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QuantumMechanicWow I hadn't even noticed that Black Rain was carbine length...been staring at my computer too long and the guy at the shop neglected to mention that smh...so thanks for pointing that out.
Any opinion on the Saint vs the Saint Edge? All I have gathered is that it's basically an extra $200 for a smoother and shorter match-grade trigger pull/reset, a machined billet lower (neat looks and marginal weight reduction), Melonite (basically nitride) BCG, and a different compensator.
I would love to build but I don't feel like I have enough know-how to do so on my first AR. If I had more time (just home in CO on vacation for a couple weeks) and didn't live/work in commie NY, I would totally take the time to tackle the learning curve and get really into an AR build.
Looks like a pretty cool gun for not much more money. But 200 is upgrading the trigger, bcg, lower, and muzzle device together... so the trigger upgrade is probably not on par with a geissele.
But I also don't know anything about their own proprietary single stage triggers. Single stage acts like an on and off switch, no pre travel, usually pretty light pull. A hiperfire single stage will make you cream your shorts. Same with a geissele.
Billet look is always cool.
Muzzle device... who cares. I have a strike industries j comp gen2 on mine, it's like $30 and it removes all noticeable muzzle rise. Like actually removes it, it blew my mind.
Great gun either way. If your budget is upwards of $1500 then I'd definitely still shop around a bit. See if you can snag a labor day weekend deal. Have it shipped to a local ffl. But if you're dead set on a saint then do it, you won't be disappointed.
As a shotgun guy, this is the gun I really want next. Old school woodsman double barrel hammer gun with modern materials and screw in chokes for around $900.
Thinkn of taking up elk hunting in a couple year. Seen so.many areas were the place smells like piss and hillsides that are all churned to shit from lots, probably a migration route. Going to start studying the subject and rifle or bow not sure, bow sounds more attractive but hate to miss.
TnskiThinkn of taking up elk hunting in a couple year. Seen so.many areas were the place smells like piss and hillsides that are all churned to shit from lots, probably a migration route. Going to start studying the subject and rifle or bow not sure, bow sounds more attractive but hate to miss.
Modern hunting bows are fun as hell to shoot. I have one I used to shoot targets in my back yard when I lived in UT. Its pretty impressive the amount of power those things throw arrows out at. I fucked up one shot and send an arrow into the side of the barn of the place we were renting and I amost had to angle grind that fucker off it was in so tight.
Had a crossbow for a while and was target practicing in my basement with 1/2 sreandboear a piece of 1/2 plywood and ten paper grocery bags behind the target and the first try it went thru everything and thru the double pain window behind it all. Figured the windows done and added a bunch more sacks and kept shooting. Yep they powerful as frick. Made a bow out of vine maple that ended up weighing 11oz but never did anything with it.
SuspiciousFishAs a shotgun guy, this is the gun I really want next. Old school woodsman double barrel hammer gun with modern materials and screw in chokes for around $900.
CZ Hammer classic:
JAHpow^speaking of CZ
If any of you stumble upon a CZ 527 FS mannlicher in .223 dm me. I want one really bad ha
CZ makes some really pretty guns. Was fingerfucking the 452 before I bought my Savage, but was a little out of my budget. I love the 527, but the regular stock in 7.62x39 is what I’m trying to track down. Something about bolt guns with larger mags and iron sights gets me going. For some reason the mannlicher stocks just look weird to me.
SendyMcSendyfaceCZ makes some really pretty guns. Was fingerfucking the 452 before I bought my Savage, but was a little out of my budget. I love the 527, but the regular stock in 7.62x39 is what I’m trying to track down. Something about bolt guns with larger mags and iron sights gets me going. For some reason the mannlicher stocks just look weird to me.
Thats a tough call, the CV is a pretty gun but its $750 and we live in the era of 'cheap' accurate rifles and Savage is really the gold standard IMO. I mean you can get a Savage Axis XP for like $300 to $350 with sales right now which is really hard to turn down, even if you need to throw a little extra for a better trigger. I do need a .30-06 for elk hunting and I swear that damn gun keeps calling for me.
Yeah. My savage is great. Not as smooth action as a tikka but i got the 10 SBA (which i think is better than the axis) for like 370.
