Tried some boots on today and...

You should just go to a good bootfitter first.
He’ll tell you which one fits your foot the best.

But otherwise, the salomon boots sound good. It should be snug everywhere on your foot.. like a firm handshake. It shouldnt hurt! After a couple of hours in the boots, you will break in the liner. It should fit well by this point.

If the boots are still a little tight, you can heat mold them. It should only be done after wearing the boots a couple time, just to be sure you really need it. You can always make a boot bigger but not tighter.

hope it helps

Do you have anyone who can shell check you in some boots? That is the only way to know for sure which will work.

Word of advice though the boots you mention can only grow in volume (width , height) with moulding, not the length.

You can get length perhaps by moulding the liner or by using a footbeds or after you have tried that by punching the shell.

You ou want your heel secure though if it is lose at all now it will only get worse. Try to see if you can get someone to shell check some boots for you and recommend what is best.

SavageBiffcurrent boots Rossi track 130 104mm , think they’re too big , or the boots below are a “closer fit to my shape “

triedthe 2020 modes of
Salomon s pro max 130 ( 100mm ) as it sits , quite snug , lil small but feels fuckin amazing at the same time and like it really holds the ankle so I have a ?

with heat molding Salomon says it can expand 6 mm in the toe , think I need 1 or 2 mm , the ankle could actually shrink , anyone believe this or have experience? Does the boot perform well ?

i also tried atomic magma 130 , 102 mm fit close to perfect , allowed my heel to lift tho in the same size 26.5 , ( 25.5 too small ) and just didn’t feel as “ intuitive “ just wearing no skiing

gonna wear a hawk prime for an hour which is 100mm !too small! But says can expand with heat molding a lil before I make up my mind , so same question as above

also how do I measure/tell if I need low medium or high arch support ?


ps coulda dm a few boot fitters who have been nice to talk to me on here but I like the community input and maybe something here can help someone else too

shred seasons here!!! There was plenty of time to get ready now there’s like .... not as much

I've had the salomon 3d mold and it really does help adjust a few mm to what you need

Can't comment on fit, but I used the Salomon S/Pro 130 for 10-ish days last season and was pretty happy with it. For a light boot, I thought its flex felt like a pretty legit 130 (though there are definitely some stiffer "130-flex" boots out there). But overall there wasn't really anything I could complain about. It doesn't feel quite as "plush" or damp when skiing fast on really rough snow compared to heavier boots, but it doesn't feel that harsh and its flex pattern felt nice and progressive (easy to flex initially, then ramps up), unlike some lighter boots I've used that have pretty linear flex patterns.

tomPietrowskiDo you have anyone who can shell check you in some boots? That is the only way to know for sure which will work.

Word of advice though the boots you mention can only grow in volume (width , height) with moulding, not the length.

You can get length perhaps by moulding the liner or by using a footbeds or after you have tried that by punching the shell.

You ou want your heel secure though if it is lose at all now it will only get worse. Try to see if you can get someone to shell check some boots for you and recommend what is best.

patagonialukeCan't comment on fit, but I used the Salomon S/Pro 130 for 10-ish days last season and was pretty happy with it. For a light boot, I thought its flex felt like a pretty legit 130 (though there are definitely some stiffer "130-flex" boots out there). But overall there wasn't really anything I could complain about. It doesn't feel quite as "plush" or damp when skiing fast on really rough snow compared to heavier boots, but it doesn't feel that harsh and its flex pattern felt nice and progressive (easy to flex initially, then ramps up), unlike some lighter boots I've used that have pretty linear flex patterns.

Shell check on s pro and hawx magma in a 26.5 is 1 finger , maybe finger and 1/4
magna could move foot side to side very little , spro not at all
with liner in they both felt great with the magna not holding my heel enough so I’m thinking s pro , magna was comfortably firm on last so it may b a little big

so if s pro molds slightly and they can add the tiniest padding around my tiny girl ankles will b blissful

neither boot put any pressure on my metatarsal whereas my Rossi’s did on big toe metatarsal

also the Rossi’s r 104 last , can move foot about equal to the magna , however the Rossi pinches my pinky toe in whereas the narrower lasted Salomon and magna do not , they both fit better out of the box and are more comfortable than my Rossi with footbed

how can I tell if I have high or low or medium arches ?

