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What’s wrong with Marker?

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Austintexas25
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I see a lot of people on here telling others to steer clear of marker bindings and I’m genuinely curious what the reason is. I’ve been using marker bindings for quite some time and I’ve never had any issues, I’m pretty hard on gear too. On top of that both Markus Eder and Candide use Jester’s. So what’s up? Are the pros paid off and the bindings are crap or is it all just hate?

**This thread was edited on Apr 9th 2019 at 8:06:50pm
Apr 9 2019 8:05PM
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lilneuman420
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Marker makes decent bindings, but tyrolia makes better bindings at a lower price point. And look pivots have the best retention. Marker is kind of the middle child, good but not the best choice
Apr 9 2019 8:24PM
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liammorris
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I sheered the heel part of my markers off this one day riding park, completely snapped the plastic. The bottom was still mounted into the ski but the top part completely broke apart into little pieces so I could agree with other people who say their crap. But if your pro and get a new setup every year the wear on them probably wont be all that much.
Apr 9 2019 9:38PM
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DesertStix
Posts: 2540 - Karma: 14,985
It’s cool to hate on “comp skiers” nowadays
Apr 9 2019 10:42PM
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shin-bang
Posts: 4103 - Karma: 7,001
lilneuman420Marker makes decent bindings, but tyrolia makes better bindings at a lower price point. And look pivots have the best retention. Marker is kind of the middle child, good but not the best choice

Well said

Everyone will always have their own opinion.

From an elasticity standpoint sth2 have the most toe travel, fks have the most heel travel.

From greatest to least imo

pivot 18/155
sth2 16
attack 16
jester
Apr 9 2019 11:05PM
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Biffbarf
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Nothing, really. They're not bad. But they aren't as good as attacks, which aren't as good as sth2's and/or pivots.

Unless you get a screaming deal on them, or they support your skiing, there's not really any good reasons to go marker.

Just my humble opinion fellas.
Apr 9 2019 11:07PM
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hemlockjibber8
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This is literally the first time in 20 years I have ever heard people recommend tyrolias, especially on newschoolers.
Apr 9 2019 11:11PM
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SofaKingSick
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hemlockjibber8This is literally the first time in 20 years I have ever heard people recommend tyrolias, especially on newschoolers.


A few years ago the Attack series changed everything anyone ever thought of Tyrolia binders.

They were in the same tier of bindings in my mind as markers til boom they release the Attack line and they’re affordable, light, consistent, and have a really low stack height

Meanwhile marker still seems perfectly happy looking lame and blowing to bits more often than anything I’ve ever seen beyond the old Line bindings lol


That said...everyone has different experiences with bindings. Some people (for instance, Al Qaeda) hate Pivots and have nothing but good experiences with Markers 🤷‍♂️
Apr 9 2019 11:25PM
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suup
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BiffbarfNothing, really. They're not bad. But they aren't as good as attacks, which aren't as good as sth2's and/or pivots.

Unless you get a screaming deal on them, or they support your skiing, there's not really any good reasons to go marker.

Just my humble opinion fellas.