Super solid gun with tank tier barrel.
SuspiciousFishThats a tough call, the CV is a pretty gun but its $750 and we live in the era of 'cheap' accurate rifles and Savage is really the gold standard IMO. I mean you can get a Savage Axis XP for like $300 to $350 with sales right now which is really hard to turn down, even if you need to throw a little extra for a better trigger. I do need a .30-06 for elk hunting and I swear that damn gun keeps calling for me.
SendyMcSendyfaceAlso, AR guys, what are some good recommendations for a first AR? I'm looking at the Ruger AR556, rn. Can't afford something super gucci right off the bat, but I don't want to be a psa poor
Just don't, keep saving. Buying something under $1k isn't worth it unless you know someone that's giving a screaming deal.
Best budget IMHO from Tuner Arm Co, BCM, DD, FN, Aero and a couple others. I view KAC, LMT, and Noveske as a tier above for pricing, but for good reason. I recommend Turner because they're essentially building the rifle you want with the exact accessories you want. If you purchase a BCM/DD or something on par, you're at the will of their stock/grip/selector/rail and when counting pennies, that adds up to switch. I do not trust Ruger AR's or the Springfield Saint, especially when there are the legit aforementioned options.
As far as features go for a first budget rifle: 14.5" barrel, MLOK rail, mid-length gas system (I prefer over carbine), 1913 rail upper, mil-spec buffer tube, at least an H Buffer.
Reasoning: 14.5" is a good meet in the middle to get your feet wet and most come pin/welded, Keymod is dead and most MLOK rails are strong enough to compete with 1913, mid-length is bueno reliable, rail upper because Aimpoint PRO (best budget optic), and H Buffer because anything else is probably a trash gun. I left off staked gas keys, M4 feed ramps and barrels from legit manufacturers because those should be a given.
People rip on the cheap rifles for good reason, it's not worth buying one of them to find out it's unreliable garbage and now you need to find a Fudd to buy it. Spending money on reliable mags (pmags/lancer) and a training course or two are only going to pay off if you have a rifle that can make it through a class and reliably utilize said mags. Also better rifles can run shittier ammo (because you're trying to save money), better than a shitty one.
Sparknotes: Don't impulse buy and don't trust gun store clerks. They're trying to sell you a rifle, not necessarily a good one.
Unfortunately, no. Haven't had a nice bluebird day where I'd rather drive 2+ hours to shoot instead of go skiin'
SendyMcSendyfaceAlso, any recommendations for a basic pump 12 gauge for waterfowl/turkeys?
Idk about turkeys because guys run crazy chokes and optics and all kinds of weird shit supposedly BUT for waterfowl nothing beats a mossberg 500 or benelli nova for pricepoint ruggedness.
BiffbarfUnfortunately, no. Haven't had a nice bluebird day where I'd rather drive 2+ hours to shoot instead of go skiin'
Idk about turkeys because guys run crazy chokes and optics and all kinds of weird shit supposedly BUT for waterfowl nothing beats a mossberg 500 or benelli nova for pricepoint ruggedness.
Benellis are some of the best shotguns I've ever shot. Don't remember what all models. But my buddy has some for grouse and that thing weighs nothing its amazing.
Yeah I don't like to get to vocal about this thing online - I learned through owning it that it is very very difficult to build a proper gun and operate a CNC mill. The biggest danger of guns is how easy they are to buy, and that brings me to the next part. Despite this machine actually making guns safer through educating users on how they work - I tried to find 80% lowers and frames at a local gun store and the guy looked at me like I was insane he said "no legitimate gun store will sell that, the ATF would shut us down" so then I started looking, yeah you can buy these parts online from Brownells and a few more. But construction of a firearm, while not illegal, is extremely frowned upon.
ChadThundercockYeah I don't like to get to vocal about this thing online - I learned through owning it that it is very very difficult to build a proper gun and operate a CNC mill. The biggest danger of guns is how easy they are to buy, and that brings me to the next part. Despite this machine actually making guns safer through educating users on how they work - I tried to find 80% lowers and frames at a local gun store and the guy looked at me like I was insane he said "no legitimate gun store will sell that, the ATF would shut us down" so then I started looking, yeah you can buy these parts online from Brownells and a few more. But construction of a firearm, while not illegal, is extremely frowned upon.
