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Mixed feelings about this, my natural reaction is to be stoked for snow, but I'm also worried about ending up with a shit ass weak layer for the entire season. If it's feet in places it likely won't completely melt when temperatures go back up, and that's pretty bad news.
Monsieur_PatateMixed feelings about this, my natural reaction is to be stoked for snow, but I'm also worried about ending up with a shit ass weak layer for the entire season. If it's feet in places it likely won't completely melt when temperatures go back up, and that's pretty bad news.
i dont consider a potential pwl bad news
you can learn way more and become a better more knowledgable bc skier in seasons of unstable snow packs
but maybe thats not your goal
nttiatwwi
SFBv420.0i dont consider a potential pwl bad news
you can learn way more and become a better more knowledgable bc skier in seasons of unstable snow packs
but maybe thats not your goal
nttiatwwi
Any given season will give plenty of days with an unstable snowpack and opportunities to learn, no matter what. You'll get persistent weak layers throughout the season too, it's not just an early-season snowfall issue, they can sometimes heal, it all depends on conditions.
Celebrating a pwl at the very bottom of the snowpack for "learning opportunities" is extremely short-sighted. As a skier, my main goal (maybe not yours) is to ski. Having to turn around for safety reasons after digging your pit is never fun, and the bottom line is that a pwl means more no-go decisions, more terrain too sketchy to venture in, and more avalanche fatalities. From a skier's perspective a persistent weak layer is nothing to celebrate.
Monsieur_PatateAny given season will give plenty of days with an unstable snowpack and opportunities to learn, no matter what. You'll get persistent weak layers throughout the season too, it's not just an early-season snowfall issue, they can sometimes heal, it all depends on conditions.
Celebrating a pwl at the very bottom of the snowpack for "learning opportunities" is extremely short-sighted. As a skier, my main goal (maybe not yours) is to ski. Having to turn around for safety reasons after digging your pit is never fun, and the bottom line is that a pwl means more no-go decisions, more terrain too sketchy to venture in, and more avalanche fatalities. From a skier's perspective a persistent weak layer is nothing to celebrate.
You should try and see the bigger picture.
I gonna go out on a limb and assume my 2 decades of touring and skiing the Wasatch has given me a much bigger broader picture than what it is you think you have going on
first I never said pwl were good news you totally inferred that
they are what they are
its not bad news to me
just news
its part of backcountryskiing a fuckin hudge part
I have free vert at all the Utah resorts and as much as I like turn earning the untracked and less traveled I don't really need to ski bc
I will im an addict .
But ifin ya didn't know the uac will tell ya they do do avalaunche migration work at the resorts and while statistically more people die inbounds than ob every year its not in avvy fatalities
so as a "skier" you shouldn't have a problem "skiing" and having "funs"
now bc skiing while "fun" is another level
I had a friend a coworker who died on Kessler a few seasons ago
alec was a good kid, had good strong snow study and safety skills and he had a tight crew and they were blessed to shred a lot of satch classics in a few season of bountiful snow and deep stable snowpacks
what he didn't have was a season or two of needing to make tough go no go decisions, having to turn tail and ski back your skin track or find the fun of greens basin or other numerous terrain safer places vrs. broads fork, lone peak or wolverine or going to funerals of people who didn't get away with the mistakes we all make
so my perspective on skiing and what is "fun" and what keeps you in the game season after season is gonna be pretty different than a sophomore noobs who wants to have "fun" or needs to check shit off his gnar list
and please try to explain how in the big picture of long term backcountry career
needing to not have fun, make tough decision, learn from your mistakes, and others, gittin your ass kicked going for a ride or
having to drag out a non weight bearing partner, needing to tighten up your crews safety protocols due to increased danger needing more group dynamics more discussion of safety objectives and routes
more spatial variabilities more need to cut or jump on test slopes more chances to git out on high or elevated danger days and watch shit come unglued or to stay home or ski inbounds
fuck dude my woofers expired I gotta find $500 and spend a weekend of no skiing and little fun to refresh it
but im gonna feel way better when the shit hits the fan having it
so how does any if not all that not make you a better more experienced touring partner?