Arch height is less relevant for the shell check really. When you get footbeds made they look will mould your foot so your arch height will become more apparent then.

Arch height, or more so the amount it collapses, can have an effect on instep height however. When you shell check you want to try to ensure that the center of your knee is lined up with the middle of the toe box of the boot.

Most people will pronate (foot leaning inwards) to some extent and this will both make your foot longer and drop the instep. When I shell check I always have the knee centered as this will give a better impression of the fit once you have the footbed in there.

You may want to check the Hawx prime again. The shell is very similar to the s pro in both volume and length but I have found unless you have a particularly large calf the cuff of the prime fits better then the s pro. You may find it initially tighter in length but as I say the shell check is roughly the same so the tightness comes from the liner which will ease when moulded and bedded in. The k2 recon may well be worth a try too, if available, as may The Lange rx which will have a great heel hold.

tomPietrowskiArch height is less relevant for the shell check really. When you get footbeds made they look will mould your foot so your arch height will become more apparent then.

Arch height, or more so the amount it collapses, can have an effect on instep height however. When you shell check you want to try to ensure that the center of your knee is lined up with the middle of the toe box of the boot.

Most people will pronate (foot leaning inwards) to some extent and this will both make your foot longer and drop the instep. When I shell check I always have the knee centered as this will give a better impression of the fit once you have the footbed in there.

You may want to check the Hawx prime again. The shell is very similar to the s pro in both volume and length but I have found unless you have a particularly large calf the cuff of the prime fits better then the s pro. You may find it initially tighter in length but as I say the shell check is roughly the same so the tightness comes from the liner which will ease when moulded and bedded in. The k2 recon may well be worth a try too, if available, as may The Lange rx which will have a great heel hold.

I spent a half hour in both today with a good boot fitter , sounded competent and confident , I’m going back next week gonna spend some more time in each and make up my mind , he’s gonna have me ski both before he considers sale final 😁👍🏻 And do any heat and other boots work I want at that point included with sale of course
I like the feel of the s pro 130 more and he agrees it’s a better fit , def holds the ankle and whole foot better right out the box is more comfy than larger boots I’ve owned
he said we will do custom foot beds same time as heat molding , sound right ? And that I’d be sitting , having been standing for my last arch supports as well as doing them serrated from the heat mold apparently is not right he said so my Rossi’s are not right and way too big anyway so they are for sale , so are some heated socks ima post all this I guess
aso saw the new bacons in person today , he’s getting me the 190 😍when they ship

I’m gonna look into the k2 recon and a few others as well before I pull the trig I’m allowed to spend as much time in them as I want and play with skis so 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yeah sounds good. Honestly spending a great deal of time in them is not that helpful actually.

Its the shell fit which determines what work will will need to be done. The fitter will. Be able to identify what needs a little more space etc. But it sounds good that he is willing to let you try things out.

Footbeds can can be done both sat and stood up. Personally I prefer to make them standing. When you stand your heel pad will widen slightly and I tend to find you get a better impression. You. Also get a better idea of weather the foot is stabilized well when standing. But as I said it can be done either way.

And yes at least get the liners moulded straight away with footbeds in there. He may want to mould the shell too or maybe just spot punch it or a combo or both or maybe even nothing to Te shell at first.

But it sounds like you are doing well with it so sure you will get somthing good.

And yeah the new bacon looks rad sure you will enjoy them.

tomPietrowskiYeah sounds good. Honestly spending a great deal of time in them is not that helpful actually.

Its the shell fit which determines what work will will need to be done. The fitter will. Be able to identify what needs a little more space etc. But it sounds good that he is willing to let you try things out.

Footbeds can can be done both sat and stood up. Personally I prefer to make them standing. When you stand your heel pad will widen slightly and I tend to find you get a better impression. You. Also get a better idea of weather the foot is stabilized well when standing. But as I said it can be done either way.

And yes at least get the liners moulded straight away with footbeds in there. He may want to mould the shell too or maybe just spot punch it or a combo or both or maybe even nothing to Te shell at first.

But it sounds like you are doing well with it so sure you will get somthing good.

And yeah the new bacon looks rad sure you will enjoy them.

