Shortest "adult" park ski?

Young_IPMCAt that length, you’d probably have to go to a woman specific design. Just checking evo rn shows the honeybee in size 144 and 155.

**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2019 at 5:10:15pm

nmwninjartHead caddy skis?
Why such a short ski?

Greg_KThe Caddy or the Stiffer Framewall starts the “adult” sizes at 161cm and the jr kids versions goes from 131cm-151cm. Just a bit of Flat rocker to prevent tips catching so mostly camber.

Kids around 80-90lbs skiing the 151cm version and those over 100lbs maybe the 161cm. Like all skis, they will be softer in the shorter lengths. Smaller adults/teens will be on the 171cm or 176cm.

jakeordieSounds like you have hands-on experience with skis like this, how would you compare the Caddy Jr in 151 to Armada Coda in 150.....stiffer? Stronger/more durable? Or pretty much the same.

Greg_KArmada Coda has cap construction, extruded bases and very soft flex so it will be durable on rails and will resist topsheet chipping more. Great kids ski but I sure wouldn’t be putting an Adult on them.
The Caddy has a full sidewalk and I THINK the Jr version does too along with faster(but not as beefy) race bases. I know Head The Show uses cap construction so it might be more similar to the Armada Coda although the 154cm Show will be stiffer. Again, great kids skis but get an Adult versions for an Adult.

Looking online, I guess the Framewall starts their sizes at 161cm and the non jr Caddy at 171cm, so your best bet on a ski for a VERY small adult would be the 161cm Framewall. Framewall is the Caddy with a 360 degree wrap around sidewall that makes it a bit stiffer, damper and helps resist chipping. Fantastic ski if someone is not skiing many rails.

jakeordieYeah, but what I'm really after is like a 151 Framewall.....I've skied AR7s in 161 and NFXs in 160, and both made me feel like I could go 150 if the ski was built right.

That Caddy Jr looks about as close as I'll get.

4FRNTDevastator Jr. 147cm or 157cm. Same construction as our other skis, just in a smaller package. Sandwich construction, full camber, 98mm waist.

https://4frnt.com/products/devastator-jr

jakeordieLooking for something that probably don't exist;

- full sandwich construction
- full camber
- close to 80mm waist
- close to 150cm length

The closest I've seen are all-mountain youth skis (e.g. Faction CT 0.5, Rossi Black Ops 80) but they're rockered, and at 150 I need all the running length I can get. Is there any "adult" park ski shorter than mid-160s?

**This thread was edited on Oct 19th 2019 at 3:41:20pm

jakeordieBumping this thread with a couple new options;

- Elan Slingshot in 149cm
- Atomic Bent 85 in 150cm

I get the impression neither one is full sidewall, but neither line seems to be pitched as junior skis. Any feedback on how these will hold up as "adult" skis? Thanks!

powpatrolIt’s been 3 years dude why do you want these short kiddo skies so bad

jakeordieI started skiing at 37, too old for my knee ligaments to get the message and level up like they do for skiers that start young. But I've been sending on blades forever, so landing bolts is no problem. Short skis is one more thing I can do to keep myself in the game as long as possible.

LenntHead Oblivion JR Junior comes in 151 and 161 both with an 82mm waist. Its pretty much exactly what you are describing.

jakeordieThanks for the heads-up on this one. Head says the Oblivion has a "beefed up construction" compared to the Caddy, not sure if this applies to the Jr. I kinda held off on the Caddy Jr because of the weird sizing transition they use.....might sound like semantics, but I'd be much happier if the Jr line ended at 141 and the 151 got pitched as an adult ski. Or just drop the Jr and let young & old choose their length from 131 up to 181.

LenntIn terms of Head JR is their 9 ~15 line and JRS is their childrens line. The JR line is just as tough as the Adult line in terms of build quality. It just has a different flex profile than the adult line. Also they are priced lower than the adult line because they use less material. If you go to a Slalom or a Mogul ski they will likely have something in the 150s that has a flex pattern for an average adults height and weight. I too enjoy a shorter ski in the park sometimes but the smallest Ill go is around 160. I skiied the Caddy JR in 161 and didnt have any issues with proformance or durability. However I think having something closer to 90 waist is more comfortable on rails so Ive kinda transitioned away from the 80s. If you have a problem with the JR part of the name you can always throw a white or red sticker over that part of the ski and it will look exactly like the adult ski.

jakeordieThe word Jr on the topsheet is no problem. The flex pattern as you said and other construction details are the problem. I like that JLev got rid of the Max and offers the Joyride in Max lengths, it takes that grey area out of the equation. Ski companies can tell themselves the Jr matters less 'cos little Johnny weighs 80lb and dad's the one paying.

I don't really want to ski 90 underfoot but if the tip & tail width is in the same ballpark as short 80s then it's an option.

Are there any true twin slalom or mogul skis?

LenntThe JR line is just as tough as the Adult line in terms of build quality. It just has a different flex profile than the adult line.

jakeordieMaybe I misunderstood when you said;



I read this as meaning the Jr in 151 would have a different flex profile than a theoretical adult line 151. In other brands, I've noticed a big step down in stiffness from their high-150s adult line skis to their low 150s youth line skis.

So I'm not keen to get suckered by marketing hype in buying a junior ski. What I really want is like a 151 Framewall or a 150 NFX, but most brands step down to Jr construction in the mid 150s.

The one ski that might change my mind is the Bent 90 in 157.....that HRZN tech will make them ski shorter and narrower in tip & tail than the numbers say. Might even be able to dremel that ABS down a bit :)