meh on sth2
my sth2s toe peice broke so now its similar to a pivot heel piece as it spins around 360 degrees
maybe the 16 din holds up better tho
Apr 10 2019 1:45AM
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ReturnToMonkey
Posts: 6434 - Karma: 69,946
My personal problem with marker is their customer service. I broke the healpiece on my griffons (in January) and they never even responded to my many attempts to contact them. Eventually by April they responded and sent me a replacement, but their lack of any response for 3 months swore me off
Apr 10 2019 2:05AM
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jps2.0
Posts: 477 - Karma: 2,410
another thing with markers is you need to have your boot super clean of snow unlike sth's
Apr 10 2019 3:01AM
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adamholl
Posts: 45 - Karma: 613
Marker copied a lot from Tyrollia, thats why the attacks made such a big come back cause Tyrollia didnt what to be the under dog. Also a personal note regaurding marker is that I don't like how high they are from the ski/snow but thats my personal preferance
Apr 10 2019 4:02AM
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CalumSKI
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ngl but the sth2 16s are super sick too
Apr 10 2019 8:38AM
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beckums
Posts: 342 - Karma: 631
Idk man, I got Marker Griffons and the only thing that happens is sometimes they eject when I am doing a super super pressed peanut butter, and that's prolly just me fucking up my DIN. Overall I like them, I wanna to get look pivots for next year.
Apr 10 2019 9:16AM
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SkiBum.
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I’ve had markers on all my skis for over 10 years now. No issues.
Apr 10 2019 9:37AM
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freeskibum82
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I'm really happy to see Marker has finally come to their senses and are finally making a 100mm width brake. for many years ive had to bend 90mm brakes to fit on skis 90-98mm because a stupid 110 is waaay to wide for those skis.
Apr 10 2019 9:45AM
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dmoney13
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I have had my Griffion bindings for about 3 or 4 years and I broke my brake this season. I brought into my local marker seller and they contacted them and got me 2 free brakes from them. It did take 2 weeks to get them but hey free brakes.
Apr 10 2019 9:49AM
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oldmanski
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I think all the manufacturers are making a good binding, from Look, Marker,Tyrolia, Salomon, etc. I think today’s skiing is so much more advanced and tougher on bindings these days. Bigger jumps, faster speeds, turning harder just all out pushing the sport. And when limits get pushed, parts seem to break. Go with a binding that fits your style of riding, fits your price point and something your local ski shop carries and is familiar with.
Apr 10 2019 9:52AM
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Biffbarf
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suupmeh on sth2
my sth2s toe peice broke so now its similar to a pivot heel piece as it spins around 360 degrees
maybe the 16 din holds up better tho


Sometimes bindings break. Pivot 14 toes have been notorious for breaking as well. None of them are perfect by any means. I totally get having a bad taste in your mouth when a product fails on you though
Apr 10 2019 10:18AM
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dizzydizzy
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Not sure of the hate, I recommend them to everyone, griffons for smaller riders or less aggressive folks, and jesters for shredders. I ride jesters and jester pros and i've put 100+ days on them no sweat, still working like the day i got em. ive heard people complain that the jester toe piece can get some play after tons of hard riding but havent seen it...from what i can tell they are a big fuckin chunk of metal that keep my feet on my skis like a boss

agree with the previous post that everyone makes super sick bindings now...the only real ones id stay clear of are the sth 10 and the squire, any burlier 12 din binding should be good for your purposes
Apr 10 2019 10:35AM
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GrandThings
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I had to buy new binders this year and went with the STH 16 over the Jesters because of everything I'd read on newschoolers. Not disappointed at all
Apr 10 2019 2:35PM
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SuspiciousFish
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I had Marker piston bindings on my Pocket Rockets way back in the day and they actually helped stiffen up the ski a bit. They look kinda cool too.
Apr 10 2019 2:39PM
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shin-bang
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GrandThingsI had to buy new binders this year and went with the STH 16 over the Jesters because of everything I'd read on newschoolers. Not disappointed at all


Good call.

You now have adjustable toe wings, vibration absorbers, float system to allow a more natural flex, and an easier in and out.

I used to run marker. Went to sth2 & pivot and will never go back.



Go ahead, downvote me you marker lovers.
Apr 10 2019 3:25PM
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Cade2
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Marker is trash
Apr 10 2019 4:23PM
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patskis22
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liammorrisI sheered the heel part of my markers off this one day riding park, completely snapped the plastic. The bottom was still mounted into the ski but the top part completely broke apart into little pieces so I could agree with other people who say their crap. But if your pro and get a new setup every year the wear on them probably wont be all that much.


This!!! Then you go to the shop for a replacement and theyre like "uuuuuuuhhhhhh i cant work on that ski, its shot"
Apr 10 2019 6:57PM
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Park.
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dizzydizzyNot sure of the hate, I recommend them to everyone, griffons for smaller riders or less aggressive folks, and jesters for shredders. I ride jesters and jester pros and i've put 100+ days on them no sweat, still working like the day i got em. ive heard people complain that the jester toe piece can get some play after tons of hard riding but havent seen it...from what i can tell they are a big fuckin chunk of metal that keep my feet on my skis like a boss

agree with the previous post that everyone makes super sick bindings now...the only real ones id stay clear of are the sth 10 and the squire, any burlier 12 din binding should be good for your purposes

Ive had STH, Pivot, Attack, and Marker. They are all making quality shit when you spend $$$.