You should really consider using proper grammar and punctuation if you want people to understand you, that was hard to read, even harder to understand.
I'm not going to waste time repeating myself, my point is that proper avy training/education is the best way to mitigate risks, and a pwl at the bottom of the snowpack sucks from a safety, and therefore ski, perspective. I did not expect that to be controversial, but here we are.
Your argument that this kid Alec would not have died if he had spent more seasons in sketchy conditions is just idiotic, no one can know if that would have made a difference, neither can you. Plenty of very experienced skiers get taken every year. So stop using that poor kid to try and justify your dumbass takes.
I think this conversation has run its course, stay safe out there.
My mom lives in East Glacier and she just sent me this. Some places have 4 ft already and the storm is supposed to last into Tuesday. Damn I wish I was there.
JoeF2661My mom lives in East Glacier and she just sent me this. Some places have 4 ft already and the storm is supposed to last into Tuesday. Damn I wish I was there.
Ya browning got buried! Also choteau too! Pretty fun to see even if it melts away next week!
SFBv420.0I gonna go out on a limb and assume my 2 decades of touring and skiing the Wasatch has given me a much bigger broader picture than what it is you think you have going on
first I never said pwl were good news you totally inferred that
they are what they are
its not bad news to me
just news
its part of backcountryskiing a fuckin hudge part
I have free vert at all the Utah resorts and as much as I like turn earning the untracked and less traveled I don't really need to ski bc
I will im an addict .
But ifin ya didn't know the uac will tell ya they do do avalaunche migration work at the resorts and while statistically more people die inbounds than ob every year its not in avvy fatalities
so as a "skier" you shouldn't have a problem "skiing" and having "funs"
now bc skiing while "fun" is another level
I had a friend a coworker who died on Kessler a few seasons ago
alec was a good kid, had good strong snow study and safety skills and he had a tight crew and they were blessed to shred a lot of satch classics in a few season of bountiful snow and deep stable snowpacks
what he didn't have was a season or two of needing to make tough go no go decisions, having to turn tail and ski back your skin track or find the fun of greens basin or other numerous terrain safer places vrs. broads fork, lone peak or wolverine or going to funerals of people who didn't get away with the mistakes we all make
so my perspective on skiing and what is "fun" and what keeps you in the game season after season is gonna be pretty different than a sophomore noobs who wants to have "fun" or needs to check shit off his gnar list
and please try to explain how in the big picture of long term backcountry career
needing to not have fun, make tough decision, learn from your mistakes, and others, gittin your ass kicked going for a ride or
having to drag out a non weight bearing partner, needing to tighten up your crews safety protocols due to increased danger needing more group dynamics more discussion of safety objectives and routes
more spatial variabilities more need to cut or jump on test slopes more chances to git out on high or elevated danger days and watch shit come unglued or to stay home or ski inbounds
fuck dude my woofers expired I gotta find $500 and spend a weekend of no skiing and little fun to refresh it
but im gonna feel way better when the shit hits the fan having it
so how does any if not all that not make you a better more experienced touring partner?
Monsieur_PatateYou should really consider using proper grammar and punctuation if you want people to understand you, that was hard to read, even harder to understand.
I'm not going to waste time repeating myself, my point is that proper avy training/education is the best way to mitigate risks, and a pwl at the bottom of the snowpack sucks from a safety, and therefore ski, perspective. I did not expect that to be controversial, but here we are.
Your argument that this kid Alec would not have died if he had spent more seasons in sketchy conditions is just idiotic, no one can know if that would have made a difference, neither can you. Plenty of very experienced skiers get taken every year. So stop using that poor kid to try and justify your dumbass takes.
I think this conversation has run its course, stay safe out there.
