How different are the On3p woodsman 108 and the wrenegade 108

Woodsman has more tail rocker, a tighter sidecut, and a more progressive mount.

woodsman is a blend of the Jeffrey and the wrenegade

The two feel almost identical in terms of suspension / damping, flex pattern, and pop, but the mount point and sidecut are what I notice most. The Wren definitely feels best when you're really driving the shovels of it, whereas you can either drive the Woodsman or ski it neutral (and you can drive it more than the Jeffrey). Because of this, I get along much better with the Woodsman cause I like a more balanced feel, like to have the option of driving my shovels at speed, but don't want to be limited to one style all the time.

The Woodsman also feels a bit quicker overall vs. the Wren. When you're actually carving it, that's in the form of a tighter sidecut radius that lets you arc smaller turns on edge. In tight terrain where you're pivoting / sliding your turns, I think that comes down to the fact that the Woodsman has less tip in front of you (because of its more forward mount) so it's easier to flick around and it feels slightly looser / surfier overall vs. the Wren.

I'm really excited about ON3P's line now. Apart from people who want super light or very skinny skis, they basically make a ski for everyone now. Previously, I think there were a lot of people who liked the Jeffrey or Wren, but were probably caught in between them like I am, so now the Woodsman solves that.

Hey Luke id like a blend of chronics and stokli sr88 but in the 108ish
think the woodsman be a good choice ? Looking for something pretty stable

Luke summed it up well.

Woodsman = more tail rocker plus some upturn in the tail, more progressive mount, slightly rounder flex, tighter sidecut compared to the Wrenegade.

Honestly, this can more or less be decided on balance alone though. Do you want to be on a traditional directional mount (-9ish) or a more modern progressive mount (-6ish)? If directional, Wrenegade, if more modern, Woodsman.

Does the woodsman give up much grip on semi hard snow to the wren?

patagonialukeThe two feel almost identical in terms of suspension / damping, flex pattern, and pop, but the mount point and sidecut are what I notice most. The Wren definitely feels best when you're really driving the shovels of it, whereas you can either drive the Woodsman or ski it neutral (and you can drive it more than the Jeffrey). Because of this, I get along much better with the Woodsman cause I like a more balanced feel, like to have the option of driving my shovels at speed, but don't want to be limited to one style all the time.

The Woodsman also feels a bit quicker overall vs. the Wren. When you're actually carving it, that's in the form of a tighter sidecut radius that lets you arc smaller turns on edge. In tight terrain where you're pivoting / sliding your turns, I think that comes down to the fact that the Woodsman has less tip in front of you (because of its more forward mount) so it's easier to flick around and it feels slightly looser / surfier overall vs. the Wren.

I'm really excited about ON3P's line now. Apart from people who want super light or very skinny skis, they basically make a ski for everyone now. Previously, I think there were a lot of people who liked the Jeffrey or Wren, but were probably caught in between them like I am, so now the Woodsman solves that.

Oregon_SkierDoes the woodsman give up much grip on semi hard snow to the wren?

Not from my experience - felt pretty similar in that regard