the bumps?

Hope you guys have a good season in Reno.
Oct 29 2019 11:47PM
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tcurle
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Foxtrotx1Thanks for the info. Sounds like it's not terrible for hard stuff. How do you like it in the bumps?

Hope you guys have a good season in Reno.


At my old home hill we had a whole mogul field before we could get to the park. It's pretty easy to pivot underfoot. Fatter tip and tail than the ARV but with the rocker I've really never gotten caught up or anything. I think the skinnier the better for riding mogul skis, but the PBJ is also the skinniest ski in my quiver so for me it's my go to.
Oct 30 2019 8:35PM
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