SendyMcSendyfaceAlso, AR guys, what are some good recommendations for a first AR? I'm looking at the Ruger AR556, rn. Can't afford something super gucci right off the bat, but I don't want to be a psa poor
Honestly, I'd recommend you build your first AR. You can do exactly what you want for the budget you are looking for and you'll learn a TON about the rifle and about laws/politics. I honestly think if everyone in Congress had to build an AR just once they'd realize how dumb all these gun bills are...
The part of the AR that requires a background check/is considered the firearm is the lower receiver, so I'd buy that first (Aero Precision makes great ones for a good price). The rest of the parts and pieces can be bought online just like anything else. Just be careful to read about Short Barreled Rifles (SBRs) so that you don't accidentally build one by getting a barrel shorter than 16" of something, those are on the NFA. That Ruger you like could be built for almost the same amount of money or less, but you'll be much smarter on how to use it, fix it, etc.
5.56 is fun to shoot and you can also put .223 through it to save a little money on ammo.
I have:
-Aero Precision AR-15 build with Daniel Defense furniture and a Sightmark M Spec (Sport shooting rifle)
-Glock 19 MOS with APLc (Home defense)
-My grandfather's Ruger 45
-Sig Sauer P365 (Concealed Carry)
-A Luftwaffe pistol from WWII that I think my Great Grandfather must have brought back in the 40's
-A Remington 20 Gauge
-Sig Sauer 1911 22 (First time shooter/kids/plinking for me)
I am probably going to build an SBR or AR Pistol in 300 BLK/9mm for home defense, it's a lot easier to control and you can put a pretty big light on one to make sure you don't ever shoot your drunk neighbor coming into the wrong house and scaring the shit out of you (what happened to my dad).
Twinjibber77Just don't, keep saving. Buying something under $1k isn't worth it unless you know someone that's giving a screaming deal.
Best budget IMHO from Tuner Arm Co, BCM, DD, FN, Aero and a couple others. I view KAC, LMT, and Noveske as a tier above for pricing, but for good reason. I recommend Turner because they're essentially building the rifle you want with the exact accessories you want. If you purchase a BCM/DD or something on par, you're at the will of their stock/grip/selector/rail and when counting pennies, that adds up to switch. I do not trust Ruger AR's or the Springfield Saint, especially when there are the legit aforementioned options.
As far as features go for a first budget rifle: 14.5" barrel, MLOK rail, mid-length gas system (I prefer over carbine), 1913 rail upper, mil-spec buffer tube, at least an H Buffer.
Reasoning: 14.5" is a good meet in the middle to get your feet wet and most come pin/welded, Keymod is dead and most MLOK rails are strong enough to compete with 1913, mid-length is bueno reliable, rail upper because Aimpoint PRO (best budget optic), and H Buffer because anything else is probably a trash gun. I left off staked gas keys, M4 feed ramps and barrels from legit manufacturers because those should be a given.
People rip on the cheap rifles for good reason, it's not worth buying one of them to find out it's unreliable garbage and now you need to find a Fudd to buy it. Spending money on reliable mags (pmags/lancer) and a training course or two are only going to pay off if you have a rifle that can make it through a class and reliably utilize said mags. Also better rifles can run shittier ammo (because you're trying to save money), better than a shitty one.
Sparknotes: Don't impulse buy and don't trust gun store clerks. They're trying to sell you a rifle, not necessarily a good one.
Lots of truth to this as well, my AR is a 14.5 pin/welded barrel with a lot of Aero Precision parts. AP is known as a "best bang for the buck" kind of brand and I've been super happy with it. My buddies have much nicer rifles and I certainly enjoy shooting those as well. As long as you put your money and time into the barrel and the BCG, you should be able to build a solid rifle that won't let you down. Your budget should reflect what you want to do with it and how much hell you are going to put it through, for me I wanted something solid and fun for sport. If I build one for home defense, I'm going to build it slower and buy nicer parts for some of the critical pieces.