Ive had all the nice bindings from those companies aside from Marker (never owned Jesters).

I ski a decent amount. If you pay for premium bindings ($400 range), they should last longer than 100 days imo.

Out of those bindings, Pivots have broken the fastest (14s) and held up the longest (18s).

Attacks are the most consistent with longterm use (18s only).

STH are a pain in the ass to keep readjusting for no significant difference in performance.

Markers DO explode sometimes. They are arguably the easiest to replace when you brake something though.
Apr 10 2019 11:19PM
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JmckR
Posts: 1305 - Karma: 5,854
Honestly I've been riding the same cheap-ass squires for about 2 years now and never had an issue. And I take them everywhere, park, backcountry etc.. I don't get the hate.
Apr 11 2019 11:11AM
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_IRRELEVANT_
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Used a pair of marker sole id squires and they were some of the best bindings ive used. Went 25 + days this year and had zero issues.
Apr 11 2019 11:36AM
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1kewldewd
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DesertStixIt’s cool to hate on “comp skiers” nowadays

That has always been cool
Apr 11 2019 1:52PM
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Rparr
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My jester pros are indestructible. I bought them a long time ago when I didn't know much about bindings, and they were complete overkill. Who the fuck even needs a din up to 18?
Apr 11 2019 2:01PM
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supersquid
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ive noticed that the worm screw with marker bindings can develop play over time (worm screw being what moves the binding on the track). After about two years all of my marker bindings have so much play that I can shake my ski on the lift and feel the boot moving around while clamped in. With other bindings like the tyrolias, sths you have teeth that lock into an opening so this dosent happen. Thats my only complaint, dosent seem to affect performance or release values but if I had the choice im always gonna choose a binding that wont do that. Overall though they make a good binding, I personally just hate this.
Apr 11 2019 2:26PM
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GayWolf420
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imho, with the exception of some like salomon and tyrolia, i really think companies like LOOK, Marker, etc. are really starting to skimp on construction details and quality of parts and just wanna sell neat flashy colorful bindings to people. Ive noticed and experienced some real issues with newer iterations of Pivots and such, not to derail the thread topic
Apr 11 2019 2:56PM
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OhJay
Posts: 334 - Karma: 1,195
Had an issue with Griffons last year (2018 model) where I fell and released in the middle of a tree run. For the next 10-15 mins I kept stepping in my bindings only to release immediately. Heel seemed to snap in place as normal and I’d stomp & shake my ski, but kept releasing soon as Id start skiing, literally. Probably due to not clearing snow/ice 100%, but I believe many others have experienced this and call it phantom step in.

I double checked/adjusted forward pressure and afd after and make sure all interfaces are clear of snow when stepping in. Hasn’t happened again since, but just frustrating that happened towards the end of the day, in some steep trees, in Whistler, where I could have easily gotten another run or two in before closing.

That said, I’m not super hard on my gear and not 100% opposed to Markers again, it’ll just depend on the situation. I.e I went with sth2 for my Bents for easy pow step in. But if that phantom step in BS keeps happening, I’m done w Markers.

**This post was edited on Apr 11th 2019 at 3:27:14pm
Apr 11 2019 3:23PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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How come pivot brakes suck so much? Every time I land switch leaning forward too much, they release a little, catch the snow and get bent. My brothers are so bad he can't carve hard ever without catching his bent brakes. Also it's like impossible to replace just the brake?
Apr 11 2019 3:44PM
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freeskibum82
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ZiggyZagSkzzHow come pivot brakes suck so much? Every time I land switch leaning forward too much, they release a little, catch the snow and get bent. My brothers are so bad he can't carve hard ever without catching his bent brakes. Also it's like impossible to replace just the brake?