Thx for all your help , led me to being more informed and patient , I’m still not dead sold I’m gonna test fit almost everything that is in a 120/130 and go from there

I was surprised to see bacons and sakanas , never seen in person and holy shot those tips on the Salina are huge and it’s beautiful 😍 bacons too , out east here in pgh most shops don’t stock anything that wide wasn’t expecting to see , I’m quite happy my money will b going to a local not online , being in the shop added to my stoke for the season i now feel rushed to get edges tuned and wax the piss outta ma sticks

SavageBiffShell check on s pro and hawx magma in a 26.5 is 1 finger , maybe finger and 1/4
magna could move foot side to side very little , spro not at all
with liner in they both felt great with the magna not holding my heel enough so I’m thinking s pro , magna was comfortably firm on last so it may b a little big

Granted we can't see your feet, but these boots are in two different fit categories so if one of those boots will work, the other won't. S/Pro is medium width & medium volume, the Hawx Magna is wide width & high volume so no wonder the Magna feels a little big. The instep height of the Magna is at least 10mm higher than S/Pro.

Like Tom said, look at other medium volume boots (Hawx Prime, etc.) and make them bigger where needed. You can gain lots of room through Memory Fit with Hawx Prime and that will yield you a better resulting fit than starting with Hawx Magna.

onenerdykidGranted we can't see your feet, but these boots are in two different fit categories so if one of those boots will work, the other won't. S/Pro is medium width & medium volume, the Hawx Magna is wide width & high volume so no wonder the Magna feels a little big. The instep height of the Magna is at least 10mm higher than S/Pro.

Like Tom said, look at other medium volume boots (Hawx Prime, etc.) and make them bigger where needed. You can gain lots of room through Memory Fit with Hawx Prime and that will yield you a better resulting fit than starting with Hawx Magna.

Tried the recon today that one hell of a no go at least for my foot shape , put it on and took it off 🤷🏼‍♂️



the primes too loose

tried a dalbello and ft b&e today , not even close

only reason I tried the magna was be my current boots are track 130 , a hv boot , it’s too big in spots and too small in others

the s pro was made for my foot no doubt , the s pro max (98mm) was just a tad too snug , the 100 fees like why am I still looking , when you’ve had multiple bad boots , as well as good ones , when I find the “one” you knoweven with a 104mm last foot measured by fitter it feels amazing off the shelf

SavageBiffTried the recon today that one hell of a no go at least for my foot shape , put it on and took it off 🤷🏼‍♂️



the primes too loose

tried a dalbello and ft b&e today , not even close

only reason I tried the magna was be my current boots are track 130 , a hv boot , it’s too big in spots and too small in others

the s pro was made for my foot no doubt , the s pro max (98mm) was just a tad too snug , the 100 fees like why am I still looking , when you’ve had multiple bad boots , as well as good ones , when I find the “one” you knoweven with a 104mm last foot measured by fitter it feels amazing off the shelf

Are you having these boots shell fitted or just trying them on?

you are trying some odd boots out and honestly the feeling when you initially put them on should not be a big factor in your choice.

But the s pro is a good mid volume boot although it does have a big calf so if that is working it could be good. Just be sure to base your choice more off the shell fit then simply how they initially feel.

tomPietrowskiAre you having these boots shell fitted or just trying them on?

you are trying some odd boots out and honestly the feeling when you initially put them on should not be a big factor in your choice.

But the s pro is a good mid volume boot although it does have a big calf so if that is working it could be good. Just be sure to base your choice more off the shell fit then simply how they initially feel.

Tried on shell test if test fit feels remotely close , for instance
the s pro has no , no pressure spots even though it’s 4mm narrow, and held “ grabbed” my heel and calf foreleg
s pro max or x pro whatever same no pain but I could see blood flow decreasing after an hour they were uncomfortably tight on the toes
the prime and magna my foot was swimming def too much instep

Recon literally hurt like it was pushing the knuckle area of my big toe towards the others

I havent really “ tried “ to look at similar boots. Ive been trying everything



1 ive been looking for a stiff boot
2 that feels like it’s made for my foot and doesn’t hurt

Ok well it’s an interesting way to approach finding the correct boot.

