Thoughts on dps phantom?

Is it there? Is it gone? Was it ever there at all? One must always question phantoms.

KevskiIs it there? Is it gone? Was it ever there at all? One must always question phantoms.

idk man
one of my friends had it one time and the day after it just dissapeared

It’s a gimmick that DPS thought up for people who buy into shit like that. It isn’t permanent wax, bases are obviously not as hard as something like concrete but they’re hard enough that the wax doesn’t just, “bond with the bases,” or whatever it is they say.

Bump, also curious.

Anybody tried it? Specifically, has anybody had it for awhile and could talk longevity?

aiming to try it this season. one of my professors has his name on the patent and i was talking to him about the chemistry behind it. honestly everything he was telling me sounded like a sales pitch, but he still made it sound pretty good. my first thought is that it would make a bigger difference on extruded bases than sintered ones but i might be wrong. the fact that on dps's site they say you can and probably should still wax over it anyway was a pretty big red flag for me tbh.

now that im not working in a ski shop and dont have access to daily free wax im gonna give it a go. the idea is that it penetrates the base and bonds to it a few mm deep, unlike wax that just chills on top. what im not sold on is that it essentially just makes the bases harder, it doenst make a smooth, friction reducing film like wax does. it uses a lot of the same functional groups as high end wax but honestly as far as i understand it, its more the chain length of the wax rather than the functional groups that make it go. idk, i havent done the research and testing, but i think its really meant to be for the ~10 days/year skiers who wont notice a difference between daily wax jobs and a week old cold wax in slush. sounds pretty good for park skis though tbh, if it were a little cheaper i would be all over it

I've used it on 5 DPS skis and liked it. It's sticky at extremely low speeds (when you're shuffling around in a lift line), but fast as soon as you get up to any sort of speed. In super hot, super wet snow, I didn't feel like it was super fast, but I didn't notice a big difference between it and skis I had waxed with general-purpose (not hot-weather-specific) wax.

And I haven't noticed any sort of deterioration in performance over two years of testing. And that's impressive.

So yes, I think it works as advertised. Probably not as fast as temperature-specific waxes, but if you really need the absolute fastest bases, you can wax on top of it. If I was only skiing a few skis a year, I'd treat all of them with Phantom and just stop thinking about waxing. I think it makes the most sense for people who have just one or a few skis that they plan on using for several years. I'd also recommend (if possible) buying it at a shop that has one of their UV treatments as the home treatment can be tricky if you live in an area that doesn't see a ton of consistent sunlight.

bullocks! maybe it'll last like 2 maybe 3 seasons without having to periodcally wax bases

I dont wax my skis cause I'm poor

CalumSKII dont wax my skis cause I'm poor

not getting on your case but wax and an iron really arent expensive and it's so worth it. i got my little wax iron for like 30 bucks (google "demon mini wax iron") and if youre good about it the bars of wax can last a while

SofaKingSicknot getting on your case but wax and an iron really arent expensive and it's so worth it. i got my little wax iron for like 30 bucks (google "demon mini wax iron") and if youre good about it the bars of wax can last a while

Bruh

SofaKingSicknot getting on your case but wax and an iron really arent expensive and it's so worth it. i got my little wax iron for like 30 bucks (google "demon mini wax iron") and if youre good about it the bars of wax can last a while

if i forget to wax the night before or if im just feeling lazy as shit or something ill just rub a wax brick onto my bases and do a super quick iron over it, no scrape. definitely not great but it makes a difference for the first few runs and it uses basically no wax