SFBv420.0I gonna go out on a limb and assume my 2 decades of touring and skiing the Wasatch has given me a much bigger broader picture than what it is you think you have going on
first I never said pwl were good news you totally inferred that
they are what they are
its not bad news to me
just news
its part of backcountryskiing a fuckin hudge part
I have free vert at all the Utah resorts and as much as I like turn earning the untracked and less traveled I don't really need to ski bc
I will im an addict .
But ifin ya didn't know the uac will tell ya they do do avalaunche migration work at the resorts and while statistically more people die inbounds than ob every year its not in avvy fatalities
so as a "skier" you shouldn't have a problem "skiing" and having "funs"
now bc skiing while "fun" is another level
I had a friend a coworker who died on Kessler a few seasons ago
alec was a good kid, had good strong snow study and safety skills and he had a tight crew and they were blessed to shred a lot of satch classics in a few season of bountiful snow and deep stable snowpacks
what he didn't have was a season or two of needing to make tough go no go decisions, having to turn tail and ski back your skin track or find the fun of greens basin or other numerous terrain safer places vrs. broads fork, lone peak or wolverine or going to funerals of people who didn't get away with the mistakes we all make
so my perspective on skiing and what is "fun" and what keeps you in the game season after season is gonna be pretty different than a sophomore noobs who wants to have "fun" or needs to check shit off his gnar list
and please try to explain how in the big picture of long term backcountry career
needing to not have fun, make tough decision, learn from your mistakes, and others, gittin your ass kicked going for a ride or
having to drag out a non weight bearing partner, needing to tighten up your crews safety protocols due to increased danger needing more group dynamics more discussion of safety objectives and routes
more spatial variabilities more need to cut or jump on test slopes more chances to git out on high or elevated danger days and watch shit come unglued or to stay home or ski inbounds
fuck dude my woofers expired I gotta find $500 and spend a weekend of no skiing and little fun to refresh it
but im gonna feel way better when the shit hits the fan having it
so how does any if not all that not make you a better more experienced touring partner?
SFBv420.0I gonna go out on a limb and assume my 2 decades of touring and skiing the Wasatch has given me a much bigger broader picture than what it is you think you have going on
first I never said pwl were good news you totally inferred that
they are what they are
its not bad news to me
just news
its part of backcountryskiing a fuckin hudge part
I have free vert at all the Utah resorts and as much as I like turn earning the untracked and less traveled I don't really need to ski bc
I will im an addict .
But ifin ya didn't know the uac will tell ya they do do avalaunche migration work at the resorts and while statistically more people die inbounds than ob every year its not in avvy fatalities
so as a "skier" you shouldn't have a problem "skiing" and having "funs"
now bc skiing while "fun" is another level
I had a friend a coworker who died on Kessler a few seasons ago
alec was a good kid, had good strong snow study and safety skills and he had a tight crew and they were blessed to shred a lot of satch classics in a few season of bountiful snow and deep stable snowpacks
what he didn't have was a season or two of needing to make tough go no go decisions, having to turn tail and ski back your skin track or find the fun of greens basin or other numerous terrain safer places vrs. broads fork, lone peak or wolverine or going to funerals of people who didn't get away with the mistakes we all make
so my perspective on skiing and what is "fun" and what keeps you in the game season after season is gonna be pretty different than a sophomore noobs who wants to have "fun" or needs to check shit off his gnar list
and please try to explain how in the big picture of long term backcountry career
needing to not have fun, make tough decision, learn from your mistakes, and others, gittin your ass kicked going for a ride or
having to drag out a non weight bearing partner, needing to tighten up your crews safety protocols due to increased danger needing more group dynamics more discussion of safety objectives and routes
more spatial variabilities more need to cut or jump on test slopes more chances to git out on high or elevated danger days and watch shit come unglued or to stay home or ski inbounds
fuck dude my woofers expired I gotta find $500 and spend a weekend of no skiing and little fun to refresh it
but im gonna feel way better when the shit hits the fan having it
so how does any if not all that not make you a better more experienced touring partner?