The reason you really want to base all this off the shell check rather then how it feels trying is the boots will bed in and get bigger so what you “feel” trying them on will not be representative of how they will fit.

When end we got boots we are checking the shell compared to your foot. If anything we are looking for somthing slightly on the small side. We will then create space as needed but knowing what the shell is likes let’s us know how it will fit when it packs out.

For example the recon you tried. If it was just a met head that was tight it may be that once punched in that spot the rest could work really well.

When I fit boots having a customer try them is more for them then it is me as what they tell me does not really help, knowing the shape of the foot in the shell is all I need to know what will work well.

My advice to you would be have a fitter recommend some boots. You. Don’t need to go try everything on that way and you can focus on the boots which will actually work. Don’t be too worried how they feel. They want to feel like a shoe one size too small. Boots will always get bigger so remember they want to boarder on being too small at this point. Also remember small points which are tight can often be resolved so look at the overall fit. And lastly forget your toes haha. Toe space is very easy to achieve.

Hope that helps.

Curious which Dalbello's you tried on? The standard 98mm KR2 shell is way too narrow for me, and even my Lupo AX's (100mm) needed a ton of punching to get a good fit (man do they fit well now). The Lupo's are a bit on the soft side; anyone know how easy it would be to get krypton pro's widened? I see Dalbello makes a Krypton 120 AX, but I regularly find myself maxing out the flex of my "120 flex" Lupo's. I also have B tongues, which I believe are a little stiffer than the P tongues that Dalbello uses pretty much across the board now.

finderCurious which Dalbello's you tried on? The standard 98mm KR2 shell is way too narrow for me, and even my Lupo AX's (100mm) needed a ton of punching to get a good fit (man do they fit well now). The Lupo's are a bit on the soft side; anyone know how easy it would be to get krypton pro's widened? I see Dalbello makes a Krypton 120 AX, but I regularly find myself maxing out the flex of my "120 flex" Lupo's. I also have B tongues, which I believe are a little stiffer than the P tongues that Dalbello uses pretty much across the board now.

Your flex issues are not related to the tongue, but to the shell material. The Lupo AX 120 uses Irfran (polyolefin) material in its lower shell, rather than polyurethane (PU). Part of your flex woes are due to this material, as it doesn't have great flex characteristics (Dalbello chose it for its low weight, not its skiing characteristics). The Krypton AX 120 uses polyurethane in its lower shell and will be much more substantial because of it.

If the Krypton AX uses the same "AX" last shape, your boot-fitter should be able to get you the same fit. The PU plastic here will stretch better anyway.

tomPietrowskiOk well it’s an interesting way to approach finding the correct boot.

The reason you really want to base all this off the shell check rather then how it feels trying is the boots will bed in and get bigger so what you “feel” trying them on will not be representative of how they will fit.

When end we got boots we are checking the shell compared to your foot. If anything we are looking for somthing slightly on the small side. We will then create space as needed but knowing what the shell is likes let’s us know how it will fit when it packs out.

For example the recon you tried. If it was just a met head that was tight it may be that once punched in that spot the rest could work really well.

When I fit boots having a customer try them is more for them then it is me as what they tell me does not really help, knowing the shape of the foot in the shell is all I need to know what will work well.

My advice to you would be have a fitter recommend some boots. You. Don’t need to go try everything on that way and you can focus on the boots which will actually work. Don’t be too worried how they feel. They want to feel like a shoe one size too small. Boots will always get bigger so remember they want to boarder on being too small at this point. Also remember small points which are tight can often be resolved so look at the overall fit. And lastly forget your toes haha. Toe space is very easy to achieve.

Hope that helps.

Thx for explaining that , the how and why is important to me
I hear you I thought I mentioned my fitter recommended the s pro for me
he saw me trying magna and I was like feels good like a good boot but way too big so we tried a prime slightly better but too big no doubt, tried an s pro ( which was last on my list personally) and I loved it , after shell checking it he said we would try some others but from his standpoint there’s not gonna be a better boot
my Rossi’s ( packed out ) and became both painful in some areas and waaaay too big in others , so even tho I’ve had pain I’ve been looking for a smaller boot as well as a performance fit , not quite race fit tho .



The dalbello I can’t remember but it was 103mm felt roomy as fuck Surprisingly had heel support tho but too big