bend the brakes back? also, its not impossible but look does not recommend just anyone do it. if you search you can find people who have replaced just the brake. i believe there is even a video because the person was bending older pivot brakes wider
Apr 11 2019 3:46PM
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shin-bang
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ZiggyZagSkzzHow come pivot brakes suck so much? Every time I land switch leaning forward too much, they release a little, catch the snow and get bent. My brothers are so bad he can't carve hard ever without catching his bent brakes. Also it's like impossible to replace just the brake?


check your forward pressure and perhaps tighten it a turn or so if you are familiar with it. If not familiar, dont touch it and take it to da shop.

even though my tabs lined up my brakes were doing this as well. tightened them each a turn and i no longer have the brakes sagging when i lean forward.

if you know, you know

as the other dude mentioned, you can replace just the brake but its a total hassle. Or, you can buy new turntables with brakes but theyre like 80-100$ each. with each alternative you have to unscrew the heel piece from the ski. each time you take it off it can weaken the screw retention especially if youre doing it more than once or twice.

if im in the park sth2/attacks are nice because you can swap the brakes in 15 seconds. if im on my directionals, pivot 18/155.

**This post was edited on Apr 11th 2019 at 4:21:32pm
Apr 11 2019 4:20PM
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CalumSKI
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Marker isnt terrible I just think that people are hating cause the squire
In my experiance I have never broken a binding beyond fixing and that includes marker
Some of their bindings are really good like the barons, the f12s or even the griffons
Apr 11 2019 4:21PM
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shin-bang
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CalumSKIMarker isnt terrible I just think that people are hating cause the squire
In my experiance I have never broken a binding beyond fixing and that includes marker
Some of their bindings are really good like the barons, the f12s or even the griffons


f12s are literally squires on a frame.... even for lightweights i would never recommend.

i spend a lot of time on barons when i was younger, they just became rickety and would definitely suggest guardian or Adrenalin over them.
Apr 11 2019 4:26PM
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sickjukes87
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I know a lot of guys with pivots and they all got destroyed within weeks of them owning them
Jul 11 2020 12:36PM
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patskis22
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Im STH for life now. yeah its a little heavy yeah its not "cool" but my brakes never break and when I click in its the most satisfying feeling. fuck eating shit and rearranging your pivot heel in place, going to put the ski on and the heel rotates again. na bruh
Jul 11 2020 5:42PM
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Jon_McMurry
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I used to ride markers and they're good but looks are just a better design imo. Both have similar price points too, but the biggest thing to me is how many heel pieces are you going to take to the ass, and markers are at the right angle to get ya if you land backseat lol
Jul 11 2020 6:51PM
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shin-bang
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patskis22Im STH for life now. yeah its a little heavy yeah its not "cool" but my brakes never break and when I click in its the most satisfying feeling. fuck eating shit and rearranging your pivot heel in place, going to put the ski on and the heel rotates again. na bruh


This is true.

Literally the only problem I’ve had with sth2s is that they destroy my heel lugs :(
Jul 11 2020 9:14PM
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hoodratz47
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Besides having a break with a pair of maker frees. No issues. I have also broke two pivots back when I hit park harder
Jul 11 2020 10:32PM
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CatdickBojangles
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I’m a pivot guy. Picked up some jester pros on a trade and I can’t really complain except the toe piece chews my boots up. Not hardly a mark on them from the pivots but they jesters just chew them up. And it’s not an adjustment issue I’ve had them checked.
Jul 12 2020 12:03AM
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Bushdid9_11
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Rocked the same set of griffins for 7 years over 5 different pairs of skis before blowing them up messing up a switch landing. I loved the fuckin things and I just bought another pair for my park skis. Got Pivot 18's on my other skis so hopeully I'll get a good comparison in this year.
Jul 12 2020 2:42AM
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LukeTheWaffle
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Alot of lil kids get squires aswell because they're cheap as hell, but they're one of the worst freestyle bindings out there
Jul 12 2020 5:45AM
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benharrington_
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It may just be me, but I have seen a lot of riders at X games especially blow out runs on STH bindings (halfpipe especially).
Jul 12 2020 5:46AM
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